knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: When NY media tell us our players suck.
Fans: Yeah! They suck! Phil Phailed!!

When NY media tell us our players good (After they are gone).
Fans: Yeah! They good! Phil Phailed!!

I mean, are we humans or robots? We are totally played into the hand of NY media.

I am even not sure some of us are honest. Sure, it is understandable that fans don't want to see Melo gone, but is it too far? Melo is a good player, and actually I am happy that now he will have a chance to prove himself elsewhere. Why some so us are so angry to paint everything negative? A NBA team wanted to build a vet team to "win now" but failed, so they choose to go another direction and trade the alpha star and start over. It is just as plain as sky. No dysfunction, no lack of direction, no circus.

Trading away the aged alpha star is always hugely unpopular. Melo once said he wanted to play until 40. Sure he would think he wanted to be here until 40. And it doesn't look like he wanted to be a role player like Vince Carter. He wanted to be Kobe, okay? It would mean 200mil/5year kind of max contract and farewell tour or something.

I mean, please. If it is what he wants, then I'd rather want him gone. I like him, but I love knicks more.

This is not about melo, check the other 1900 threads about him. This thread is simply about players phil traded away that are playing quite well in systems that complement their skills.

Phil has handicap his own options by limiting his search for players that fit his system (which clearly are not many who are available). Out of all the players he traded, has their been any talk of them not fitting into their current system. Have you heard the words REBELLION, RESISTANCE. I mean these words only come out of phil's mouth every year he has been here

Have you heard or read that the president of the CAVs, hawks, wizards, celtics, pacers, Bulls, stop practice to show players how to play in the coach's system, i mean the president's system.

To be honest, there isn't one single team in the league (with the exception of the knicks) where the system they play in, is the HEART OF THE PROBLEM.

Phil Doesn't make BOSS moves, he make head scratching moves. He's getting paind like a BOSS, but he's acting like an assistant coach or one foot in the GYM, one foot in the office. Why you think RILEY left that TITLE alone.

PHIL was suppose to come in here like the WOLF (FROM PULP FICTION) I solve problems, but he's made matter worse

Phil is trying to do EXACTLY what San Antonio has set up. Establish a system, find players that fit. All of the rest you put up is just fluff man.

To me, Celtics are doing the same and succeeding at it, the Knicks have not.

That would be fine if phil was 50 yrs old, just getting his feet wet... and please with the spurs talk..Duncan spent 99% of his career in the playoffs, with a HOST of veteran players, they always surround their young players around solid vets WINING, not a revolving door and a reset button every season, trashing their star players, not resigning players you traded for, and playing through 3 coaches in 2 seasoNs.

SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE LOWERED THE BAR TO PRACTICALLY NOTHING OF THIS FRANCHISE. Your system is so IMMUNE to such failure, drama and dysfunction, that your only cry for help is, PLEASE DON"T TRADE OUR DRAFT PICKS even if we suck with the same PICKS.

THE KNICKS are an utter embarrassment, at this state, and theirs not a single drop of proof that it's getting better..Their is no swag heavy , suave, smoothing talking Exec leading this change. We are not that fortunate. If you don't think Phil has made his job that much tougher, or anybody associated with the roster and assembling it, your fkng nuts

What does Phil's age have to do with it? Phil never said he was going to be here forever. He said he was brought in to build a foundation for the franchise and he's still building that.

The Media and a lot of fans are preoccupied with the W/L record and not the ultimate goal of building a Title Contender. Just being able to win games isn't the ultimate goal!!! Phil wants a long term foundation of a system that will lead to sustainable winning. This is exactly what the Spurs have. We should all want that.

What does Phil stand for that is wrong? Unselfish Team Ball! Max Effort on Defense! Ball and Player Movement! These are winning principles and he's building towards that. If you watched the team you could see the beginnings of this when the younger players got more time.

contradictive statements.

