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Okay, Damps is gone. Who can we get with half the MLE?
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BRIGGS
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8/17/2004  10:54 PM
baker has the knicks slightly by the blls. im confident he can get 1.6mm from more than a few clubs--he's likely going to force the knicks hand up to 3+mm a year for 3 years.

Oh and for you shills thinking that keon clark is going to replace a guy like dampier--think again.

knicks should remain patient and dont over pay baker. obviously they may have to pay him more, but they better keep it reasonable. bring in a marcus douthit or another yung big with potential. dont waste time with guys like clark unless baker bails. bringing in baker and clark would be foolish IMHO.
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8/17/2004  11:06 PM
I don't think Isiah is going to overpay Vin. Vin will get a part of the MLE for at least two years. If it is three years then that third year should be optional. Remember Vin WANTS to play for the Knicks while Cleveland was interested in him.
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8/17/2004  11:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Oh and for you shills thinking that keon clark is going to replace a guy like dampier--think again.
Name one person who said that BRIGGS
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8/17/2004  11:30 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Oh and for you shills thinking that keon clark is going to replace a guy like dampier--think again.
Name one person who said that BRIGGS

wow, testy. BRIGGS was just saying that one guys can't fill the shoes of another, not that anyone said one was a replacement for the other.
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8/17/2004  11:31 PM
Anyone else surprised Karl Malone hasn't signed with anyone yet? I wonder if he's contemplating retiring?
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8/17/2004  11:32 PM
Whats wrong with bringing in Klark? The MLE us given every year, so whats the harm of a one year deal. And all you shills talkin bout savin money should just stuff it, it is just irrelevant.
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8/17/2004  11:32 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Oh and for you shills thinking that keon clark is going to replace a guy like dampier--think again.
Name one person who said that BRIGGS

wow, testy. BRIGGS was just saying that one guys can't fill the shoes of another, not that anyone said one was a replacement for the other.
No, I just wanted him to name a person who had said or even thought that because I don't know why he would mention it if no one had ever even thought it. (BTW, I put his name in all caps simply because that's how his name appears on my screen in the far left)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08/17/2004 23:36:45]
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8/17/2004  11:35 PM
Posted by simrud:

Whats wrong with bringing in Klark? The MLE us given every year, so whats the harm of a one year deal. And all you shills talkin bout savin money should just stuff it, it is just irrelevant.
Keon would be an upgrade from a roughly 40 yr old Mutombo. They're both comparably good shot blocks and comparably mediocre at man to man defense. The only big difference is that Keon is a thousand times faster
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8/17/2004  11:55 PM
If we can't get Swift I will gladly split the MLE between Clark and Baker.
BRIGGS
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8/18/2004  12:08 AM
we do have 3 PFs and one C Baker would make it 2 but where is Keon Clark playing?

we could use some more depth i guess but wouldnt it make sense to find a younger guy very cheap? we are NOT winning a championship what exactly doe sbringing in both baker and clark do? someone is going to sit quite a bit.
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8/18/2004  12:14 AM
there are a lot of guys I rather have then Baker. I rather go after blocks and defense and hope that Sweetney developes into our best low-post player. We need Defense more than we need Baker's offense.
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8/18/2004  12:25 AM
i dont want baker either--i dont think its condusive to re-tooling but the knicks want to atleast win 41 -42 games or so and make the playoffs. Maybe we should slightly over pay dan gadzuric--something like 3 years 10mm atleast he represents shot blocking athletiscm and youth. To me Baker should get 1.5mm from the LLE
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8/18/2004  12:30 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we do have 3 PFs and one C Baker would make it 2 but where is Keon Clark playing?

we could use some more depth i guess but wouldnt it make sense to find a younger guy very cheap? we are NOT winning a championship what exactly doe sbringing in both baker and clark do?
Baker becomes the best or 2nd best low post scoring option (depending on how much Sweetney develops) and Keon becomes the team's best shot blocker. Their skills are NOT redundant. You're right; they'll sit at times. Depending on the matchups, against some teams you'll use some players more than you will against other teams.
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8/18/2004  10:11 AM
my options would go in this order:

1 - try to sign Stromile Swift for the full MLE

C - Swift / Nazr
PF - KT / Sweetney / JYD
SF - TT / Penny / Shandon
SG - Houston / Crawford
PG - Marbury / Moochie
IR - Ariza / Barrett

2 - split the MLE on Baker & Rodney White

C - Nazr / Baker
PF - KT / Sweetney / JYD
SF - TT / White / Ariza
SG - Houston / Penny
PG - Marbury / Crawford
IR - Shandon / Moochie

3 - split the MLE on Baker & Gadzuric & trade KT or Nazr for an expiring contract & a pick

C - Nazr or KT / Baker / Gadzuric
PF - Sweetney / JYD
SF - TT / Penny / Shandon
SG - Houston / Crawford
PG - Marbury / Moochie
IR - expiring contract player / Ariza / Barrett

4 - use a portion of the MLE on Baker ($5 mil over 2 seasons max) & use the LLE on Keon Clark & trade KT or Nazr for an expiring contract & a pick

C - Nazr or KT / Baker / Keon
PF - Sweetney / JYD
SF - TT / Penny / Shandon
SG - Houston / Crawford
PG - Marbury / Moochie
IR - expiring contract player / Ariza / Barrett

5 - use a portion of MLE on Baker only

C - Nazr / Baker
PF - KT / Sweetney / JYD
SF - TT / Penny / Shandon
SG - Houston / Crawford
PG - Marbury / Moochie
IR - Ariza / Barrett
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Okay, Damps is gone. Who can we get with half the MLE?

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