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EnySpree
Posts: 44917 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
4/26/2017 5:25 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:fishmike wrote:not sure its the smart thing. I think KOQ is a nice player, took a step forward and will have some value to several teams. No doubt he can fetch a late #1. Lee is on a longer bigger deal and is exactly the kind of vet we want to keep. Moves the ball, plays defense, can shoot.. Lee IMO is a keeper. Unless he's said I want out I am not looking to deal him. Especially if we draft a young guard I Lee around. 35 more years 🤥 Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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EnySpree
Posts: 44917 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
4/26/2017 5:26 PM
A rebuild is not about just getting younger. You need vets to blend in. Someone has to set the example. Lee and KOQ are good vets to have around
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
4/26/2017 5:30 PM
EnySpree wrote:A rebuild is not about just getting younger. You need vets to blend in. Someone has to set the example. Lee and KOQ are good vets to have around KOQ has one year on his contract and how many Vets do you need? Noah, Lance, and Sasha are enough. Also, just go get a cheaper vet to set the example. |
EnySpree
Posts: 44917 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
4/26/2017 5:39 PM LAST EDITED: 4/26/2017 6:07 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:EnySpree wrote:A rebuild is not about just getting younger. You need vets to blend in. Someone has to set the example. Lee and KOQ are good vets to have around You need contributing vets... I'm all for trading guys if it makes sense. I'm just saying Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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Uptown
Posts: 30878 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
4/26/2017 5:40 PM LAST EDITED: 4/26/2017 5:42 PM
yellowboy90 wrote: Couldn't agree more...If we are in a true rebuild, why not trade a chip to get an additional 1st rounder in a deep draft? Lee is expendable to me, he's a nice piece on a winning team. We already have enough vets on this team moving forward: Noah (he ain't going nowhere for a while) and Lance. However, I do not believe we are in a true rebuild. I feel like phil will continue with one foot on the rebuild side and the other on trying to win now side. Generally, this isn't a good strategy but its the one I believe phil will follow.... |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
4/26/2017 6:05 PM
I can see the Knicks making that kind of move. It really will depend on other teams looking for affordable vet depth. Teams will be calling to probe what they can get from the Knicks including perhaps having the Knicks be a 3rd team in a deal.
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PhilinLA
Posts: 24941 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/12/2004 Member: #696 |
4/26/2017 6:45 PM
It's a great draft, and it would be nice to get two extra ones. One from a Melo trade and the other from a Lee move that could include KOQ.
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fishmike
Posts: 53028 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
4/26/2017 7:00 PM
EnySpree wrote:Sasha isnt the guy. Lee has played well and is a still a good player. If someone reaches out and makes a great offer OK, but Im not looking to move him just because.yellowboy90 wrote:EnySpree wrote:A rebuild is not about just getting younger. You need vets to blend in. Someone has to set the example. Lee and KOQ are good vets to have around Noah/Lee/Lance. 3 guys who move the ball and defend and play hard and in the rotation. The other 6-7 guys in the rotation are going to be on rookie deals. Thats about the balance I am looking for. We will see what Phil does "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Paris907
Posts: 21146 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/4/2015 Member: #6099 USA |
4/26/2017 10:00 PM
Lee defensive ratings have taken a significant step back. When he played well, it was appreciated but too infrequent and too passive. I realize he's respected but I'd ship OQuinn (though I love his contract) and Lee for a first and a shot at Justin Jackson or a John Collins.
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franco12
Posts: 33149 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
4/26/2017 10:17 PM
fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:Sasha isnt the guy. Lee has played well and is a still a good player. If someone reaches out and makes a great offer OK, but Im not looking to move him just because.yellowboy90 wrote:EnySpree wrote:A rebuild is not about just getting younger. You need vets to blend in. Someone has to set the example. Lee and KOQ are good vets to have around Don't know how much we can realistically expect from those three in terms of games played- Noah has what - close to 20 games still on his suspension. And he will likely miss games. Same with Lance - he has turned into a brittle player. If I could trade Lee for a pick, I would. Impact on our rebuilding one way or the other will be negligible. |
WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
4/26/2017 11:09 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:EnySpree wrote:A rebuild is not about just getting younger. You need vets to blend in. Someone has to set the example. Lee and KOQ are good vets to have around For what it is worth- 2 years for KOQ...player option final year. If he has a good year next season, I would expect him to opt out. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
4/27/2017 12:36 AM
I would be surprised if Phil didn't try and make some moves to get a pick in what is considered a strong draft. Due to the rules though some of those trades would require that the person be drafted first and then traded.
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mlby1215
Posts: 20314 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/16/2017 Member: #6486 |
4/27/2017 5:50 AM
Contending teams don't have cap room which means we have to take back some contracts as well, not that easy. Furthermore, their picks usually are bad.
I like picks, who wouldn't? but lets win some games and build a winning environment and make KP and Willy happier first. |
TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
4/27/2017 7:09 AM
fishmike wrote:Lee has played well and is a still a good player. If someone reaches out and makes a great offer OK, but Im not looking to move him just because.
This is the "Sean Gilbert" question ( Gilbert was a defensive lineman for the Redskins who held out an entire season, was traded under the old NFL franchise tag like Joey Gallowway, for 2 first round picks to Carolina, who promptly gave him a massive contract, where he busted as a player. Gilbert didn't just suck up two valuable 1st round picks, but a massive amount of cap space. Also his contract size forced him onto the field to justify his signing, instead of possibly playing a more productive player who did have to justify his contract. It's like setting resources on fire. Lee does a lot of things functionally, but nothing well and nothing elite. Even with the cap going up, would a team rather draft a Justin Jackson type of player or a PJ Dozier or even a Harry Giles depending on where he falls and take in a FA signing rather than take in Lee? I'd say Yes. Zinger, Hernangomez and, to some degree, O'Quinn, have trade value. The rest of the roster? Eh, I don't know. I think it's important to weigh out the entire market and then assess if the Knicks deal in place would be their best option out of all their potential choices. Under that standard, most of the Knicks players just don't have much, if any, trade value. Once Jackson hit the salary floor, he didn't have to spend more money than that. But he did. I recognize a value contract like a Dwayne Dedmon is not going to sign with the Knicks. But it's better to not sign anyone than to do a Noah deal, or IMHO a Lee deal. |
knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
4/27/2017 8:35 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:EnySpree wrote:A rebuild is not about just getting younger. You need vets to blend in. Someone has to set the example. Lee and KOQ are good vets to have around sasha isn't on the roster, he's a FA, Lance is officially injury prone, and what good is Noah in a suit. All 3 had little to no impact at all. ES
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