The team they have now took 5 years to make... their star player Gordon Hayward was drafted in 2010. He just became a 20pt per game score a few seasons ago. Derrick Favors was drafted the same year as Hayward and looked Like a star buy has recently succumbed to injuries. They have had plenty of good draft picks and bad ones. Injuries have really plagued them... but they finally made it back to the playoffs.

The Knicks were just in the playoffs 4 years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Phil is not the reason thet started losing... They lost 36 games the year after they won 54 games with basically the same core intact. Phil has led us the last 3 years. We've gutted the roster and slowly we have built some youth with More to come. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

Point being... you have to let this thing build up into something real. The ground work is there. We are about 2 years away from hopefully our own playoff run. Maybe sooner. Enjoy the ride mother****er

EnySpree wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/

The team they have now took 5 years to make... their star player Gordon Hayward was drafted in 2010. He just became a 20pt per game score a few seasons ago. Derrick Favors was drafted the same year as Hayward and looked Like a star buy has recently succumbed to injuries. They have had plenty of good draft picks and bad ones. Injuries have really plagued them... but they finally made it back to the playoffs.

The Knicks were just in the playoffs 4 years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Phil is not the reason thet started losing... They lost 36 games the year after they won 54 games with basically the same core intact. Phil has led us the last 3 years. We've gutted the roster and slowly we have built some youth with More to come. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

Point being... you have to let this thing build up into something real. The ground work is there. We are about 2 years away from hopefully our own playoff run. Maybe sooner. Enjoy the ride mother****er

CrushAlot wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/

The team they have now took 5 years to make... their star player Gordon Hayward was drafted in 2010. He just became a 20pt per game score a few seasons ago. Derrick Favors was drafted the same year as Hayward and looked Like a star buy has recently succumbed to injuries. They have had plenty of good draft picks and bad ones. Injuries have really plagued them... but they finally made it back to the playoffs.

The Knicks were just in the playoffs 4 years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Phil is not the reason thet started losing... They lost 36 games the year after they won 54 games with basically the same core intact. Phil has led us the last 3 years. We've gutted the roster and slowly we have built some youth with More to come. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

Point being... you have to let this thing build up into something real. The ground work is there. We are about 2 years away from hopefully our own playoff run. Maybe sooner. Enjoy the ride mother****er

Unfortunately most Knicks fans will never really buy in. If KP doesn't lead us to the playoffs in the next year or 2, and doesn't make a significant jump in production, the trade talk will continue to increase and Knicks fans will be asking for a new direction. I would love it to be true though, and we stay patient with a plan.

I think Knick fans will buy in but I also think the team ends up going in a new direction in 2 years if Phil retires.

why? what do base this on?

CrushAlot wrote:^^^i hope you are right. I wish the Knicks had a former spur exec running things like the Jazz.

Why? Just because they are a former Spur exec doesn't automatically mean the Knicks are in good hands.... I mean seriously just "an exec". Anyone? Any names or it doesn't matter?

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/San-Antonio-Spurs/26/staff-members

Here's the full list of Spur executives... print it out and throw a dart at it. Maybe just eat it and whatever you **** out that's legible wins the job.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/

The team they have now took 5 years to make... their star player Gordon Hayward was drafted in 2010. He just became a 20pt per game score a few seasons ago. Derrick Favors was drafted the same year as Hayward and looked Like a star buy has recently succumbed to injuries. They have had plenty of good draft picks and bad ones. Injuries have really plagued them... but they finally made it back to the playoffs.

The Knicks were just in the playoffs 4 years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Phil is not the reason thet started losing... They lost 36 games the year after they won 54 games with basically the same core intact. Phil has led us the last 3 years. We've gutted the roster and slowly we have built some youth with More to come. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

Point being... you have to let this thing build up into something real. The ground work is there. We are about 2 years away from hopefully our own playoff run. Maybe sooner. Enjoy the ride mother****er

Unfortunately most Knicks fans will never really buy in. If KP doesn't lead us to the playoffs in the next year or 2, and doesn't make a significant jump in production, the trade talk will continue to increase and Knicks fans will be asking for a new direction. I would love it to be true though, and we stay patient with a plan.

I think Knick fans will buy in but I also think the team ends up going in a new direction in 2 years if Phil retires.

why? what do base this on?

I don't think the focus will be on the triangle as the system. Is Rambis the only triangle guy left other than Phil from the guys Phil brought in?
Also, I have heard speculation that Dolan might chase Ujiri who's contract expires when Phil's does.

JESUS! How long will we refuse to acknowledge that the Triangle as run by Jeff Hornacek has been modernized with Early Offense, SPREAD PnR and more 3's. All this has been asked for by Phil and APPROVED of by Phil!!!

“I let Jeff do what he wanted to do — an agreement to try to blend what we call whatever that flow, fastbreak, early shooting offense into something formatted,’’ Jackson said. “We kind of let it roll until things didn’t roll well before we [said it] looks like we need some more fundamentals, more function towards the end of a game. They showed at the end of season they started being able to do some of that.’’

“I like the backbone of what we have,’’ Jackson added later in the session. “You can see what we’ve got. Guys like Ron [Baker] and Chasson [Randle] and Willy Hernangomez, and the kids we’re bringing into this organization have a certain sense of how to play in the structure, the way we want to play.

“I think we’re moving in that direction. It’s not fast enough, obviously to carry the day, but I think we’re going to get there.’’

What fans should expect to see out of the Knicks next season: “Playing hard like we played the last five, six games. Guys getting up into people, playing hard, pick up full court at times. You know, ball movement, activity instead of standing. Those type of things. That’s what they’re going to see more of.’’