So you are under the impression that phil is going to build a contender in his last 2 yrs..wow talk about being super duper optimistic

You keep trying to put words in people's mouths!!! I didn't say Phil was going to build a contender in 2 years! I said he wants to build a FOUNDATION that can lead to a contender. You do that by having legitimate Winning Principles.

No one can refute the Principles that Phil stands for. His building up the Farm System is also part of it. He now has his coaches in place and is in sync with Jeff. The Media is trying to put a wedge in between Phil and Jeff but it won't work. The way the team closed the season was on a positive note on the court.

The ugly part is the Phil and Melo thing, which pulled in KP! IMO KP will come around to see Phil was right. KP will get over his feelings about Melo. KP will mature and gain understanding.

Moving forward, Milwaukee is good and getting better with playoffs experience. Imagine them adding just one quality player to their mix.
Washington has a solid backcourt core that can get by with a mediocre frontcourt. Imagine them adding an all star forward.
Boston is positioned with yoots and a coach they have decided to grow with. They are one elite player away from being dangerous. It's tradition in the rafters.
Toronto "we The North" is a blatant rip off of "Who Dat" but their roster is gaining valuable playoffs experience and the Caribbean Festival is soon come.

and Philly's yoots will be a year wiser.

Our beloved Knicks have a frustrated Latvian and his running buddy, Willy Hermangomez, who are undecided about committing to Phil. The lottery is no place anyone wants to be.

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/the-weirdest-most-regrettable-knicks-sightings-in-nba-playoffs/

further proof that if you won't playing like he wants you to, regardless of your talent and skills, you better of playing SOME WHERE ELES.

So if KD, or Curry, or Labron, came in and rebel against the TRIANGLE, he wouldn't think twice of trading them away. He would rather have a guy like baker and Randle, who embrace the triangle (for contract purposes) than a much more talented player who is not for the shanannings triangle.

Melo is about to be 33 years old dude stop crying. If he was 27-28 it would be different... the Knicks are in a different path. Get over it already.

Melo is not in the playoffs, unfortunately for him, he's still on a knicks team run by a dick, but im so sure if he's traded, he will be in the finals next yr..

Where's Tyson? Quincy? Bargs? Dalembert? Galloway? Ledo? Amare? Prigioni? Shved? Melo?

So you started a thread to show how half the guys Phil traded away are now in the playoffs.. in a league where half the teams go to the playoffs. Genius! You could be POTUS!

I agree with you that this is a non issue but why list a bunch of players cut or not resigned. Only Tyson and Prigs were traded I believe and Prigs was in the playoffs for Houston and LAC before he retired.

Because "EVERY PLAYER" Phil has traded away is not flourishing as the genius topic starter suggests. Many are sitting home doing nothing. Looking at guys like JR and Shump playing well next to Labrun while playing under stupid contracts is just another dumb thread. 16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs... so if you have high turnover the math says about half the guys still in the league are going to be in the playoffs. Yawn.

Can't believe fat little Marc Berman will get a response out of me. Here goes, while "Every" player is a bit of a stretch. The thread speaks to Phil's ability to evaluate talent. "Worthless" talent more so. He felt Shump, Smith were worthless, yet they are important parts of a Ring. He felt THJ was worthless, yet he has been a big part of a turnaround as a starter for Atlanta. He felt Rolo and Grant were worthless as he traded them for expiring contracts. Yet they have played well in the playoff series with Boston. Rolo was key in first two wins. Yes, the guy that a cripple Noah could replace. And if not for Rondo getting hurt, they may have contributed to a big 1st seed upset. Point is, not every player is flourashing but think a couple of misses is enough to think he was somewhat hasty in letting them go for nothing. And you have to question if you want this type of decision making guiding us in a rebuild.

