JR Smith, Channing Frye, Robin Lopez, Iman Shumpert, Trevor Ariza, Tim Hardaway Jr., Timofey Mozgov are all still productive players.

Kurt Rambis, holdover from the previous head coach, has a questionable standing with his players. Notice a theme here?

Until the Knicks, as a franchise, heal their issues with continuity. leadership and cohesion from the top down - the franchise will be doomed to mediocrity. Period. End of story.

misterearl wrote:Thinking about the number of former Knicks scattered around the NBA, and the unrest with Portzingis deliberately avoiding his post season sit down with Phil Jackson, the dissension is a recurring theme.

JR Smith, Channing Frye, Robin Lopez, Iman Shumpert, Trevor Ariza, Tim Hardaway Jr., Timofey Mozgov are all still productive players.

Kurt Rambis, holdover from the previous head coach, has a questionable standing with his players. Notice a theme here?

Until the Knicks, as a franchise, heal their issues with continuity. leadership and cohesion from the top down - the franchise will be doomed to mediocrity. Period. End of story.

Welcome back Misterearl!!! Oh...agreed!

It's simple logic. The ONLY player left on the roster to actually show some kind of aggravation has been KP and for all we know this was a direct reaction to the Phil and Melo feud. There hasn't been any other legit factors raised that KP has that can really be proven by his statements or his play on the court. Aside from KP, BJ who was let go and obviously Melo we don't have any other players taking any kind of stand in opposition to the Front Office or Coaches. Rose is trying to come back. Everyone else has been silent and for all we know they had their Exit Interviews without any issue.

So really what are we talking about here? A losing season which is going to always cause some level of annoyance and the Melo issue between him and Phil which by extension seems to have ticked off KP who wants Melo to stay. This BS about the Triangle is simply a Media Creation. MOST of the players have adjusted to the Triangle just fine and we saw that with how they played down the stretch. KP said he wanted MORE Triangle and that he likes the Triangle, so why would he not go to his Exit Interview based on the Triangle??? MEDIA BS.

Next season even with new players there will be a substantial returning group and more continuity than this season.

The issue is that, at this point in time, the entire organization is fundamentally dysfunctional and the results on the floor are evidence. Losing 51 games is lottery material and our roster is NOT lottery material. One must look inward, not outward. The responsibility has ZERO to do with the media.

The responsibility lies with the administration.

misterearl wrote:nixluva - as Bill Parcells taught us, "you ARE what your record says you are."

31 wins from a roster with this level of talent is inexcusable. You can blame, or defer to, the media all you want but the results on the floor are what they are and they are by no means satisfactory. Watching the playoffs, and actual TEAMS playing with a collective passion and cohesiveness is very different from what was displayed in The World's Most Famous Arena.

There is no such thing as simple logic and NO ONE here is privy to what the conversation is in the locker room, or more important - on the team plane or over pancakes on the road. The thing is broken. No matter who dresses out in orange and blue - the thing is broken... and it had been broken for years.

The Triangle is a distraction.

There is something wrong with the corporate culture that is in charge of decision-making with regard to the roster and its maintenance. These are people, not spare parts to change out on a hunch. Based on the evidence, there is ZERO guarantee of continuity heading into the 2017-18 season. Whatever drama is manufactured, amplified or mis-represented by the media is a constant. That goes with being on Seventh Avenue and being on Broadway.

Next season is already here and our core player wants to play for Latvia. From many angles, that worries me.

Something is wrong with the patient and it is not getting any better.

Dirk international crier... I think Kristaps will try to do some of it...

