Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

How about Melo actually stepping up and being a leader commensurate with the kind of money he's making. There's a certain responsibility a player should have when he reaches a certain level and that includes helping to bring his team to a higher level and supporting the head coach. If Melo is insubordinate then the rest of the team will feel it's ok to do the same!!!

IMO Melo was not a positive influence this season and it appears he didn't make things easier for the team to come together or support his coach. We don't need that and Phil is right to want him gone!!!

callmened wrote:these are basically my thoughts exactly

Yes, exactly. Sorry I missed this when Uptown posted it.

This is exactly it though.

This is why Fisher was fired, who was a good coach.

This is why Hornacek will never work here. I said it when Fisher was fired, I said it when Rambis was a candidate, I said it when Rambis was put in charge of the defense, I said it when they went back to the Triangle at the all-star break.

This will never work. The chain of command is whack. Hornacek has been undercut and has no chance here.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

How about Melo actually stepping up and being a leader commensurate with the kind of money he's making. There's a certain responsibility a player should have when he reaches a certain level and that includes helping to bring his team to a higher level and supporting the head coach. If Melo is insubordinate then the rest of the team will feel it's ok to do the same!!!

IMO Melo was not a positive influence this season and it appears he didn't make things easier for the team to come together or support his coach. We don't need that and Phil is right to want him gone!!!

Ones could say the same for Phil. It trickles down from the top like KP said. Phil acts childish and smug so everyone else follows. Phil doesn't show up so why should 2nd be okay to go to LA on a weekend without giving anyone any notice. Phil doesn't care enough to discipline his coach so why would he discipline a player who goes awol.

I think Phil has the right to express displeasure with his players and those players need to shape up! In the Military a leader may say all kinds of things about a soldier and that doesn't give that soldier license to act out in a poor manner. Melo is not free to just do whatever he wants and disrupt the team.

Why is it OK for Melo to dog it on D and not move the ball after years of being told he needs to correct these things??? Phil didn't just say these things for no reason as some want to make it seem. Melo was a bad example to the rest of the team and he needs to go.

Melo's flaws are not OK. But there was already a 10 year history with Melo of at best, inconsistent effort on defense, mostly poor shot selection, and minimal passing. Even in the years where you praise him for getting teammates involved, we're talking maybe 1 more assist and 1 less bad shot a game. He never really learned the difference between a good shot and a bad shot on his own, and no coach or GM ever forced him to learn it either. You could say Phil gave him the contract expecting him to change. That's already a terrible gamble with a 10+ year veteran. But what was the backup plan if it didn't work? Send mixed messages on Twitter with the hope that Melo will waive his NTC? Dolan's paying Phil $60 mil to come up with that plan? But Melo is just one instance of overpaying in almost every signing and trade.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

How about Melo actually stepping up and being a leader commensurate with the kind of money he's making. There's a certain responsibility a player should have when he reaches a certain level and that includes helping to bring his team to a higher level and supporting the head coach. If Melo is insubordinate then the rest of the team will feel it's ok to do the same!!!

IMO Melo was not a positive influence this season and it appears he didn't make things easier for the team to come together or support his coach. We don't need that and Phil is right to want him gone!!!

Ones could say the same for Phil. It trickles down from the top like KP said. Phil acts childish and smug so everyone else follows. Phil doesn't show up so why should 2nd be okay to go to LA on a weekend without giving anyone any notice. Phil doesn't care enough to discipline his coach so why would he discipline a player who goes awol.

I think Phil has the right to express displeasure with his players and those players need to shape up! In the Military a leader may say all kinds of things about a soldier and that doesn't give that soldier license to act out in a poor manner. Melo is not free to just do whatever he wants and disrupt the team.

Why is it OK for Melo to dog it on D and not move the ball after years of being told he needs to correct these things??? Phil didn't just say these things for no reason as some want to make it seem. Melo was a bad example to the rest of the team and he needs to go.

Melo's flaws are not OK. But there was already a 10 year history with Melo of at best, inconsistent effort on defense, mostly poor shot selection, and minimal passing. Even in the years where you praise him for getting teammates involved, we're talking maybe 1 more assist and 1 less bad shot a game. He never really learned the difference between a good shot and a bad shot on his own, and no coach or GM ever forced him to learn it either. You could say Phil gave him the contract expecting him to change. That's already a terrible gamble with a 10+ year veteran. But what was the backup plan if it didn't work? Send mixed messages on Twitter with the hope that Melo will waive his NTC? Dolan's paying Phil $60 mil to come up with that plan? But Melo is just one instance of overpaying in almost every signing and trade.

