If you look at the younger players and everyone except for Rose and Melo the team is full of guys that are pretty close to the ideal, but we need more FRONTLINE talent in order to win. That hopefully will be addressed this summer and next.

I don't think Rose will be brought back unless they simply aren't able to get anyone else. Rose doesn't fit the type of player we need. He's not unselfish and he's not a smart player that gives Max Effort either. There's also the cost of what he may want for a contract. I'd say the odds are low that they ring Rose back but not impossible.

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holfresh wrote:He said he thought the players at the end of the year was successful...They played hard defense...He gets sucked in by Admunson, Galloway, Baker, Plumlee and N'Dour trying to stick in the NDA..These guy can't win games...

So I don't get a comment like this. Phil was obviously talking about playing team ball and what that takes. Max effort and moving and passing and defense. And in those terms he found it better.

Winning/not winning, that may be a product of all of those things plus talent.

But he has to recognize who these guys are and why they are playing that way...They are trying to stick...Vets manage their time and minutes of the year..I think KP perfectly illustrates this...last year KP went all out and was flying all over the place..I thought this year, after playing a full season, he tried to manage his time and effort to be fresh over the course of a year..He go injured and didn't work out but vets won't do that game in and game out...Ball movement I get but the defense like that is taxing...

WTF is that mean? The defense like that is taxing?

Max effort and team ball. You don't guy into that, get off the team. I understand playing smartly so as to not get injured but that's not really the point. The point is not taking plays off on one side of the court.

But he has to recognize who these guys are and why they are playing that way...They are trying to stick...Vets manage their time and minutes of the year

I don't get this either? You don't think Phil understand or recognize who these guys are? That they are fighting for jobs? Of course man. They are also playing the right way. Max effort and team ball. Get with the program or get out.

I actually understand what holfresh is trying to get at...just a matter of pacing yourself. There is a tradeoff on the offensive end when you're defending every play like it is the last play of the finals.

Usual time to take a "rest" is on the offensive end, but here is where the Triangle becomes an issue for certain players because you always have to be on the move. Think about how some players stand around on offense waiting for the ball to be kicked out to them for a 3. Not much energy expended.

Then you look at Baker or Sasha and how they are moving on the court. Have to be an elite athlete to play truly tough D and also move around on offense like the Triangle calls for you to do, OR you have to be a 20MPG guy who can go hard because he knows he won't be on the court for 35 minutes each night.

Rose was clearly more concerned with saving his energy for the offensive end...and it showed when he was on D, and this is the reason why Phil will not resign him. Rose is not going to change his game at this point, and Phil must know this.

As many of us speculated, Phil is attempting what might most reasonably be called a "competitive rebuild". Competitive in the sense that he is actively building with youth (he mentioned our three draft picks) and competitive in signing and trading for talent (he mentioned that no one was untouchable).

As is often repeated, "The [this team] could lose as many games without [its star] as with him". I think Phil provided the best explanation of why Melo needs to move on and that is to avoid a legacy of perpetual failure that he will own if he stays. And Phil expects the same teams who would refuse moving a core player at mid-season to be more amenable to it after a playoff failure. And if the league stiffs the Knicks into keeping Melo, Phil gave fair warning that its no longer about Melo.

He also outlined the kind of players he wants to draft - not necessarily the high profile one or two dimensional players but two way, team players. It will be fun to see who the Knicks draft.

Why Isola plays Captain Obvious in his remark about Melo not being the only resistor is dumbfounding. Does he really believe Phil doesn't know that? Moronic tweet.

I get the impression that Phil does respect Rose. But I also think Rose has an uphill battle to get resigned here and that if he does, it will be on Phil's terms and not Rose's. Chances are that Rose coming off the bench as a two guard might be very effective assuming Rose recovers. OTOH, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Yesterday I found Melo's claim that all he wanted was "to win" as bizarre. Why does he think the teammates he has don't want to win? Or the coaches? Or Phil? Or Dolan?
Melo seems to think he's the only one who wants to win and will hold his breath until the Knicks start winning. "I just want to win." No sh@t.

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ok....

Leonard DiCaprio on the Titanic. LMAO.

fwk00 wrote:A very satisfying presser.

As many of us speculated, Phil is attempting what might most reasonably be called a "competitive rebuild". Competitive in the sense that he is actively building with youth (he mentioned our three draft picks) and competitive in signing and trading for talent (he mentioned that no one was untouchable).

As is often repeated, "The [this team] could lose as many games without [its star] as with him". I think Phil provided the best explanation of why Melo needs to move on and that is to avoid a legacy of perpetual failure that he will own if he stays. And Phil expects the same teams who would refuse moving a core player at mid-season to be more amenable to it after a playoff failure. And if the league stiffs the Knicks into keeping Melo, Phil gave fair warning that its no longer about Melo.

He also outlined the kind of players he wants to draft - not necessarily the high profile one or two dimensional players but two way, team players. It will be fun to see who the Knicks draft.