Year	Competition	GP	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	PPG
1997	EuroBasket qualification	1	3.0	.000	.000	.000	.0	.0	.0	.0	.0
1999	EuroBasket qualification	3	16.7	.600	.750	1.000	4.0	.3	.3	.0	13.7
1999	EuroBasket	9	31.3	.582	.529	.771	3.4	1.8	.9	.0	15.2
2001	EuroBasket	7	33.9	.516	.426	.714	9.1	1.9	1.3	1.0	28.7
2002*	World Championship	9	31.2	.407	.286	.921	8.2	2.7	1.2	2.0	24.0
2003	EuroBasket	4	34.8	.453	.455	.841	6.2	1.0	1.3	1.8	22.5
2005	EuroBasket qualification	5	32.4	.500	.364	.809	11.6	2.2	1.8	.8	23.6
2005^	EuroBasket	7	36.9	.411	.371	.885	10.6	1.7	1.1	1.9	26.1
2006	World Championship	9	33.6	.434	.286	.823	9.2	2.8	1.0	.6	23.2
2007	EuroBasket	9	33.9	.432	.313	.860	8.7	1.6	.9	.9	24.0
2008	Olympic Games qualification	5	31.2	.500	.435	.922	8.2	2.6	.2	1.0	26.6
2008	Olympic Games	5	28.4	.419	.417	.958	8.4	.6	.2	.0	17.0
2011	EuroBasket	8	29.9	.442	.421	.933	6.6	1.4	.4	.4	19.5
2015	EuroBasket	5	28.0	.364	.333	.857	7.8	1.6	.0	.2	13.8
Career		86	31.4	.452	.379	.855	7.1	1.8	.9	.9	21.5

misterearl wrote:nixluva - please do not confuse, conflate or coagulate the issues. Whether KP (or anyone else) enjoys the triangle or not, is NOT the issue.

The issue is that, at this point in time, the entire organization is fundamentally dysfunctional and the results on the floor are evidence. Losing 51 games is lottery material and our roster is NOT lottery material. One must look inward, not outward. The responsibility has ZERO to do with the media.

The responsibility lies with the administration.

Sorry but Melo and Rose were supposed to be solid vets along with CLee, Noah etc. These guys know by now how to play the right way. If I was coach they should still have been able to come together and play at least .500 ball. This is on the players themselves. This is not about Jeff or Phil. The kids played hard and as a team so clearly they got the message. Why was it so hard for the vets???

Zach Randolph is an all star talent who did not fit the Knicks agenda at the moment. Jamal Crawford is still dishing and swishing. The list is long.

Think of it this way... why is a franchise like San Antonio able to find players to cohere to its way of doing things? Not just on the court, but the Spurs have a playing personality that spells, "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us."

Why is that?

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:These players look great with great players around them. Last time we had great players they were old but still put the team in their backs and willed it to 54 wins. Kidd the ultimate leader which has been lacking for years now. Is it so hard to understand that we have been missing a leader. The teams that the Knicks always put together always lacks this element. No wonder the ones that leave do a little bit better or find success.

THIS!!!

Sorry. Did not realize Kidd was that years team MVP?

misterearl wrote:nixluva - as Bill Parcells taught us, "you ARE what your record says you are."

31 wins from a roster with this level of talent is inexcusable. You can blame, or defer to, the media all you want but the results on the floor are what they are and they are by no means satisfactory. Watching the playoffs, and actual TEAMS playing with a collective passion and cohesiveness is very different from what was displayed in The World's Most Famous Arena.

There is no such thing as simple logic and NO ONE here is privy to what the conversation is in the locker room, or more important - on the team plane or over pancakes on the road. The thing is broken. No matter who dresses out in orange and blue - the thing is broken... and it had been broken for years.

The Triangle is a distraction.

There is something wrong with the corporate culture that is in charge of decision-making with regard to the roster and its maintenance. These are people, not spare parts to change out on a hunch. Based on the evidence, there is ZERO guarantee of continuity heading into the 2017-18 season. Whatever drama is manufactured, amplified or mis-represented by the media is a constant. That goes with being on Seventh Avenue and being on Broadway.

Next season is already here and our core player wants to play for Latvia. From many angles, that worries me.

Something is wrong with the patient and it is not getting any better.

Rambis 2016 before the olympics:

New York Knicks head coach Kurt Rambis believes Kristaps Porzingis may be better off without playing in this summer's Olympics in Rio De Janeiro, according to Marc Berman of the New York Post.

“When I’m talking about playing, I’m talking about here,’” Rambis told reporters on Friday. “Players growing up today, they play too much. A lot of summer can be used to develop strengths and work on aspects of your game. When you play you’re going back to your strengths and instincts. Sometimes playing can be bad and not conducive to player development.”

“If I had my choice, it’s obvious what I want. But I understand commitment to country. From a selfish standpoint, looking at from a purely Knicks standpoint, we want him working with us.”