KnicksFE wrote:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245949/Rival-Execs-Phil-Jackson-Harming-Carmelo-Anthonys-Trade-Value

Executives of other NBA teams have been baffled by the way Phil Jackson has spoken publicly about the status of Carmelo Anthony with the New York Knicks.

With Anthony possessing a no-trade clause, Jackson has appeared to antagonize him into leaving the Knicks via trade.

“Phil made a statement basically that Carmelo’s a losing type of player. Well, if he’s a loser for the Knicks, he’s going to be a winner someplace else? That obviously didn’t help,” one Eastern Conference executive said.

“Tremendously,” another exec said when asked how much Jackson may have damaged Anthony’s trade value. “He essentially said, ‘I want to dump this guy.’ ”

Jackson spoke in negative terms about Anthony at the end of the regular season and again at the combine.

“Most owners would just roast you if you said something like that,” the Eastern exec said, theorizing the return for Anthony could be a protected first-round pick.

The Los Angeles Clippers, Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics have most been mentioned as possible trade partners for Anthony.

“People have done their homework and watched Carmelo and how he interacts and plays,” the first Eastern exec said. “Carmelo obviously needs a change of scenery, probably does a better job in a different city, but you’ve got to look at how he would fit. But I don’t think people are going to break the bank and give New York what they initially want.

“Carmelo can fit in with anybody with the right role. Hell, he’s a talented guy. Not many guys can score like him, but he’s not the All-Star he was. He’s a very talented player and if he goes to the right team and they tell him what role they’d like him to play, he could figure it out. … He has to accept, ‘OK, I’m not going to be the star, but I can play off a couple guys.’ ”

The good ole unnamed sources.....it's just media stirring shyt up is all. Probably Frank AssHola has something to do with it.

Can someone tell me how he spoke in negative terms about Melo at the combine cause i never heard him say anything negative about him at the combine?? He said he thinks Melo needs to go to a place that's gonna win and that's not in New York. Pleased tell me what he said that was negative?? The guy just says the truth which isn't done in sports these days like it's some unwritten rule or some shyt.

Bonn1997 wrote:How could it not hurt his trade value?

He didn't have much trade value before Phil said anything because of his age, his contract and the way he's a offense only ISO player.

fishmike wrote:who are these quotes from? knicks1248?

You wish

Just understand, Melo in a role on a very very good team will will be very good for him. If he is traded to Spurs, you think he won't succeed? He will, but not as a major cog on a team in transition. That is us and its not working. So I wish melo great success in the future but lets understand his trade value was never high, and anything in return is better than the Zero we would have recieved if we let him walk three years ago. Phil tried. And I suppose in his way Melo tried and did the best he could. Melo has to go to a team that he will not be top dog for him to win.

Brother Charley to the rescue......
https://www.fanragsports.com/nba/knicks/rosen-phil-jackson-not-hurting-carmelo-anthonys-trade-value/

The MELO-drama continues.

Just the other day, several identified versions of an “Eastern Conference executive,” “another executive,” “opposing talent evaluator,” and “a veteran scout” gave their otherwise anonymous opinions on Phil Jackson’s decision to trade Carmelo Anthony.

The essence of what they all said: During his recent presser, Jackson denigrated Anthony’s game to the point of severely undercutting Melo’s trade value.

However, Jackson’s all-too-true evaluation of Anthony’s ball-stopping game doesn’t mean the Knicks are conducting a fire sale.

That’s because Melo’s positives and negatives are no secret around the league:

Give him the ball, and he can create (and make) shots from the low post to a few feet past the 3-point line.
He has lost his youthful hops, but he’s still strong enough to finish in a crowd.
Passing is not his forte.
He’s an okay rebounder.
He SOMETIMES plays hard on defense, but too often fails to make necessary rotations in order to save his energy for offense.
His defensive transitions are occasionally, not consistently, performed with care.
He’s popular with his teammates and never complains or (except for his recently exposed dalliance with a woman other than his wife) embarrasses himself in public.
All things considered, one “exec” claims that, instead of exchanging Melo for a “core” player, the best the Knicks could do would be to receive “a protected first-round pick.”

The “scout” says that Melo should play hardball by giving Jackson a list of acceptable teams, and that if no deal can be reached with the teams Anthony has selected, he should force the Knicks to buy him out and make him a free agent.

I respectfully (and sometimes disrespectfully) disagree with many of these views.

If Melo is wise enough to realize that at age 33, he’s no longer a full-time starting player, there’s a significant market for him.

Just consider how much Joe Johnson helped the Utah Jazz last season as a strictly iso-oriented go-to player off the bench.

It’s incontrovertible that Melo would be much better in that role than JJ.

Melo would absolutely flourish in a similar situation with a number of championship-contending teams. He’d be a good fit with the Spurs, L.A. Clippers, Wizards, Celtics, Raptors, Rockets, Grizzlies, Thunder, and even the Cavs.

So, then, rather than having to deal Melo for a pie-in-the-sky draft choice or a batch of bench players, expect Jackson to pull off a blockbuster deal sometime between the end of the season and the draft.

Perhaps all of the anonymous sources are employed by teams which share an active interest in obtaining Anthony, and therefore a common agenda: to somehow put pressure on Jackson to accept a lesser return from their own teams.

But fear not, Knicks fans.

Carmelo Anthony is still a highly-valued commodity and will certainly bring a plus-plus package when he is indeed traded.

EnySpree wrote:Melo turning 33 hurts his trade value... case closed.

When teams are deciding if or what they want to offer for Melo what are the factors? What Melo does on the court? Or what Phil Jackson says? I mean the suggestions here are beyond stupid.

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Melo turning 33 hurts his trade value... case closed.

and for being the #four hundred and whatever worse defender in the league, and for posting career lows in various stats... we can do this all day.

When teams are deciding if or what they want to offer for Melo what are the factors? What Melo does on the court? Or what Phil Jackson says? I mean the suggestions here are beyond stupid.

It is both, this how the Knicks ended up with both Noah and Rose, it was not their on court production for sure. Somebody must have sold those players really good and the Knicks took the bait.

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Melo turning 33 hurts his trade value... case closed.

and for being the #four hundred and whatever worse defender in the league, and for posting career lows in various stats... we can do this all day.

When teams are deciding if or what they want to offer for Melo what are the factors? What Melo does on the court? Or what Phil Jackson says? I mean the suggestions here are beyond stupid.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Melo turning 33 hurts his trade value... case closed.

and for being the #four hundred and whatever worse defender in the league, and for posting career lows in various stats... we can do this all day.

When teams are deciding if or what they want to offer for Melo what are the factors? What Melo does on the court? Or what Phil Jackson says? I mean the suggestions here are beyond stupid.

When deciding whether they want Melo, they'll look at what Melo does on the court.
When deciding what to offer for Melo, they'll try to figure out how much Phil will demand in a trade and make sure they don't offer anything more. This is where what Phil says matters.

Exactly, this is how GMs like D. Ainge ended up trading his veterans for lottery picks to help his rebuild, meanwhile the Knicks, who knows what.