Once again.....Right now we have a possible franchise player that is not willing to meet with his Prez. One who still needs to bulk up in order to play the position he was designed to play. But lets say he does, which I hope, will he want to stay with Phil in 2019? Not exactly a check mark on Phil's side. But who else do we have to support the great job he has done? A bunch of D league or back up role players, at best. Players that can be replaced, in a NY minute, by even the worst front office guy in the league. No one on this team besides KP is a playoff starting caliber player. Nor do they have the potential to be. Even KP would be questionable as he needs to prove he can guard a position. So going into our fourth year, Phil has done what exactly? 2 possible future starting type players? Sure, everyone can throw out its Melo's fault, its a rebuild, we have KP. That does not change his overall performance, the current roster nor the current status of the team. All that are poor at best. And all everyone has to defend him is "It will take 3 to 5 years? Great so in three more years he will have another 2 more possible starters? Will we still have the 2 we have now?

The question for me that keeps me in the "Anti" Phil crowd, is.. Has he made all his decisions based on the ability to prove that the Triangle is the best system? Just trying to prove his critics wrong that winnig a chip was just not due to having some of the best players of all time. Or has he chosen the best talent available and worked to get the most out of his players and coaches? For me, he is clearly on a crusade to prove its all about his system. Regardless of how he leaves the Knicks.

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/the-weirdest-most-regrettable-knicks-sightings-in-nba-playoffs/

further proof that if you won't playing like he wants you to, regardless of your talent and skills, you better of playing SOME WHERE ELES.

So if KD, or Curry, or Labron, came in and rebel against the TRIANGLE, he wouldn't think twice of trading them away. He would rather have a guy like baker and Randle, who embrace the triangle (for contract purposes) than a much more talented player who is not for the shanannings triangle.

Melo is about to be 33 years old dude stop crying. If he was 27-28 it would be different... the Knicks are in a different path. Get over it already.

Melo is not in the playoffs, unfortunately for him, he's still on a knicks team run by a dick, but im so sure if he's traded, he will be in the finals next yr..

Where's Tyson? Quincy? Bargs? Dalembert? Galloway? Ledo? Amare? Prigioni? Shved? Melo?

So you started a thread to show how half the guys Phil traded away are now in the playoffs.. in a league where half the teams go to the playoffs. Genius! You could be POTUS!

I agree with you that this is a non issue but why list a bunch of players cut or not resigned. Only Tyson and Prigs were traded I believe and Prigs was in the playoffs for Houston and LAC before he retired.

Because "EVERY PLAYER" Phil has traded away is not flourishing as the genius topic starter suggests. Many are sitting home doing nothing. Looking at guys like JR and Shump playing well next to Labrun while playing under stupid contracts is just another dumb thread. 16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs... so if you have high turnover the math says about half the guys still in the league are going to be in the playoffs. Yawn.

Can't believe fat little Marc Berman will get a response out of me. Here goes, while "Every" player is a bit of a stretch. The thread speaks to Phil's ability to evaluate talent. "Worthless" talent more so. He felt Shump, Smith were worthless, yet they are important parts of a Ring. He felt THJ was worthless, yet he has been a big part of a turnaround as a starter for Atlanta. He felt Rolo and Grant were worthless as he traded them for expiring contracts. Yet they have played well in the playoff series with Boston. Rolo was key in first two wins. Yes, the guy that a cripple Noah could replace. And if not for Rondo getting hurt, they may have contributed to a big 1st seed upset. Point is, not every player is flourashing but think a couple of misses is enough to think he was somewhat hasty in letting them go for nothing. And you have to question if you want this type of decision making guiding us in a rebuild.

