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Nalod
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6/13/2017  8:09 AM
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:Durant joined a team that went to two finals and won 73 games. Lebron went to a Miami team that was put together and was not deep.
HE went back to Clev, which was not winning. Trades were necessary.

I don't know they add players very easily. And Riley and his system was already in place. Remember they already had Wade and Haslem and it was a playoff team.

They tanked the year before and were stuck with Beasley. They were awful. The culture of Spo and Riles was a in place. They had Wade. Haslem not so great, but a glue guy. And they had cap space!!!! Not a playoff team at all. Very very different than Durant walking on a team that had gone to finals two years in a row and had a reigning two time MVP.

I'll give GSW credit, its not "Jordan and...." or "Lebron and......", but they are a "Team". They steal the ball and block shots and thats what starts their offense. Super quick team. A bit like what Miami did with Lebron. Shump and JR bought a defensive presence last year but its not enough with the addition of Durant.
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6/13/2017  8:10 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Lebron's still the best player in the game but Durant was sensational. I love the decision Durant made and respect him for caring more about winning than anything else. I also respect how much he doesn't seem to care about criticism fans have of his decision.

Durant's mother was hamming it up good last nite!!! Funny stuff, happy stuff!!! Happy is good!!!
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6/13/2017  8:29 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:Durant was NOT going to be denied again. But most importantly system basketball and team play completely overwhelmed isolation specialists. Almost should have been a sweep.

Yeah, I don't get why some people are complaining about the quality of the league or the games. I thought the Warriors in the playoffs gave us 2 months of beautiful basketball - some of the most enjoyable basketball I've ever seen.
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6/13/2017  1:23 PM
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NumberTwoPencil wrote:Warriors. So, if they win on Sunday . . . greatest basketball team evah or the greatest basketball team of all time? Or just the greatest basketball team. Period.

The Warriors are not one of the greatest teams in the NBA, the Warriors are the best team in the weak water-down NBA. Back in the daze if the TMC Warriors had Barkley on their roster they would be the Warriors of today. They still would have struggled in the playoff vs Magic Johnson Lakers, Rockets Akeem Oylyjuwon, Spurs David Robinson, Jazz Stocton/Malone, and Sonics Gary Payton

That's just like your opinion, man :) They are the winningest team of all time and while the players you mention are all-time greats, the Warriors do some things better than those guys. It's an open question, at least for me. However, if they go on winning, maybe rack up another title or two, the Warriors will be right there with the greatest teams. Amazingly enough, they are clearly a little better than any recent team.
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6/13/2017  1:52 PM
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Kemet wrote:
NumberTwoPencil wrote:Warriors. So, if they win on Sunday . . . greatest basketball team evah or the greatest basketball team of all time? Or just the greatest basketball team. Period.

The Warriors are not one of the greatest teams in the NBA, the Warriors are the best team in the weak water-down NBA. Back in the daze if the TMC Warriors had Barkley on their roster they would be the Warriors of today. They still would have struggled in the playoff vs Magic Johnson Lakers, Rockets Akeem Oylyjuwon, Spurs David Robinson, Jazz Stocton/Malone, and Sonics Gary Payton

That's just like your opinion, man :) They are the winningest team of all time and while the players you mention are all-time greats, the Warriors do some things better than those guys. It's an open question, at least for me. However, if they go on winning, maybe rack up another title or two, the Warriors will be right there with the greatest teams. Amazingly enough, they are clearly a little better than any recent team.


People are just longing for the past IMO. Twenty years from now they'll be talking about how the Warriors were so much better than all the current champions!
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6/13/2017  9:39 PM
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Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...
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6/14/2017  5:56 AM
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...


KD took the same idea LeBron had to a newer level.
I don't think that Warriors team would have beaten Cleveland with Love and Irving in 2015 or would ever have won a championship without KD.
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6/14/2017  7:22 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...


KD took the same idea LeBron had to a newer level.
I don't think that Warriors team would have beaten Cleveland with Love and Irving in 2015 or would ever have won a championship without KD.