Why Isola plays Captain Obvious in his remark about Melo not being the only resistor is dumbfounding. Does he really believe Phil doesn't know that? Moronic tweet.

I get the impression that Phil does respect Rose. But I also think Rose has an uphill battle to get resigned here and that if he does, it will be on Phil's terms and not Rose's. Chances are that Rose coming off the bench as a two guard might be very effective assuming Rose recovers. OTOH, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Yesterday I found Melo's claim that all he wanted was "to win" as bizarre. Why does he think the teammates he has don't want to win? Or the coaches? Or Phil? Or Dolan?
Melo seems to think he's the only one who wants to win and will hold his breath until the Knicks start winning. "I just want to win." No sh@t.

Yeah, it's all a lot of fun to be able to blame Melo. But the chips will be on the table once he's gone and guys like KP might start paying attention to just how competitive the rebuild is...

Looks like KP is paying attention to Melo right now.

Question is did Phil's performance today make it easier to trade Melo... or harder? Time will tell.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about bringing back Rose.

I don't know if we can get a guy like Jrue Holiday, Teague, or George Hill in FA though.

Don't think Phil wants him back...no way.

He is not even a player that moves well without the ball, so if he is an off guard he will still have to do his normal thing.

If Rose had great court vision I'd put up with his defensive deficiencies, but perimeter D is essential.

He said Rose plays well with Noah...I think he brings Rose back so Noah doesn't die on the vine..

Man you take everything out of context or are not really paying attention. I think the statement was about previous to this year. That those guys had played together and maybe that would help the team and both of them out. It was quite clear to me that Rose is going to be an afterthought going forward.

You know what..I don't have the energy at the moment...We can pick this up later...The Organization is lost with Phil is what I took from that press conference..He has no plan...

Your comments are an anti-Phil monologue that has no plan to end. People like you who twist every word are the reason no one wants to talk to the press anymore. Putting an Orwellian spin on the presser is not even something you're good at. Go get your rest.

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fwk00 wrote:A very satisfying presser.

As many of us speculated, Phil is attempting what might most reasonably be called a "competitive rebuild". Competitive in the sense that he is actively building with youth (he mentioned our three draft picks) and competitive in signing and trading for talent (he mentioned that no one was untouchable).

As is often repeated, "The [this team] could lose as many games without [its star] as with him". I think Phil provided the best explanation of why Melo needs to move on and that is to avoid a legacy of perpetual failure that he will own if he stays. And Phil expects the same teams who would refuse moving a core player at mid-season to be more amenable to it after a playoff failure. And if the league stiffs the Knicks into keeping Melo, Phil gave fair warning that its no longer about Melo.

He also outlined the kind of players he wants to draft - not necessarily the high profile one or two dimensional players but two way, team players. It will be fun to see who the Knicks draft.

Why Isola plays Captain Obvious in his remark about Melo not being the only resistor is dumbfounding. Does he really believe Phil doesn't know that? Moronic tweet.

I get the impression that Phil does respect Rose. But I also think Rose has an uphill battle to get resigned here and that if he does, it will be on Phil's terms and not Rose's. Chances are that Rose coming off the bench as a two guard might be very effective assuming Rose recovers. OTOH, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Yesterday I found Melo's claim that all he wanted was "to win" as bizarre. Why does he think the teammates he has don't want to win? Or the coaches? Or Phil? Or Dolan?
Melo seems to think he's the only one who wants to win and will hold his breath until the Knicks start winning. "I just want to win." No sh@t.

Yeah, it's all a lot of fun to be able to blame Melo. But the chips will be on the table once he's gone and guys like KP might start paying attention to just how competitive the rebuild is...

Looks like KP is paying attention to Melo right now.

Question is did Phil's performance today make it easier to trade Melo... or harder? Time will tell.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about bringing back Rose.

I don't know if we can get a guy like Jrue Holiday, Teague, or George Hill in FA though.

Don't think Phil wants him back...no way.

He is not even a player that moves well without the ball, so if he is an off guard he will still have to do his normal thing.

If Rose had great court vision I'd put up with his defensive deficiencies, but perimeter D is essential.

He said Rose plays well with Noah...I think he brings Rose back so Noah doesn't die on the vine..

I'll go gentleman's bet with you on that.

Think about the contract Rose would want at this point...and after all is said and done he ended the season yet with another leg injury.

Not going to lie...it is amazing how he can take it to the basket at will, and I don't care that he can't shoot well from 3 because his midrange Js are so efficient.

BUT his D is lame- he shows no scrappiness on that end, and you see him missing open looks all the time.

I'll be stunned if Phil offers him the 4y/$100M type contract he will be looking for.

If that is your position then this should concern you...He will be looking for a player to replace Melo..He said he isn't rebuilding like Chicago because they have been doing it since 1999..

He didn't say we wasn't rebuilding like Chicago. What he was saying is that Chicago is a big nmarket and as serious about its basketball as NY and in 20ish years is still looking for the right chemistry. The message being, "It ain't easy."