Once again.....Right now we have a possible franchise player that is not willing to meet with his Prez. One who still needs to bulk up in order to play the position he was designed to play. But lets say he does, which I hope, will he want to stay with Phil in 2019? Not exactly a check mark on Phil's side. But who else do we have to support the great job he has done? A bunch of D league or back up role players, at best. Players that can be replaced, in a NY minute, by even the worst front office guy in the league. No one on this team besides KP is a playoff starting caliber player. Nor do they have the potential to be. Even KP would be questionable as he needs to prove he can guard a position. So going into our fourth year, Phil has done what exactly? 2 possible future starting type players? Sure, everyone can throw out its Melo's fault, its a rebuild, we have KP. That does not change his overall performance, the current roster nor the current status of the team. All that are poor at best. And all everyone has to defend him is "It will take 3 to 5 years? Great so in three more years he will have another 2 more possible starters? Will we still have the 2 we have now?

The question for me that keeps me in the "Anti" Phil crowd, is.. Has he made all his decisions based on the ability to prove that the Triangle is the best system? Just trying to prove his critics wrong that it was due to having some of the best players of all time. Or has he chosen the best talent available and worked to get the most out of his players and coaches? For me, he is clearly on a crusade to prove its all about his system. Regardless of how he leaves the Knicks.

trading a guy doesnt equate to "worthless" and more than trading for a guy doesnt equate to "savior."

THJ has emerged. When traded he was a 37% SG that showed no effort on defense. He was traded for another position of need. Please.
Rolo and Grant were traded for Rose. Another position of need.
Tyson has been wonderful for the Suns. Oh and perhaps you forget he and Melo were not compatible.
Did you want Shump/JR here for their current contracts? Both guys had huge attitude issues and were due to get paid. Pass for me.

So after 3 years what has Phil done exactly? Not much besides remain flexible and draft KP.
There will be players added via the draft.
There will be a Melo trade
There will be cap space

I dont know what the offseason yields but I can acknowledge the Knicks are in a position to have a big one. Your verbiage is equal parts dramatic and exasperated. Why say Phil thinks every player he trades is worthless? Its like talking about boy bands with 13 year old girls. Take a look at what is happening without your poop colored glasses. Phil has failed to bring in players (or resign) that have met his requirements or expectations. That is all on him. All he's accomplished is keep the roster flexible enough to continue to make big changes. We will see if they work this time.

I dont know why you cant accept that some are more patient than you or see things slightly different without viewing those views as totally extreme and opposite which they simply are not.

The reality is the Knicks were a 30 win team with nothing from Melo and a lousy season from Rose. Both of those player are likely replaced with younger players with skill sets targeted to fit with the current cast.

The reality is the Knicks could very easily bounce back energized by some young legs who defend and share the ball as well as other players returning healthy.

Or it could be more of the same, but if its the above than after 3 rough years the Knicks would have a young team balanced by some vets that play system ball and defend like it matters. We will see.

I keep hearing that we are going to replace melo with young legs (how many 1st rnd picks do we have this yr), and all these young players we are gearing up for, but not one of you can figure out where exactly are these young players.

30 mill in cap space the last 2 off season that produce trash, but you seem super confident that this time phil will get it right, although his IMAGE and this franchise has taken a really really BAD PR hit this yr.

If we finish next season the same as the last 2, will you still have as much faith in phil?

Another question is if we never go above 35 wins at the end of phils contract, but we have 30 mill in cap space, would you re-up with phil?

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Do The Math

Moving forward, Milwaukee is good and getting better with playoffs experience. Imagine them adding just one quality player to their mix.
Washington has a solid backcourt core that can get by with a mediocre frontcourt. Imagine them adding an all star forward.
Boston is positioned with yoots and a coach they have decided to grow with. They are one elite player away from being dangerous. It's tradition in the rafters.
Toronto "we The North" is a blatant rip off of "Who Dat" but their roster is gaining valuable playoffs experience and the Caribbean Festival is soon come.

and Philly's yoots will be a year wiser.

Our beloved Knicks have a frustrated Latvian and his running buddy, Willy Hermangomez, who are undecided about committing to Phil. The lottery is no place anyone wants to be.

All those teams endured some stretch of losing that enabled them to build a core of talent before becoming good. Its not about wanting or not wanting to be in the lottery. Its about taking advantage when you are.

