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6/10/2017  1:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/10/2017  1:28 PM
NumberTwoPencil wrote:Warriors. So, if they win on Sunday . . . greatest basketball team evah or the greatest basketball team of all time? Or just the greatest basketball team. Period.

The Warriors are not one of the greatest teams in the NBA, the Warriors are the best team in the weak water-down NBA. Back in the daze if the TMC Warriors had Barkley on their roster they would be the Warriors of today. They still would have struggled in the playoff vs Magic Johnson Lakers, Rockets Akeem Oylyjuwon, Spurs David Robinson, Jazz Stocton/Malone, and Sonics Gary Payton
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6/10/2017  1:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/10/2017  1:41 PM
TPercy wrote:Can anyone in the NBA guard Kyrie? or at least slow him down consistently?

Kyrie is a ball-hogging Iso-Melo or Iso-Rose who's clueless of the duties of leading the point to improve his teammates performance. Without Lebron leadership and top point-forward skills in Cleveland, Kyrie ball-hogging skills would have never took the Cavs team to the playoffs.
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6/10/2017  2:04 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:The Cavs and Warriors are making Houston look like 2 point specialists. I hope Phil is watching and sees the direction of the league. About half of the shots last night were 3s.

kept saying that to myself all serious long, at one point last night, both teams combine to take 14 straight 3 point attempts with out even considering a 2 pointer.

I could only chuckle to myself at the thought of us running the triangle against these teams.


The 40 something 3's taken by a team in a game has taken away the athleticism in the game.
The 3 ball shooting on every offensive possession by both teams are boring especially when both teams are missing constantly. Some regular season games with all the 3 ball shooting and missing in the first quarter of the game made me change the channel to watch something else. Truth be told all the 3 ball shooting reminds me of a teammate u had on the court who didn't have any creative dribbling or passing skills nor any hops so u would tell the teammate to stay on the perimeter to shoot jumpers.
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6/11/2017  11:10 AM
That game four was an absolute joke. The Warriors should have won that game but the fix was in. It bothers me every time because it is so blatantly obvious. The refs were a train wreck that entire game. Every review was a break for Kyrie and LeBron that lasted a good 2-5 minutes. The refs wrecked the flow of he game which I know was done on purpose. Once again they are getting to what the NBA and ABC did last year they don't care who wins as long as they get seven games. I still think Cavs win this series. There is nothing more deflating than having a 3-0 lead and the NBA and ABC network stepping in and stealing victories away from a team.
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6/11/2017  11:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2017  11:15 AM
I don't like this trend in 3 points based offense. As some posters have said it's taking away from the game. I am ok with change in general but this seems to really water down the quality of the game. Everythong from dribble penetration, to dunks to shot blocking will be laid to waste by teams bringing the ball up to half court and jacking threes. Too much of one thing is never a good thing.
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6/11/2017  11:31 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:I don't like this trend in 3 points based offense. As some posters have said it's taking away from the game. I am ok with change in general but this seems to really water down the quality of the game. Everythong from dribble penetration, to dunks to shot blocking will be laid to waste by teams bringing the ball up to half court and jacking threes. Too much of one thing is never a good thing.

The issue is that it's a better shot than most 2s (other than 2s near the rim). Not sure the league can change that without any drastic changes (like moving the 3 point line way back or just eliminating it).
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meloshouldgo wrote:I don't like this trend in 3 points based offense. As some posters have said it's taking away from the game. I am ok with change in general but this seems to really water down the quality of the game. Everythong from dribble penetration, to dunks to shot blocking will be laid to waste by teams bringing the ball up to half court and jacking threes. Too much of one thing is never a good thing.

The issue is that it's a better shot than most 2s (other than 2s near the rim). Not sure the league can change that without any drastic changes (like moving the 3 point line way back or just eliminating it).

