knicks1248 wrote:Also Phil stated I WILL NOT TRADE MELO WITHOUT A BONA FIDE STATER/SCORER, so there's no way in hell he is going to get that and young players with upside and draft picks.. Who do think he's trading Kareem in his prime

Actually nobody said any of that... Phil said he wanted a significant player that could fill in for 34 minutes thay Melo played. He didn't say nor did any of us say that we're going to get a bona fide scorer, a young player with upsidd and a draft pick..... That's you saying that just push what you are saying.

When NY media tell us our players good (After they are gone).
Fans: Yeah! They good! Phil Phailed!!

I mean, are we humans or robots? We are totally played into the hand of NY media.

I am even not sure some of us are honest. Sure, it is understandable that fans don't want to see Melo gone, but is it too far? Melo is a good player, and actually I am happy that now he will have a chance to prove himself elsewhere. Why some so us are so angry to paint everything negative? A NBA team wanted to build a vet team to "win now" but failed, so they choose to go another direction and trade the alpha star and start over. It is just as plain as sky. No dysfunction, no lack of direction, no circus.

Trading away the aged alpha star is always hugely unpopular. Melo once said he wanted to play until 40. Sure he would think he wanted to be here until 40. And it doesn't look like he wanted to be a role player like Vince Carter. He wanted to be Kobe, okay? It would mean 200mil/5year kind of max contract and farewell tour or something.

I mean, please. If it is what he wants, then I'd rather want him gone. I like him, but I love knicks more.

knicks1248 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: When NY media tell us our players suck.
Fans: Yeah! They suck! Phil Phailed!!

When NY media tell us our players good (After they are gone).
Fans: Yeah! They good! Phil Phailed!!

I mean, are we humans or robots? We are totally played into the hand of NY media.

I am even not sure some of us are honest. Sure, it is understandable that fans don't want to see Melo gone, but is it too far? Melo is a good player, and actually I am happy that now he will have a chance to prove himself elsewhere. Why some so us are so angry to paint everything negative? A NBA team wanted to build a vet team to "win now" but failed, so they choose to go another direction and trade the alpha star and start over. It is just as plain as sky. No dysfunction, no lack of direction, no circus.

Trading away the aged alpha star is always hugely unpopular. Melo once said he wanted to play until 40. Sure he would think he wanted to be here until 40. And it doesn't look like he wanted to be a role player like Vince Carter. He wanted to be Kobe, okay? It would mean 200mil/5year kind of max contract and farewell tour or something.

I mean, please. If it is what he wants, then I'd rather want him gone. I like him, but I love knicks more.

This is not about melo, check the other 1900 threads about him. This thread is simply about players phil traded away that are playing quite well in systems that complement their skills.

Phil has handicap his own options by limiting his search for players that fit his system (which clearly are not many who are available). Out of all the players he traded, has their been any talk of them not fitting into their current system. Have you heard the words REBELLION, RESISTANCE. I mean these words only come out of phil's mouth every year he has been here

Have you heard or read that the president of the CAVs, hawks, wizards, celtics, pacers, Bulls, stop practice to show players how to play in the coach's system, i mean the president's system.

To be honest, there isn't one single team in the league (with the exception of the knicks) where the system they play in, is the HEART OF THE PROBLEM.

Phil Doesn't make BOSS moves, he make head scratching moves. He's getting paind like a BOSS, but he's acting like an assistant coach or one foot in the GYM, one foot in the office. Why you think RILEY left that TITLE alone.

PHIL was suppose to come in here like the WOLF (FROM PULP FICTION) I solve problems, but he's made matter worse

Phil is trying to do EXACTLY what San Antonio has set up. Establish a system, find players that fit. All of the rest you put up is just fluff man.

To me, Celtics are doing the same and succeeding at it, the Knicks have not.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: When NY media tell us our players suck.
Fans: Yeah! They suck! Phil Phailed!!

When NY media tell us our players good (After they are gone).
Fans: Yeah! They good! Phil Phailed!!

I mean, are we humans or robots? We are totally played into the hand of NY media.

I am even not sure some of us are honest. Sure, it is understandable that fans don't want to see Melo gone, but is it too far? Melo is a good player, and actually I am happy that now he will have a chance to prove himself elsewhere. Why some so us are so angry to paint everything negative? A NBA team wanted to build a vet team to "win now" but failed, so they choose to go another direction and trade the alpha star and start over. It is just as plain as sky. No dysfunction, no lack of direction, no circus.

Trading away the aged alpha star is always hugely unpopular. Melo once said he wanted to play until 40. Sure he would think he wanted to be here until 40. And it doesn't look like he wanted to be a role player like Vince Carter. He wanted to be Kobe, okay? It would mean 200mil/5year kind of max contract and farewell tour or something.

I mean, please. If it is what he wants, then I'd rather want him gone. I like him, but I love knicks more.

This is not about melo, check the other 1900 threads about him. This thread is simply about players phil traded away that are playing quite well in systems that complement their skills.