They also had a GM that identified great targets in trades. Middleton, Lowry, & Thomas.

Again.. not defending what Phil has done here, only saying he has remained flexible.

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Do The Math

Moving forward, Milwaukee is good and getting better with playoffs experience. Imagine them adding just one quality player to their mix.
Washington has a solid backcourt core that can get by with a mediocre frontcourt. Imagine them adding an all star forward.
Boston is positioned with yoots and a coach they have decided to grow with. They are one elite player away from being dangerous. It's tradition in the rafters.
Toronto "we The North" is a blatant rip off of "Who Dat" but their roster is gaining valuable playoffs experience and the Caribbean Festival is soon come.

and Philly's yoots will be a year wiser.

Our beloved Knicks have a frustrated Latvian and his running buddy, Willy Hermangomez, who are undecided about committing to Phil. The lottery is no place anyone wants to be.

All those teams endured some stretch of losing that enabled them to build a core of talent before becoming good. Its not about wanting or not wanting to be in the lottery. Its about taking advantage when you are.

They also had a GM that identified great targets in trades. Middleton, Lowry, & Thomas.

you think Phil can net a player like that when he trades Melo? Thats the task right? I mean Phil admitted point blank that he phucked up not taking Crowder. People cry he's got no accountability when he's clearly admitted his mistakes.

Again.. not defending what Phil has done here, only saying he has remained flexible.

That flexibility is more important than they want to admit. Phil will be able to take advantage of opportunities if they arise. Like Phil said there are going to be some unhappy teams after this Playoff Season. That leads to roster changes and the Knicks will be ready to get involved.

But if he has shown that every trade he's made was a disaster, why the hell should I believe he is going to hit the next one out the park. Is that like prey for best but expect the worse.

if melo says, im going to stop holding the ball for now on, would you believe him and re-sign him

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Do The Math

Moving forward, Milwaukee is good and getting better with playoffs experience. Imagine them adding just one quality player to their mix.
Washington has a solid backcourt core that can get by with a mediocre frontcourt. Imagine them adding an all star forward.
Boston is positioned with yoots and a coach they have decided to grow with. They are one elite player away from being dangerous. It's tradition in the rafters.
Toronto "we The North" is a blatant rip off of "Who Dat" but their roster is gaining valuable playoffs experience and the Caribbean Festival is soon come.

and Philly's yoots will be a year wiser.

Our beloved Knicks have a frustrated Latvian and his running buddy, Willy Hermangomez, who are undecided about committing to Phil. The lottery is no place anyone wants to be.

All those teams endured some stretch of losing that enabled them to build a core of talent before becoming good. Its not about wanting or not wanting to be in the lottery. Its about taking advantage when you are.

They also had a GM that identified great targets in trades. Middleton, Lowry, & Thomas.

you think Phil can net a player like that when he trades Melo? Thats the task right? I mean Phil admitted point blank that he phucked up not taking Crowder. People cry he's got no accountability when he's clearly admitted his mistakes.

Again.. not defending what Phil has done here, only saying he has remained flexible.

I highly doubt it because I haven't seen Phil recognize that kind of talent yet. I also think Melo will try to get to his next destination without blowing up that team. The other factor is the lack of talent at the places we think Melo might want to play at.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Do The Math

Moving forward, Milwaukee is good and getting better with playoffs experience. Imagine them adding just one quality player to their mix.
Washington has a solid backcourt core that can get by with a mediocre frontcourt. Imagine them adding an all star forward.
Boston is positioned with yoots and a coach they have decided to grow with. They are one elite player away from being dangerous. It's tradition in the rafters.
Toronto "we The North" is a blatant rip off of "Who Dat" but their roster is gaining valuable playoffs experience and the Caribbean Festival is soon come.

and Philly's yoots will be a year wiser.

Our beloved Knicks have a frustrated Latvian and his running buddy, Willy Hermangomez, who are undecided about committing to Phil. The lottery is no place anyone wants to be.

