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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
4/9/2017 11:02 PM
I don't think he goes top 3, but think he will be in heavy consideration by a lot of teams starting at 4. Along with De'Aaron Fox, he might be my top guy outside the big three of Fultz, Jackson, and Ball.
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Cartman718
Posts: 29069 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/12/2007 Member: #1694 |
4/10/2017 12:05 AM
but we need a PG...which he clearly isn't. if phil has jrue holiday locked in his sights, then this pick makes sense.
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nyknickzingis
Posts: 23029 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/8/2015 Member: #6207 |
4/10/2017 5:10 AM
Cartman718 wrote:but we need a PG...which he clearly isn't. if phil has jrue holiday locked in his sights, then this pick makes sense. We need defense, leadership and then playmaking in that order. Isaac is great talent. Long arms. Shooting skill. Can play multiple positions. He can play some 3 with Willy/KP or could play 4 with KP or Willy at 5. I think for the Knicks after the top 4 of Fultz, Jackson, Ball, Fox. The rankings will be (not in order but I'm confident these 3 are next) Isaac I don't think we're drafting a PG unless it's Ntlinkina. I don't see us taking Smith or Monk as guards. If Fox is gone by 4 or 5, I see us taking Isaac/Tatum or Ntlinkina at 6/7. |
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nyknickzingis
Posts: 23029 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/8/2015 Member: #6207 |
4/10/2017 5:13 AM
This is how I think Phil will see the draft via Gaines input
Ball That's our top 7 - in my "guesstimate" |
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
4/10/2017 10:09 AM
If the mock drafts hold true, then Johnathan Isaac could be sitting right there for us at 6... that's also assuming we have the 6th pick.
I know we want a point guard but this guy to me looks like he is a future 20pt a Game scorer. Physically he's overpowering with his size and strength. He can shoot it all over and he's still quick and elusive. He's got the full package. The mock drafts never hold true fyi... some team always reaches or a player always rises his stock in the workouts. Kristaps is one of those guys. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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JamaicanJetFan
Posts: 20617 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/27/2008 Member: #2297 USA |
4/10/2017 10:22 AM
Isaac gives me a serious Kawhi vibe, and I love it.
I'd be happy with any of Fultz, Ball, Fox, Jackson, or Isaac. I'll be pretty disappointed if we miss out on those 5. I could live with Monk or Frank. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
4/10/2017 10:48 AM
EnySpree wrote:If the mock drafts hold true, then Johnathan Isaac could be sitting right there for us at 6... that's also assuming we have the 6th pick. Our BIGGEST issue was defense and I think this kid has so much he can bring to the defense. Along with Baker and KP that would close a lot of holes in the D and make it very tough on teams. Then when you add in his offensive ability it just makes it even better. If I had to guess I think Phil would be very intrigued with a SF/PF that was once a PG and has all kinds of versatility. I would be very happy if we end up with this kid. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53902 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
4/10/2017 10:55 AM
So hard to eval these guys. I dont like most of Isaac's NBA comparisons. However none of that matters. What these guys show in workouts trumps so much. Bottom line is there are a handful of really talented guys, and we will get a shot to take a top 3 caliber pick in most drafts, even if we are 6-7.
Just do the due D and pick a winner. I dont really care where. Hopefully a wing. Isaac looks like a tall 3 to me. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
4/10/2017 11:02 AM
Has extremely quick feet as a help defender and has those long arm.
He does a little bit of everything, and as some have pointed out, he had a late growth spurt, so there is a good bit of "guard" in his game. He might be the most intriguing player in the draft in terms of what he brings to the game.
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
4/10/2017 11:51 AM
If we could trade Melo all probable scenarios have us taking back guards. I like what i see in Ron Baker. I Still like Chasson too...
Kristaps, Isaac, Willy... the mix there to me sounds like a bad day for the opposing defense.... If guys are running the offense and sharing the ball, buying in.... it's not a bad look. Btw... what do you think about Keith Van Horn as a comparison? Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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fishmike
Posts: 53902 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
4/10/2017 12:02 PM
EnySpree wrote:If we could trade Melo all probable scenarios have us taking back guards. I like what i see in Ron Baker. I Still like Chasson too... he plays more like a 3 and KVH was a 4. He actually looks more like Tim Thomas. That isnt meant to sound insulting "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
4/10/2017 12:09 PM
He has good handles for his size. I like could be an impact player for sure.
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
4/10/2017 12:10 PM
EnySpree wrote: I really like this kid and think some could be underestimating how good he could end up being in the NBA. |
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
4/10/2017 12:18 PM
Cartman718 wrote:but we need a PG...which he clearly isn't. if phil has jrue holiday locked in his sights, then this pick makes sense. PG's can still be gotten in other ways then just our lottery pick and who really knows how Phil and Hornachek are looking at R.Burgandy for next year. They could be thinking this kid could run the point with the right talent at the other 4 spots or at least give him a look for next season and if it's not working maybe make a move around the trade deadline. We also still have the Melo thing to deal with and if he does decide to give us a list of team to accept a trade then who knows what we end up getting for him. We have other options for PG other than our lottery pick and PG isn't our only need anyway. |
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Nalod
Posts: 72093 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
4/10/2017 12:20 PM
Kid has more offensive repertoire than I first thought.
Individual workouts could take this kid up some spots if he can impress. Do we really need a PG? Can Baker guard the position? This kid I think is now 6-11 and might be our Point forward of the future. Time will tell us. |
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 40252 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
4/10/2017 1:04 PM
Nalod wrote:Kid has more offensive repertoire than I first thought. Yeah, I can imagine Isaac running pick n rolls or pick n pops with with KP. Isaac is going to take time to develop physically, but I think he's worth the gamble. His movement without the ball already seems advanced. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
4/10/2017 1:21 PM
I was thinking Isaac is more like a Lamar Odom type or a better handles version of Bosh.
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 40252 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
4/10/2017 1:46 PM
nixluva wrote:I was thinking Isaac is more like a Lamar Odom type or a better handles version of Bosh. He's more of a faceup guy than Bosh and quicker. That might change as he fills out. He was on a better team as a freshman as Bosh, so it's possible he has more in his arsenal than he displayed. He has a better J than Odom, but he's not as a good a passer. He seems more comfortable guarding the perimeter than Odom did at Rhode Island tho. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
4/10/2017 2:10 PM
I think Isaac is probably a better defensive version of these 3 SF/FPs Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, and Chandler Parsons(Healthy). All 3 of those guys were 6'10 forwards that had great fluidity so they could play on the wings and defend opposing 3s. Now those players were not super stars but they were quality players who were just below lead guys. I think the difference with Isaac is that he is a two way player with playmaking ability which could lead him into possibly becoming a star player. I think it mostly depends on how good of a ball handler he becomes and if he can convert his long stride into power when finishing.
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