Phil has handicap his own options by limiting his search for players that fit his system (which clearly are not many who are available). Out of all the players he traded, has their been any talk of them not fitting into their current system. Have you heard the words REBELLION, RESISTANCE. I mean these words only come out of phil's mouth every year he has been here

Have you heard or read that the president of the CAVs, hawks, wizards, celtics, pacers, Bulls, stop practice to show players how to play in the coach's system, i mean the president's system.

To be honest, there isn't one single team in the league (with the exception of the knicks) where the system they play in, is the HEART OF THE PROBLEM.

Phil Doesn't make BOSS moves, he make head scratching moves. He's getting paind like a BOSS, but he's acting like an assistant coach or one foot in the GYM, one foot in the office. Why you think RILEY left that TITLE alone.

PHIL was suppose to come in here like the WOLF (FROM PULP FICTION) I solve problems, but he's made matter worse

Phil is trying to do EXACTLY what San Antonio has set up. Establish a system, find players that fit. All of the rest you put up is just fluff man.

To me, Celtics are doing the same and succeeding at it, the Knicks have not.

That would be fine if phil was 50 yrs old, just getting his feet wet... and please with the spurs talk..Duncan spent 99% of his career in the playoffs, with a HOST of veteran players, they always surround their young players around solid vets WINING, not a revolving door and a reset button every season, trashing their star players, not resigning players you traded for, and playing through 3 coaches in 2 seasoNs.

SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE LOWERED THE BAR TO PRACTICALLY NOTHING OF THIS FRANCHISE. Your system is so IMMUNE to such failure, drama and dysfunction, that your only cry for help is, PLEASE DON"T TRADE OUR DRAFT PICKS even if we suck with the same PICKS.

THE KNICKS are an utter embarrassment, at this state, and theirs not a single drop of proof that it's getting better..Their is no swag heavy , suave, smoothing talking Exec leading this change. We are not that fortunate. If you don't think Phil has made his job that much tougher, or anybody associated with the roster and assembling it, your fkng nuts

franco12 wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:huh? just because those players are contributing elsewhere in the playoffs does not mean that they were a good fit for NYC climate both sports climate and weather...um remember fluson chandler?

remember the red carpet calderon had laid out for drives to the basket by opposing guards.

how about arron "i am kobe" afflalo

fair point - but I wonder if any player is suited to NYC.

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/the-weirdest-most-regrettable-knicks-sightings-in-nba-playoffs/

further proof that if you won't playing like he wants you to, regardless of your talent and skills, you better of playing SOME WHERE ELES.

So if KD, or Curry, or Labron, came in and rebel against the TRIANGLE, he wouldn't think twice of trading them away. He would rather have a guy like baker and Randle, who embrace the triangle (for contract purposes) than a much more talented player who is not for the shanannings triangle.

Melo is about to be 33 years old dude stop crying. If he was 27-28 it would be different... the Knicks are in a different path. Get over it already.

Melo is not in the playoffs, unfortunately for him, he's still on a knicks team run by a dick, but im so sure if he's traded, he will be in the finals next yr..

Sorry too say but alot of knick fans are dicks. Melo is a huge part as to why we are a lottery team this year. He's not a leader and he could never be the man on a playoff tean without alpha males surrounding him. If and when he gets traded he's going to go to teams that are already playoff veteran teams. He's going to make them better because he doesn't have to do anything but score. A healthy Celtic or clipper team with Melo goes to the conference finals next year... a healthy bulls team with Melo might go to the finals. If he stays on the Knicks with us rebuilding he's leading us to the lottery again.

MY god, maybe the first post I agree with you on, But with that said, why didn't phil put together that kind or roster, instead of below avg players hoping melo would make them better, like that's been his reputation.

It's like MDA trading for a 34 yr old shaq, Like where would he fit in that offense

With what resources would he acquire these players? In am still waiting for someone to answer what players Phil should have signed with our cap space.

And it was Steve Kerr that traded for Shaw. Kerr didn't feel MDAs style was championship basketball. Which is y MDA quit or was fired?

Ain't this ironic

From interviews Ive seen with Kerr, it was D'Antoni's unwillingness to put more of a focus on defense that led them to part company. He didn't have a problem with the offense. What Kerr did at GS bears that out. They were not only the top team on offense, they were on defense as well.

One thing I noticed in the playoffs was MDA talking about defense. No, its not the first time he's done that. But bringing it up when he did during the interview, showed someone who was taking it more seriously. MDA was willing to have a defensive coordinator placed on the staff. That was a point of contention earlier in his career.

Looks like they both learned from each other.

nixluva wrote:MDA's teams in PHX did defend but they also had some horrid defenders mixed in. People forget that MDA and Amare had a big blow up over Amare's defense! MDA's teams were always high point differential. He had small finesse teams in a league with more physical teams and the refs allowed more contact.

Defense was never more than a passing interest for him. Saying otherwise is a monumental act of revisionism.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:MDA's teams in PHX did defend but they also had some horrid defenders mixed in. People forget that MDA and Amare had a big blow up over Amare's defense! MDA's teams were always high point differential. He had small finesse teams in a league with more physical teams and the refs allowed more contact.