You are forgetting that Dolan was very okay with resigning Melo at that time, even as a stopgap. You are all assuming Phil *expected* Melo to change. maybe he signed him to give the fans a lollipop until he could build the team his way.

fwk00 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

How about Melo actually stepping up and being a leader commensurate with the kind of money he's making. There's a certain responsibility a player should have when he reaches a certain level and that includes helping to bring his team to a higher level and supporting the head coach. If Melo is insubordinate then the rest of the team will feel it's ok to do the same!!!

IMO Melo was not a positive influence this season and it appears he didn't make things easier for the team to come together or support his coach. We don't need that and Phil is right to want him gone!!!

Ones could say the same for Phil. It trickles down from the top like KP said. Phil acts childish and smug so everyone else follows. Phil doesn't show up so why should 2nd be okay to go to LA on a weekend without giving anyone any notice. Phil doesn't care enough to discipline his coach so why would he discipline a player who goes awol.

I think Phil has the right to express displeasure with his players and those players need to shape up! In the Military a leader may say all kinds of things about a soldier and that doesn't give that soldier license to act out in a poor manner. Melo is not free to just do whatever he wants and disrupt the team.

Why is it OK for Melo to dog it on D and not move the ball after years of being told he needs to correct these things??? Phil didn't just say these things for no reason as some want to make it seem. Melo was a bad example to the rest of the team and he needs to go.

Melo's flaws are not OK. But there was already a 10 year history with Melo of at best, inconsistent effort on defense, mostly poor shot selection, and minimal passing. Even in the years where you praise him for getting teammates involved, we're talking maybe 1 more assist and 1 less bad shot a game. He never really learned the difference between a good shot and a bad shot on his own, and no coach or GM ever forced him to learn it either. You could say Phil gave him the contract expecting him to change. That's already a terrible gamble with a 10+ year veteran. But what was the backup plan if it didn't work? Send mixed messages on Twitter with the hope that Melo will waive his NTC? Dolan's paying Phil $60 mil to come up with that plan? But Melo is just one instance of overpaying in almost every signing and trade.

You are forgetting that Dolan was very okay with resigning Melo at that time, even as a stopgap. You are all assuming Phil *expected* Melo to change. maybe he signed him to give the fans a lollipop until he could build the team his way.

Then he made a major mistake.

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

How about Melo actually stepping up and being a leader commensurate with the kind of money he's making. There's a certain responsibility a player should have when he reaches a certain level and that includes helping to bring his team to a higher level and supporting the head coach. If Melo is insubordinate then the rest of the team will feel it's ok to do the same!!!

IMO Melo was not a positive influence this season and it appears he didn't make things easier for the team to come together or support his coach. We don't need that and Phil is right to want him gone!!!

Ones could say the same for Phil. It trickles down from the top like KP said. Phil acts childish and smug so everyone else follows. Phil doesn't show up so why should 2nd be okay to go to LA on a weekend without giving anyone any notice. Phil doesn't care enough to discipline his coach so why would he discipline a player who goes awol.

I think Phil has the right to express displeasure with his players and those players need to shape up! In the Military a leader may say all kinds of things about a soldier and that doesn't give that soldier license to act out in a poor manner. Melo is not free to just do whatever he wants and disrupt the team.

Why is it OK for Melo to dog it on D and not move the ball after years of being told he needs to correct these things??? Phil didn't just say these things for no reason as some want to make it seem. Melo was a bad example to the rest of the team and he needs to go.

Melo's flaws are not OK. But there was already a 10 year history with Melo of at best, inconsistent effort on defense, mostly poor shot selection, and minimal passing. Even in the years where you praise him for getting teammates involved, we're talking maybe 1 more assist and 1 less bad shot a game. He never really learned the difference between a good shot and a bad shot on his own, and no coach or GM ever forced him to learn it either. You could say Phil gave him the contract expecting him to change. That's already a terrible gamble with a 10+ year veteran. But what was the backup plan if it didn't work? Send mixed messages on Twitter with the hope that Melo will waive his NTC? Dolan's paying Phil $60 mil to come up with that plan? But Melo is just one instance of overpaying in almost every signing and trade.