All those teams endured some stretch of losing that enabled them to build a core of talent before becoming good. Its not about wanting or not wanting to be in the lottery. Its about taking advantage when you are.

They also had a GM that identified great targets in trades. Middleton, Lowry, & Thomas.

you think Phil can net a player like that when he trades Melo? Thats the task right? I mean Phil admitted point blank that he phucked up not taking Crowder. People cry he's got no accountability when he's clearly admitted his mistakes.

Again.. not defending what Phil has done here, only saying he has remained flexible.

That flexibility is more important than they want to admit. Phil will be able to take advantage of opportunities if they arise. Like Phil said there are going to be some unhappy teams after this Playoff Season. That leads to roster changes and the Knicks will be ready to get involved.

But if he has shown that every trade he's made was a disaster, why the hell should I believe he is going to hit the next one out the park. Is that like prey for best but expect the worse.

if melo says, im going to stop holding the ball for now on, would you believe him and re-sign him

Hit it out the park is a subjective assessment. Depends on your personal view. I do believe that there will be trade Opportunities for the Knicks that could be beneficial to the team. The degree to which The Knicks can get a good return is going to be mitigated by a lot of factors. Melo's salary being the biggest factor.

Melo holds the cards, and phil is desperate to get rid of him, that is the recipe of a one sided trade. You think Melo would help phil out, would you, If someone's was damaging your brand an image. He's 32 and pretty one dimensional not many favorable options for him.

Winning is the only way you keep the players you (top 5) draft. This is a different ERA..The old school way is not going to work.

You can only build through the draft if you have accumulated multiple picks, which we don't have the assets to do so, they are currently on their respective teams in the playoffs.

You can't say your building through the draft with one 1st round pick, lets be real about this. You can't have a young team without a Leader or a PG. Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, IRving, that's the style of Basketball being played.

It's like you're still using a flip phone..traditional, old fashion wont work. GOOD trade is the KEY

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: When NY media tell us our players suck.
Fans: Yeah! They suck! Phil Phailed!!

When NY media tell us our players good (After they are gone).
Fans: Yeah! They good! Phil Phailed!!

I mean, are we humans or robots? We are totally played into the hand of NY media.

I am even not sure some of us are honest. Sure, it is understandable that fans don't want to see Melo gone, but is it too far? Melo is a good player, and actually I am happy that now he will have a chance to prove himself elsewhere. Why some so us are so angry to paint everything negative? A NBA team wanted to build a vet team to "win now" but failed, so they choose to go another direction and trade the alpha star and start over. It is just as plain as sky. No dysfunction, no lack of direction, no circus.

Trading away the aged alpha star is always hugely unpopular. Melo once said he wanted to play until 40. Sure he would think he wanted to be here until 40. And it doesn't look like he wanted to be a role player like Vince Carter. He wanted to be Kobe, okay? It would mean 200mil/5year kind of max contract and farewell tour or something.

I mean, please. If it is what he wants, then I'd rather want him gone. I like him, but I love knicks more.

This is not about melo, check the other 1900 threads about him. This thread is simply about players phil traded away that are playing quite well in systems that complement their skills.

Phil has handicap his own options by limiting his search for players that fit his system (which clearly are not many who are available). Out of all the players he traded, has their been any talk of them not fitting into their current system. Have you heard the words REBELLION, RESISTANCE. I mean these words only come out of phil's mouth every year he has been here

Have you heard or read that the president of the CAVs, hawks, wizards, celtics, pacers, Bulls, stop practice to show players how to play in the coach's system, i mean the president's system.

To be honest, there isn't one single team in the league (with the exception of the knicks) where the system they play in, is the HEART OF THE PROBLEM.

Phil Doesn't make BOSS moves, he make head scratching moves. He's getting paind like a BOSS, but he's acting like an assistant coach or one foot in the GYM, one foot in the office. Why you think RILEY left that TITLE alone.