Defense was never more than a passing interest for him. Saying otherwise is a monumental act of revisionism.

All I said was that his teams did defend. In the 2005-06 season he played without a 7'er in his rotation! Amare was out. They won 54 and made the WCF's. They finished 16th in Defensive Rating.
They led the league in eFG% 53.7 and allowed teams to shoot an eFG% of 49.0, which was tied for 14th in the league.

Cartman718 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:huh? just because those players are contributing elsewhere in the playoffs does not mean that they were a good fit for NYC climate both sports climate and weather...um remember fluson chandler?

remember the red carpet calderon had laid out for drives to the basket by opposing guards.

how about arron "i am kobe" afflalo

fair point - but I wonder if any player is suited to NYC.

yes the ones who have a great work ethic. not the slowest SF on defense, for example.

If you signed AA to play a kobe Role, that person is a complete idiot

IF you signed Calderon to stop opposing PG's, what in the world where you thinking about

IF you signed DWILL to have a pippin type role, you have lost your mind

If you sign Lee to and expected him to avg 15 to 20 shot attempts a game, you forgot to looking as his 9 yr history

Just poor judgment over and over

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: When NY media tell us our players suck.
Fans: Yeah! They suck! Phil Phailed!!

When NY media tell us our players good (After they are gone).
Fans: Yeah! They good! Phil Phailed!!

I mean, are we humans or robots? We are totally played into the hand of NY media.

I am even not sure some of us are honest. Sure, it is understandable that fans don't want to see Melo gone, but is it too far? Melo is a good player, and actually I am happy that now he will have a chance to prove himself elsewhere. Why some so us are so angry to paint everything negative? A NBA team wanted to build a vet team to "win now" but failed, so they choose to go another direction and trade the alpha star and start over. It is just as plain as sky. No dysfunction, no lack of direction, no circus.

Trading away the aged alpha star is always hugely unpopular. Melo once said he wanted to play until 40. Sure he would think he wanted to be here until 40. And it doesn't look like he wanted to be a role player like Vince Carter. He wanted to be Kobe, okay? It would mean 200mil/5year kind of max contract and farewell tour or something.

I mean, please. If it is what he wants, then I'd rather want him gone. I like him, but I love knicks more.

This is not about melo, check the other 1900 threads about him. This thread is simply about players phil traded away that are playing quite well in systems that complement their skills.

Phil has handicap his own options by limiting his search for players that fit his system (which clearly are not many who are available). Out of all the players he traded, has their been any talk of them not fitting into their current system. Have you heard the words REBELLION, RESISTANCE. I mean these words only come out of phil's mouth every year he has been here

Have you heard or read that the president of the CAVs, hawks, wizards, celtics, pacers, Bulls, stop practice to show players how to play in the coach's system, i mean the president's system.

To be honest, there isn't one single team in the league (with the exception of the knicks) where the system they play in, is the HEART OF THE PROBLEM.

Phil Doesn't make BOSS moves, he make head scratching moves. He's getting paind like a BOSS, but he's acting like an assistant coach or one foot in the GYM, one foot in the office. Why you think RILEY left that TITLE alone.

PHIL was suppose to come in here like the WOLF (FROM PULP FICTION) I solve problems, but he's made matter worse

Phil is trying to do EXACTLY what San Antonio has set up. Establish a system, find players that fit. All of the rest you put up is just fluff man.

To me, Celtics are doing the same and succeeding at it, the Knicks have not.

That would be fine if phil was 50 yrs old, just getting his feet wet... and please with the spurs talk..Duncan spent 99% of his career in the playoffs, with a HOST of veteran players, they always surround their young players around solid vets WINING, not a revolving door and a reset button every season, trashing their star players, not resigning players you traded for, and playing through 3 coaches in 2 seasoNs.

SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE LOWERED THE BAR TO PRACTICALLY NOTHING OF THIS FRANCHISE. Your system is so IMMUNE to such failure, drama and dysfunction, that your only cry for help is, PLEASE DON"T TRADE OUR DRAFT PICKS even if we suck with the same PICKS.

THE KNICKS are an utter embarrassment, at this state, and theirs not a single drop of proof that it's getting better..Their is no swag heavy , suave, smoothing talking Exec leading this change. We are not that fortunate. If you don't think Phil has made his job that much tougher, or anybody associated with the roster and assembling it, your fkng nuts

What does Phil's age have to do with it? Phil never said he was going to be here forever. He said he was brought in to build a foundation for the franchise and he's still building that.

The Media and a lot of fans are preoccupied with the W/L record and not the ultimate goal of building a Title Contender. Just being able to win games isn't the ultimate goal!!! Phil wants a long term foundation of a system that will lead to sustainable winning. This is exactly what the Spurs have. We should all want that.

What does Phil stand for that is wrong? Unselfish Team Ball! Max Effort on Defense! Ball and Player Movement! These are winning principles and he's building towards that. If you watched the team you could see the beginnings of this when the younger players got more time.

contradictive statements.

So you are under the impression that phil is going to build a contender in his last 2 yrs..wow talk about being super duper optimistic