HUH??

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6/14/2017  7:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2017  7:36 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...


KD took the same idea LeBron had to a newer level.
I don't think that Warriors team would have beaten Cleveland with Love and Irving in 2015 or would ever have won a championship without KD.

HUH??


Love and Irving were injured in the 2015 finals. If you look at what happened in 2016 and look at how much LeBron elevates his game in the playoffs, I doubt GSW would have won with them healthy in 2015. Do a Google search and you'll see I'm definitely not alone in that view. So I was saying without Durant, I don't think GSW ever beats a healthy Cleveland team. They lost the only one time they faced a healthy Cleveland team and didn't have Durant. So I wouldn't view this as KD joining a team that was already likely to win championships. I think he joined a team that was unlikely to be able to beat a healthy Cleveland team and turned them into a team that could beat Cleveland.
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6/14/2017  9:20 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...


KD took the same idea LeBron had to a newer level.
I don't think that Warriors team would have beaten Cleveland with Love and Irving in 2015 or would ever have won a championship without KD.

HUH??


Love and Irving were injured in the 2015 finals. If you look at what happened in 2016 and look at how much LeBron elevates his game in the playoffs, I doubt GSW would have won with them healthy in 2015. Do a Google search and you'll see I'm definitely not alone in that view. So I was saying without Durant, I don't think GSW ever beats a healthy Cleveland team. They lost the only one time they faced a healthy Cleveland team and didn't have Durant. So I wouldn't view this as KD joining a team that was already likely to win championships. I think he joined a team that was unlikely to be able to beat a healthy Cleveland team and turned them into a team that could beat Cleveland.

Maybe but I don't think Cavs win last year if the league doesn't suspend Draymond and Bogut doesn't get injured and if Curry isn't injured.
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6/14/2017  9:22 AM
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...


KD took the same idea LeBron had to a newer level.
I don't think that Warriors team would have beaten Cleveland with Love and Irving in 2015 or would ever have won a championship without KD.

HUH??


Love and Irving were injured in the 2015 finals. If you look at what happened in 2016 and look at how much LeBron elevates his game in the playoffs, I doubt GSW would have won with them healthy in 2015. Do a Google search and you'll see I'm definitely not alone in that view. So I was saying without Durant, I don't think GSW ever beats a healthy Cleveland team. They lost the only one time they faced a healthy Cleveland team and didn't have Durant. So I wouldn't view this as KD joining a team that was already likely to win championships. I think he joined a team that was unlikely to be able to beat a healthy Cleveland team and turned them into a team that could beat Cleveland.

Maybe but I don't think Cavs win last year if the league doesn't suspend Draymond and Bogut doesn't get injured and if Curry isn't injured.


Yeah it's hard to say. The two teams never had a head to head healthy match-up.
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6/14/2017  10:38 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...


KD took the same idea LeBron had to a newer level.
I don't think that Warriors team would have beaten Cleveland with Love and Irving in 2015 or would ever have won a championship without KD.

HUH??


Love and Irving were injured in the 2015 finals. If you look at what happened in 2016 and look at how much LeBron elevates his game in the playoffs, I doubt GSW would have won with them healthy in 2015. Do a Google search and you'll see I'm definitely not alone in that view. So I was saying without Durant, I don't think GSW ever beats a healthy Cleveland team. They lost the only one time they faced a healthy Cleveland team and didn't have Durant. So I wouldn't view this as KD joining a team that was already likely to win championships. I think he joined a team that was unlikely to be able to beat a healthy Cleveland team and turned them into a team that could beat Cleveland.

Maybe but I don't think Cavs win last year if the league doesn't suspend Draymond and Bogut doesn't get injured and if Curry isn't injured.


Yeah it's hard to say. The two teams never had a head to head healthy match-up.

This was the first time the two teams were healthy but this was a different GS team with the addition of Durant. I felt last year the GS Warriors got screwed big time by the NBA and ABC because they wee hell bent on stretching the series. Hence the suspension to Green. The creation of Durant to GS was a result of the Warriors being screwed over by the league and ABC. They weren't gonna mess around allow for anyone to even think about it.
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6/14/2017  11:09 AM
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...