PHIL was suppose to come in here like the WOLF (FROM PULP FICTION) I solve problems, but he's made matter worse

Phil is trying to do EXACTLY what San Antonio has set up. Establish a system, find players that fit. All of the rest you put up is just fluff man.

To me, Celtics are doing the same and succeeding at it, the Knicks have not.

That would be fine if phil was 50 yrs old, just getting his feet wet... and please with the spurs talk..Duncan spent 99% of his career in the playoffs, with a HOST of veteran players, they always surround their young players around solid vets WINING, not a revolving door and a reset button every season, trashing their star players, not resigning players you traded for, and playing through 3 coaches in 2 seasoNs.

SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE LOWERED THE BAR TO PRACTICALLY NOTHING OF THIS FRANCHISE. Your system is so IMMUNE to such failure, drama and dysfunction, that your only cry for help is, PLEASE DON"T TRADE OUR DRAFT PICKS even if we suck with the same PICKS.

THE KNICKS are an utter embarrassment, at this state, and theirs not a single drop of proof that it's getting better..Their is no swag heavy , suave, smoothing talking Exec leading this change. We are not that fortunate. If you don't think Phil has made his job that much tougher, or anybody associated with the roster and assembling it, your fkng nuts

What does Phil's age have to do with it? Phil never said he was going to be here forever. He said he was brought in to build a foundation for the franchise and he's still building that.

The Media and a lot of fans are preoccupied with the W/L record and not the ultimate goal of building a Title Contender. Just being able to win games isn't the ultimate goal!!! Phil wants a long term foundation of a system that will lead to sustainable winning. This is exactly what the Spurs have. We should all want that.

What does Phil stand for that is wrong? Unselfish Team Ball! Max Effort on Defense! Ball and Player Movement! These are winning principles and he's building towards that. If you watched the team you could see the beginnings of this when the younger players got more time.

Yep common sense if he leaves having a core of youth to add to I will be happy. Why people expected this team to be great or rebuilt with no draft picks makes zero sense to me. If you thought this was a fast turnaround thats your problem. However I do think his moves last year set the team back another season if not longer. We never should of given up assets for Rose the fact we gave up 2 assets for an expiring contract was god awful, that should of been a straight salary dump for the Bulls.He compounded it by adding another center who is finished and absolutely useless for 18 million a year. Maybe he was trying to appease Melo I dont , I do know it was really bad decision making. At 12 million and 27 years old Rolo was a great piece, we could of gotten a much better return for him than nothing.

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Do The Math

Moving forward, Milwaukee is good and getting better with playoffs experience. Imagine them adding just one quality player to their mix.
Washington has a solid backcourt core that can get by with a mediocre frontcourt. Imagine them adding an all star forward.
Boston is positioned with yoots and a coach they have decided to grow with. They are one elite player away from being dangerous. It's tradition in the rafters.
Toronto "we The North" is a blatant rip off of "Who Dat" but their roster is gaining valuable playoffs experience and the Caribbean Festival is soon come.

and Philly's yoots will be a year wiser.

Our beloved Knicks have a frustrated Latvian and his running buddy, Willy Hermangomez, who are undecided about committing to Phil. The lottery is no place anyone wants to be.

All those teams endured some stretch of losing that enabled them to build a core of talent before becoming good. Its not about wanting or not wanting to be in the lottery. Its about taking advantage when you are.

Raptors were in the lottery 5 straight years before turning it around. To bad Walsh was to stupid to pick Derozan or we would have an All NBA player right now. Thats the difference between being good, and forever stuck in this. Im sorry it may take 2 or 3 more lottery picks after this year to get a player to build around. The Sixers have been in the lottery 5 straight years already. Washington 5 straight years, see a pattern

But keep melo on this current roster and we are a 30 win team, so why isn't phil looking at adding instead of subtracting. your not building around melo, your adding talent to the roster