My proposal is to completely eliminate the corner threes. I don't understand why anyone would give a three for a shot if taken on another part of the floor is considered a two. they need to draw lines based on the furthest three, draw it evenly and where ever the out of bound cuts off in the arch is the three. This way the line won't get a full U shape but a cresent shape.
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6/11/2017  4:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2017  4:57 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:I don't like this trend in 3 points based offense. As some posters have said it's taking away from the game. I am ok with change in general but this seems to really water down the quality of the game. Everythong from dribble penetration, to dunks to shot blocking will be laid to waste by teams bringing the ball up to half court and jacking threes. Too much of one thing is never a good thing.


The NBA is full of big men that dont know how to rebound, box out, set a screen, or score down-low on one defender, but they knows how to heist up a 3-ball shot.
The NBA has a lot of guards that are clueless on defense, dont know how to lead a fast-break, nor average 3 assist in 24 minute playing time, nor catch the ball while moving, but they know how to heist up a 3-ball shot.
Im sorry to say .. the NBA has become a weak water down league .. The original Dream-Team will beat the best All-Stars the NBA has now by 70 points
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6/12/2017  9:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2017  9:22 AM
Kemet wrote:
NumberTwoPencil wrote:Warriors. So, if they win on Sunday . . . greatest basketball team evah or the greatest basketball team of all time? Or just the greatest basketball team. Period.

The Warriors are not one of the greatest teams in the NBA, the Warriors are the best team in the weak water-down NBA. Back in the daze if the TMC Warriors had Barkley on their roster they would be the Warriors of today. They still would have struggled in the playoff vs Magic Johnson Lakers, Rockets Akeem Oylyjuwon, Spurs David Robinson, Jazz Stocton/Malone, and Sonics Gary Payton


I disagree. These guys are much more athletic now. Also, the shot selection on offense and strategy on defense is so much smarter that those 80s and 90s teams couldn't keep up. At least, that's what would happen if both teams had average games. The 80s/90s teams would be chucking mid range shots while GS was hitting 3s and they wouldn't even know why GS was gradually gaining points on them.
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6/12/2017  1:31 PM
Winning is all that matters. Few teams can do what the Warriors are doing and it would not be wise to try to replicate that.
Triangle teams of the past shot a high clip of 3's so the generic notion that its done is not really legit.
The Game is evolving but is that because of a few players that are breaking thru? How long can westbrook keep that pace up? curry is awesome but his back court partner is a basically a bigger and stronger Ray Allen.
The run and gun teams have been around since the merger of the ABA but no team has taken this to a championship level like the Warriors.
A lot of things have to come together for it to have. We went eurostyle. IM surprised.
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6/12/2017  4:03 PM
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Kemet wrote:
NumberTwoPencil wrote:Warriors. So, if they win on Sunday . . . greatest basketball team evah or the greatest basketball team of all time? Or just the greatest basketball team. Period.

The Warriors are not one of the greatest teams in the NBA, the Warriors are the best team in the weak water-down NBA. Back in the daze if the TMC Warriors had Barkley on their roster they would be the Warriors of today. They still would have struggled in the playoff vs Magic Johnson Lakers, Rockets Akeem Oylyjuwon, Spurs David Robinson, Jazz Stocton/Malone, and Sonics Gary Payton


I disagree. These guys are much more athletic now. Also, the shot selection on offense and strategy on defense is so much smarter that those 80s and 90s teams couldn't keep up. At least, that's what would happen if both teams had average games. The 80s/90s teams would be chucking mid range shots while GS was hitting 3s and they wouldn't even know why GS was gradually gaining points on them.


