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8/16/2004  3:43 PM
Someone posted this on the ESPN boards

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?threadID=390663&lastPostID=1223160

Checked it out at NBA.com

http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Hawks_Acquire_Predrag_Drobnjak.html
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8/16/2004  3:47 PM
Very interesting.
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8/16/2004  3:49 PM
The hawks have $6.8 M left in cap space to start Dampier at if he signs.
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8/16/2004  3:54 PM
Good news for us even though Atlanta still isn't completely out of the Dampier race, it definitely improves our chances. Who knows maybe Dampier has already made up his mind?
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8/16/2004  3:54 PM
Posted by Andrew:

The hawks have $6.8 M left in cap space to start Dampier at if he signs.
That's great. Now the Hawks can barely offer him more money than the Knicks and they probably wouldn't have signed Drobjnak if they thought they could get Dampier and wanted to use their cap room on him. Other teams still have more to offer in a sign and trade thant he Knicks do, though; I hope the Griz don't offer Stro Swift and the Pacers don't offer Bender.

From the article:
ATLANTA, GA -- (August 16, 2004) The Atlanta Hawks have obtained veteran center/forward Predrag “Peja” Drobnjak from the Charlotte Bobcats in exchange for a 2005 second-round draft pick (from the New York Knicks),
How funny would it be if that 2nd rd pick not only helped us get TT and Nazy but also helped us get Dampier (by enabling this Drobnjak trade to go through)!! That would be the best 2nd rd pick we ever had!
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8/16/2004  3:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Andrew:

The hawks have $6.8 M left in cap space to start Dampier at if he signs.
That's great. Now the Hawks can barely offer him more money than the Knicks and they probably wouldn't have signed Drobjnak if they thought they could get Dampier and wanted to use their cap room on him. Other teams still have more to offer in a sign and trade thant he Knicks do, though; I hope the Griz don't offer Stro Swift and the Pacers don't offer Bender.

From the article:
ATLANTA, GA -- (August 16, 2004) The Atlanta Hawks have obtained veteran center/forward Predrag “Peja” Drobnjak from the Charlotte Bobcats in exchange for a 2005 second-round draft pick (from the New York Knicks),
How funny would it be if that 2nd rd pick not only helped us get TT and Nazy but also helped us get Dampier (by enabling this Drobnjak trade to go through)!! That would be the best 2nd rd pick we ever had!








Yea I was about to mention the irony of the 2nd rounder being our pick.
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8/16/2004  3:58 PM
How funny would it be if that 2nd rd pick not only helped us get TT and Nazy but also helped us get Dampier (by enabling this Drobnjak trade to go through)!! That would be the best 2nd rd pick we ever had

I actually forgot we gave up a pick in that deal. It's like finding a $10 bill you never knew you lost.
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8/16/2004  4:11 PM
Crap, according to hoopshype the Hawks still have a ton of cap space and enough to give Dampier that $40 million deal for 4 years

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/atlanta.htm
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8/16/2004  4:15 PM
Posted by s3231:

Crap, according to hoopshype the Hawks still have a ton of cap space and enough to give Dampier that $40 million deal for 4 years

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/atlanta.htm

The total at HoopsHype does not include the $3.2M qualifying offer to Joel Przybilla....so I think if you add that to the 36M figure they do have less that $7M left in cap space....unless they take back their qualifying offer (I think they can do that but i'm not sure).
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8/16/2004  4:20 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by s3231:

Crap, according to hoopshype the Hawks still have a ton of cap space and enough to give Dampier that $40 million deal for 4 years

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/atlanta.htm

The total at HoopsHype does not include the $3.2M qualifying offer to Joel Przybilla....so I think if you add that to the 36M figure they do have less that $7M left in cap space....unless they take back their qualifying offer (I think they can do that but i'm not sure).






Oh I completely forgot about that. Yea I think a team can take a qualifying offer back, not sure either though.

[Edited by - s3231 on 08/16/2004 16:36:17]
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8/16/2004  5:13 PM
This sounds like good news. It seems like the Hawks can't make a great offer for Damps anymore. So either he takes decent money to play on a crap team, or less decent money to play on a good team.

Is Damps on the Kool-aid?
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8/16/2004  5:28 PM
I think it means Damp is signing with either Memphis, Indiana, or NY....

In Memphis he would be body guard to Pau but have to split time with Lorenzen Wright and maybe Swift if he re-signs....

In Indiana he would be O'Neals Body Guard.

In NY he would be the man in the middle of the spot light. He already said he wanted to play for the Knicks so WTF....sign already.
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8/16/2004  5:31 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I think it means Damp is signing with either Memphis, Indiana, or NY....

In Memphis he would be body guard to Pau but have to split time with Lorenzen Wright and maybe Swift if he re-signs....

In Indiana he would be O'Neals Body Guard.

In NY he would be the man in the middle of the spot light. He already said he wanted to play for the Knicks so WTF....sign already.


Only problem is that Indiana and Memphis have used part or all of their MLE, respectively. We have a good shot here, folks.
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8/16/2004  5:34 PM
I really hope we have a good shot but as we ALL know money talks but hopefully he meant what he said when he was in NY, that winning is the most important thing for him right now
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8/16/2004  5:40 PM
If we can get Dampier, who knows we might be even able to get another championship here in NY! *Begs to God for Dampier*
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8/16/2004  6:03 PM
Just to play devil's advocate, look at it this way. Maybe one of Dampier's beef's was that he'd have to do too much work carrying a thin front line in Atl (unless there's someone on the roster that I'm missing). Maybe ATL went out and got Predrag to show Damps that he'll have help via a capable backup creating a legit rotation at center. You think?
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8/16/2004  6:13 PM
The problem is here.. gentlemen, that it sounds as if Isiah has agreed to give Baker a big chunk of the MLE, as a kick back to his and Crawford's agent, Goodwin. He hasn't offered it yet, but I think its done, however unfortunate... therefore making the Dampier option a "slim one".
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8/16/2004  6:29 PM
Posted by rain:

The problem is here.. gentlemen, that it sounds as if Isiah has agreed to give Baker a big chunk of the MLE, as a kick back to his and Crawford's agent, Goodwin. He hasn't offered it yet, but I think its done, however unfortunate... therefore making the Dampier option a "slim one".

If Isiah agreed to give Baker some mid level money as it was reported a couple of weeks ago I think it would have been announced already. It still might happen, but I think Isiah is waiting to see if Dampier will take the Mid before giving it to Baker.

Also....its strange what was written today in the Daily news...

The two sides have had an agreement for the last several weeks, with the backup forward expected to get a two-year deal worth slightly more than $3.2 million.

A 2 year deal worth 3.2...not 3.2 a year. Sounds like LLE money to me if this is true.
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8/16/2004  7:31 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Just to play devil's advocate, look at it this way. Maybe one of Dampier's beef's was that he'd have to do too much work carrying a thin front line in Atl (unless there's someone on the roster that I'm missing). Maybe ATL went out and got Predrag to show Damps that he'll have help via a capable backup creating a legit rotation at center. You think?
Actually, they have a pretty good starting frontcourt with Antoine Walker and Al Harrington. Sorry but I just can't picture Dampier saying, "I'll sign with you, but only if you get Drobnjak to help us out."
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8/16/2004  7:48 PM
The LLE is 1.6 mil so a 2 year deal would equal 3.2 mil...but the problem is we've heard so many conflicting reports in the past 3 weeks about whether its the LLE or part of the MLE. We won't know untill its signed. I just don't think Zeke would give part of his MLE to Baker if he felt he still had a chance at Dampier, agreement with Goodwin or not.
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