You are forgetting that Dolan was very okay with resigning Melo at that time, even as a stopgap. You are all assuming Phil *expected* Melo to change. maybe he signed him to give the fans a lollipop until he could build the team his way.

Then he made a major mistake.

Why? They sold tickets. Melo had years to make the playoffs and lure his -cough- "friends" here - yes all those friends who "like" his tweets players. It was Rose and Noah who recruited Lee. Melo recruited NOBODY.

fwk00 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

How about Melo actually stepping up and being a leader commensurate with the kind of money he's making. There's a certain responsibility a player should have when he reaches a certain level and that includes helping to bring his team to a higher level and supporting the head coach. If Melo is insubordinate then the rest of the team will feel it's ok to do the same!!!

IMO Melo was not a positive influence this season and it appears he didn't make things easier for the team to come together or support his coach. We don't need that and Phil is right to want him gone!!!

Ones could say the same for Phil. It trickles down from the top like KP said. Phil acts childish and smug so everyone else follows. Phil doesn't show up so why should 2nd be okay to go to LA on a weekend without giving anyone any notice. Phil doesn't care enough to discipline his coach so why would he discipline a player who goes awol.

I think Phil has the right to express displeasure with his players and those players need to shape up! In the Military a leader may say all kinds of things about a soldier and that doesn't give that soldier license to act out in a poor manner. Melo is not free to just do whatever he wants and disrupt the team.

Why is it OK for Melo to dog it on D and not move the ball after years of being told he needs to correct these things??? Phil didn't just say these things for no reason as some want to make it seem. Melo was a bad example to the rest of the team and he needs to go.

Melo's flaws are not OK. But there was already a 10 year history with Melo of at best, inconsistent effort on defense, mostly poor shot selection, and minimal passing. Even in the years where you praise him for getting teammates involved, we're talking maybe 1 more assist and 1 less bad shot a game. He never really learned the difference between a good shot and a bad shot on his own, and no coach or GM ever forced him to learn it either. You could say Phil gave him the contract expecting him to change. That's already a terrible gamble with a 10+ year veteran. But what was the backup plan if it didn't work? Send mixed messages on Twitter with the hope that Melo will waive his NTC? Dolan's paying Phil $60 mil to come up with that plan? But Melo is just one instance of overpaying in almost every signing and trade.

You are forgetting that Dolan was very okay with resigning Melo at that time, even as a stopgap. You are all assuming Phil *expected* Melo to change. maybe he signed him to give the fans a lollipop until he could build the team his way.

Then he made a major mistake.

Why? They sold tickets. Melo had years to make the playoffs and lure his -cough- "friends" here - yes all those friends who "like" his tweets players. It was Rose and Noah who recruited Lee. Melo recruited NOBODY.

I love that it's Melo's job to recruit players and build a competitive roster. What exactly did Phil get $60M for, again?

Yes, Melo has failed to build a competitive roster and get the team to run the Triangle effectively. The only problem is all that is Phil's job.

When you sign a high usage player to a max contract with a No Trade Clause, you are MARRIED to that player. Phil made that choice. And then tried to build a team in spite of it, instead of in concert with that decision. It is idiocy, clearly has not worked. Melo is now being blamed from everything for not defending (fair), to not building the roster (whaaa?), to not installing the Triangle properly (lol).

Though, of course, the Garden is happy because they sold tickets. This is why we will suck until Dolan goes to that great blues club in the sky.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

I recently heard that that guy had a talk with Melo to reassure him that he went be dumped anywhere and that they would work together to find a contending team to help better his career. Now that's a good G.M. Who wouldn't want a guy like that to talk to a player who he gave a ntc like he doesn't have a ntc.

Mmelo's NTC doesn't trump Phil's "You Don't Play, You Ain't Special Here, Go Be a Prima Donna At the End of the Bench" clause.

Yes who can forgot when Phil benched Melo for not playing the right way. Oh wait he never did that. For starters, because he's not the coach. Which he and you don't seem to understand. And that's one of the major problems with the team. He's an executive. And he sucks at that job. He was a great coach. Not his job here. And his desire to coach still is causing massive problems. He's undercut two coaches now in Fish and Hornacek.

Melo knows damned well by now what Phil and his coaches want from him!!! Why should we accept his BS anymore??? Some fans are willing to take Melo's side cuz they get mesmerized by his scoring and don't seem to realize he doesn't play winning ball and he's not leading the team in the right direction.