The DEFENSE in the 80's and 90's would not have let GS score .. the defense back then used to force team to take the majority of their shots from way out on the perimeter .. u seen a small version of the 80's/90's defense from coach Pop Spurs first game against GS in the playoffs.
The majority of winning teams back then would always have a relentless defensive lineup, teams dont have that today. When was the last time u seen the Knicks put a defense lineup on the court? Coach JVG!
Do u actually think Green could have grabbed rebounds or rough-house players like Anthony Mason (God Bless)?
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Nalod wrote:Winning is all that matters. Few teams can do what the Warriors are doing and it would not be wise to try to replicate that.
Triangle teams of the past shot a high clip of 3's so the generic notion that its done is not really legit.
The Game is evolving but is that because of a few players that are breaking thru? How long can westbrook keep that pace up? curry is awesome but his back court partner is a basically a bigger and stronger Ray Allen.
The run and gun teams have been around since the merger of the ABA but no team has taken this to a championship level like the Warriors.
A lot of things have to come together for it to have. We went eurostyle. IM surprised.


The league is so weak n watered down now a lot of the run and gun teams back in the 80's n 90's would have won a championship in this day and age NBA, especially vs the small-ball GS Warriors starring Durant/Curry
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6/12/2017  4:36 PM
Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???
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6/12/2017  6:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2017  6:26 PM
Kemet wrote:Today on Steven A.Smith show .. Isiah Thomas made a good point bout Durant being in the FINALS 5 years ago at age 23, having younger players Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka .. how many championships would they have if OKC management kept them together today???

I watched that makes sense on Durants part. I don't like that they give LeBron a pass for Miami and then give a pass to joining a loaded Cavs team. To me it's the same difference.
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6/12/2017  6:49 PM
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meloshouldgo wrote:I don't like this trend in 3 points based offense. As some posters have said it's taking away from the game. I am ok with change in general but this seems to really water down the quality of the game. Everythong from dribble penetration, to dunks to shot blocking will be laid to waste by teams bringing the ball up to half court and jacking threes. Too much of one thing is never a good thing.

The issue is that it's a better shot than most 2s (other than 2s near the rim). Not sure the league can change that without any drastic changes (like moving the 3 point line way back or just eliminating it).

Two things-

The three point shot was more efficient when it was sparingly used and taken mostly by people who were above average shooters. Now that everyone had a license to jack up 3s indiscriminately I would expect that efficiency to head south in a hurry.

Second is this quote from Ronald Coase - If you torture data long enough it will confess.

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6/12/2017  11:42 PM
Durant joined a team that went to two finals and won 73 games. Lebron went to a Miami team that was put together and was not deep.
HE went back to Clev, which was not winning. Trades were necessary.
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6/13/2017  12:02 AM
Durant was NOT going to be denied again. But most importantly system basketball and team play completely overwhelmed isolation specialists. Almost should have been a sweep.
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6/13/2017  12:52 AM
Nalod wrote:Durant joined a team that went to two finals and won 73 games. Lebron went to a Miami team that was put together and was not deep.
HE went back to Clev, which was not winning. Trades were necessary.

I don't know they add players very easily. And Riley and his system was already in place. Remember they already had Wade and Haslem and it was a playoff team.
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6/13/2017  7:57 AM
Lebron's still the best player in the game but Durant was sensational. I love the decision Durant made and respect him for caring more about winning than anything else. I also respect how much he doesn't seem to care about criticism fans have of his decision.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I don't like this trend in 3 points based offense. As some posters have said it's taking away from the game. I am ok with change in general but this seems to really water down the quality of the game. Everythong from dribble penetration, to dunks to shot blocking will be laid to waste by teams bringing the ball up to half court and jacking threes. Too much of one thing is never a good thing.

The issue is that it's a better shot than most 2s (other than 2s near the rim). Not sure the league can change that without any drastic changes (like moving the 3 point line way back or just eliminating it).

Two things-

The three point shot was more efficient when it was sparingly used and taken mostly by people who were above average shooters. Now that everyone had a license to jack up 3s indiscriminately I would expect that efficiency to head south in a hurry.


People have been saying this for a long time. As the league continues to take more 3s each year, it is still better than most 2s. I don't know what the maximum is before diminishing returns but we don't seem to have reached it.
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