KD took the same idea LeBron had to a newer level.
I don't think that Warriors team would have beaten Cleveland with Love and Irving in 2015 or would ever have won a championship without KD.

HUH??


Love and Irving were injured in the 2015 finals. If you look at what happened in 2016 and look at how much LeBron elevates his game in the playoffs, I doubt GSW would have won with them healthy in 2015. Do a Google search and you'll see I'm definitely not alone in that view. So I was saying without Durant, I don't think GSW ever beats a healthy Cleveland team. They lost the only one time they faced a healthy Cleveland team and didn't have Durant. So I wouldn't view this as KD joining a team that was already likely to win championships. I think he joined a team that was unlikely to be able to beat a healthy Cleveland team and turned them into a team that could beat Cleveland.

Maybe but I don't think Cavs win last year if the league doesn't suspend Draymond and Bogut doesn't get injured and if Curry isn't injured.


Yeah it's hard to say. The two teams never had a head to head healthy match-up.

This was the first time the two teams were healthy but this was a different GS team with the addition of Durant. I felt last year the GS Warriors got screwed big time by the NBA and ABC because they wee hell bent on stretching the series. Hence the suspension to Green. The creation of Durant to GS was a result of the Warriors being screwed over by the league and ABC. They weren't gonna mess around allow for anyone to even think about it.


I'd say that neither team won as convincingly as it should have in 2015 and 2016 considering the obstacles the opponent faced (health and suspension).
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6/14/2017  12:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2017  12:39 PM
Have to look at the road to the finals and how each team did. 2015 Cav's had injury to Love, then to Kyrie in game one. A game Cav's lost in over time.
GSW was very fortuitous in its path both staying healthy and injuries to opponents star PG's.
I don't bite on conspiracy theories. Fatigue is a factor which contributed to Bogut injury and Draymonds inability to keep his hands off others testicles.
Curry was not right and seemed injured. They lost.
Add Durant, and its clear that at 16-1 their path thru the playoffs was awesome! Spurs, winners of 61 games fell to injuries to Parker and Khwai. Injury happens.

GSW was clearly the best team in the league this year and again the good fortune to be healthy. Durant Joined the culture that existed and took it to the next level.
They are to be respected as the best team.
A good conspiracy would have had the series go longer.
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6/14/2017  6:18 PM
Vmart wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.

Not the same imo...The Warriors team Durant joined had already won a 'chip, and was a game away from winning back to back...They had the best reg season of all time...Plus, Durant's team was minutes, seconds away from knocing the Warriors out of the playoffs and going to the finals....Then you join the team you had a hand in losing to in the WCF? Lebron joined a team that had an aging star (Wade wasn't old per say, but he wasn't peak Wade), and had never played together...Not the same...


KD took the same idea LeBron had to a newer level.
I don't think that Warriors team would have beaten Cleveland with Love and Irving in 2015 or would ever have won a championship without KD.

HUH??


Love and Irving were injured in the 2015 finals. If you look at what happened in 2016 and look at how much LeBron elevates his game in the playoffs, I doubt GSW would have won with them healthy in 2015. Do a Google search and you'll see I'm definitely not alone in that view. So I was saying without Durant, I don't think GSW ever beats a healthy Cleveland team. They lost the only one time they faced a healthy Cleveland team and didn't have Durant. So I wouldn't view this as KD joining a team that was already likely to win championships. I think he joined a team that was unlikely to be able to beat a healthy Cleveland team and turned them into a team that could beat Cleveland.

Maybe but I don't think Cavs win last year if the league doesn't suspend Draymond and Bogut doesn't get injured and if Curry isn't injured.

I am more aligned with this line of thinking. Someone posted on smother thread that the Cavs play 8 on 5 especially in tbe finals, and that's pretty hard to beat. I think GSW was positioned to win last year but they lost their shooting touch at the end. But they also didnt have a third go to scorer last year that they have now.

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