Phil is done with Melo's crap and I for one can't wait for Melo to move on!!!

Yes, and in his clumsy ass old man way of doing it, he may have lost KP. Brilliant performance here by Phil. I can see why you're so happy with it. Ron Baker ran through a screen last week, so Phil's rebuild is going great. Thumbs up.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

I recently heard that that guy had a talk with Melo to reassure him that he went be dumped anywhere and that they would work together to find a contending team to help better his career. Now that's a good G.M. Who wouldn't want a guy like that to talk to a player who he gave a ntc like he doesn't have a ntc.

Mmelo's NTC doesn't trump Phil's "You Don't Play, You Ain't Special Here, Go Be a Prima Donna At the End of the Bench" clause.

Yes who can forgot when Phil benched Melo for not playing the right way. Oh wait he never did that. For starters, because he's not the coach. Which he and you don't seem to understand. And that's one of the major problems with the team. He's an executive. And he sucks at that job. He was a great coach. Not his job here. And his desire to coach still is causing massive problems. He's undercut two coaches now in Fish and Hornacek.

Melo knows damned well by now what Phil and his coaches want from him!!! Why should we accept his BS anymore??? Some fans are willing to take Melo's side cuz they get mesmerized by his scoring and don't seem to realize he doesn't play winning ball and he's not leading the team in the right direction.

Phil is done with Melo's crap and I for one can't wait for Melo to move on!!!

Yes, and in his clumsy ass old man way of doing it, he may have lost KP. Brilliant performance here by Phil. I can see why you're so happy with it. Ron Baker ran through a screen last week, so Phil's rebuild is going great. Thumbs up.

Not worried about KP. He's just going thru some feelings right now but in time he'll understand that this is HIS TEAM now and he can't follow Melo's poor example. Hopefully Dirk will talk to him about how to be a REAL LEADER!!!

Phil is RIGHT and unlike Melo he knows what winning is all about and how Melo is failing to live up to what a team leader needs to do on the court. I'm soooo tired of trying to work around Melo's flaws and shortcomings. In time the fan base will see that it was necessary to move on from Melo.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him

Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with

Melo holds the ball
Melo has aged
We haven't won with Melo
We can't build a winner in melo's time frame
Melo needs to be traded
We want team ball
We want players who are skilled and play defense all game
We want unselfish players who play a team game
We need to rebuild

How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.

Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.

I recently heard that that guy had a talk with Melo to reassure him that he went be dumped anywhere and that they would work together to find a contending team to help better his career. Now that's a good G.M. Who wouldn't want a guy like that to talk to a player who he gave a ntc like he doesn't have a ntc.

Mmelo's NTC doesn't trump Phil's "You Don't Play, You Ain't Special Here, Go Be a Prima Donna At the End of the Bench" clause.

Yes who can forgot when Phil benched Melo for not playing the right way. Oh wait he never did that. For starters, because he's not the coach. Which he and you don't seem to understand. And that's one of the major problems with the team. He's an executive. And he sucks at that job. He was a great coach. Not his job here. And his desire to coach still is causing massive problems. He's undercut two coaches now in Fish and Hornacek.

Melo knows damned well by now what Phil and his coaches want from him!!! Why should we accept his BS anymore??? Some fans are willing to take Melo's side cuz they get mesmerized by his scoring and don't seem to realize he doesn't play winning ball and he's not leading the team in the right direction.

Phil is done with Melo's crap and I for one can't wait for Melo to move on!!!

Yes, and in his clumsy ass old man way of doing it, he may have lost KP. Brilliant performance here by Phil. I can see why you're so happy with it. Ron Baker ran through a screen last week, so Phil's rebuild is going great. Thumbs up.

Not worried about KP. He's just going thru some feelings right now but in time he'll understand that this is HIS TEAM now and he can't follow Melo's poor example. Hopefully Dirk will talk to him about how to be a REAL LEADER!!!

Phil is RIGHT and unlike Melo he knows what winning is all about and how Melo is failing to live up to what a team leader needs to do on the court. I'm soooo tired of trying to work around Melo's flaws and shortcomings. In time the fan base will see that it was necessary to move on from Melo.

What you continually fail to understand is that the issue is not moving on from Melo... it's HOW he has done it. It's HOW he has undermined his coaching staff.