Right before the buzzer sounded to game 4 of their second round sweep to golden state... every fan was up giving a standing ovation to their team for playing so hard as for Golden states victory.... that's class!!! That's gratitude. Very powerful stuff that knick fans know nothing about. I'm sure their fans appreciate their opponent and can't wait to see their guys get out there next year a better team. That's where we need to be as a fan base. Only good things can reciprocate from that attitude.

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/

The team they have now took 5 years to make... their star player Gordon Hayward was drafted in 2010. He just became a 20pt per game score a few seasons ago. Derrick Favors was drafted the same year as Hayward and looked Like a star buy has recently succumbed to injuries. They have had plenty of good draft picks and bad ones. Injuries have really plagued them... but they finally made it back to the playoffs.

The Knicks were just in the playoffs 4 years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Phil is not the reason thet started losing... They lost 36 games the year after they won 54 games with basically the same core intact. Phil has led us the last 3 years. We've gutted the roster and slowly we have built some youth with More to come. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

Point being... you have to let this thing build up into something real. The ground work is there. We are about 2 years away from hopefully our own playoff run. Maybe sooner. Enjoy the ride mother****er

OK but we're not 4 years into Phil's rebuilding. We're 1 year into his fourth rebuild.

But that's not funny nor does it make any sense. Just more negativity. The truth is Phil is on the sane path. He gutted and tanked for KP... then in 2 years with kp he tried to get Melo help while still getting younger. Phil had been combing Europe and finding serviceable players to play for us. That's all one plan, one rebuild. Not everything is going to work but the method has been the same. Expect more of it... ask the good things we habe going on will only improve going forward as long as we stay consistent

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/

The team they have now took 5 years to make... their star player Gordon Hayward was drafted in 2010. He just became a 20pt per game score a few seasons ago. Derrick Favors was drafted the same year as Hayward and looked Like a star buy has recently succumbed to injuries. They have had plenty of good draft picks and bad ones. Injuries have really plagued them... but they finally made it back to the playoffs.

The Knicks were just in the playoffs 4 years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Phil is not the reason thet started losing... They lost 36 games the year after they won 54 games with basically the same core intact. Phil has led us the last 3 years. We've gutted the roster and slowly we have built some youth with More to come. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

Point being... you have to let this thing build up into something real. The ground work is there. We are about 2 years away from hopefully our own playoff run. Maybe sooner. Enjoy the ride mother****er

What bad draft picks have the Jazz made? Even their worst pick might be merely average.

So that's all you want to talk about? Just looking for something to argue about? Yes the Jazz have drafted players that didn't work out. It's typical that a passing comment would get a response.

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/

The team they have now took 5 years to make... their star player Gordon Hayward was drafted in 2010. He just became a 20pt per game score a few seasons ago. Derrick Favors was drafted the same year as Hayward and looked Like a star buy has recently succumbed to injuries. They have had plenty of good draft picks and bad ones. Injuries have really plagued them... but they finally made it back to the playoffs.

The Knicks were just in the playoffs 4 years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Phil is not the reason thet started losing... They lost 36 games the year after they won 54 games with basically the same core intact. Phil has led us the last 3 years. We've gutted the roster and slowly we have built some youth with More to come. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

Point being... you have to let this thing build up into something real. The ground work is there. We are about 2 years away from hopefully our own playoff run. Maybe sooner. Enjoy the ride mother****er

OK but we're not 4 years into Phil's rebuilding. We're 1 year into his fourth rebuild.

But that's not funny nor does it make any sense. Just more negativity. The truth is Phil is on the sane path. He gutted and tanked for KP... then in 2 years with kp he tried to get Melo help while still getting younger. Phil had been combing Europe and finding serviceable players to play for us. That's all one plan, one rebuild. Not everything is going to work but the method has been the same. Expect more of it... ask the good things we habe going on will only improve going forward as long as we stay consistent

More of the same? That means almost all our cap space will be used on guys like Rose, Melo, and Noah? The idea that that was part of a rebuilding plan doesn't pass the laugh test - at least not if it's a sensible rebuilding plan.

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/

The team they have now took 5 years to make... their star player Gordon Hayward was drafted in 2010. He just became a 20pt per game score a few seasons ago. Derrick Favors was drafted the same year as Hayward and looked Like a star buy has recently succumbed to injuries. They have had plenty of good draft picks and bad ones. Injuries have really plagued them... but they finally made it back to the playoffs.

The Knicks were just in the playoffs 4 years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Phil is not the reason thet started losing... They lost 36 games the year after they won 54 games with basically the same core intact. Phil has led us the last 3 years. We've gutted the roster and slowly we have built some youth with More to come. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

Point being... you have to let this thing build up into something real. The ground work is there. We are about 2 years away from hopefully our own playoff run. Maybe sooner. Enjoy the ride mother****er

What bad draft picks have the Jazz made? Even their worst pick might be merely average.

So that's all you want to talk about? Just looking for something to argue about? Yes the Jazz have drafted players that didn't work out. It's typical that a passing comment would get a response.

Yeah because I disagree with the essence of your post. We're not nearly as competent as the Jazz have demonstrated to be. They've had a seasoned front office that has had a winning culture for more than two decades. We're a franchise that has changed our front office every 3-4 years, with the most recent iteration headed by a complete neophyte that has consistently made an ass out of himself, save for the Porzingis pick....which was probably made by an infrastructure that preceded him (we've been good at drafting international players since Gallo in 2008). There is no comparison between them and us.