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Nalod
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8/16/2004  9:54 AM


Watching and listening about the Euro game, it makes perfect sense why Milos stayed. He is not a *****, his game is better suited to the euro style game and he is a star there.

Remember some fella named "OSCAR" from Brazil whom used to just light up the USA team year after year. Could never make it in the NBA, but the guy could alone keep his team alive with his play.

These guys have a certain style that is not NBA compatable. We as fans of the NBA long believe our game as superior in our arrogant western ways. While not much has changed, I might consider the SOFT euro game as "Different" and have gained more of my respect. Its fun to watch also.

Remember when Princeton used to make a big upset in the NCAA's with its complicated motion offense installed by pete carrill? They would run back door plays and when that closed up, they would shoot. If they hit the shots, they win! Now Pete has done a good job in Sacremento getting them to d0 some of that. THe problem is the kings can build leads, but there Scvincters tighten up too much at crunch time and tend to panic. BUt its a nice game to watch. I would not call the kings losers by any stretch, and there are good reasons why they cant make the last step. I am not a basketball writer, so I will pass, BUt Bibby is a euro style guard, and of course having Divac and peja adds. Cwebb plays that hIgh post thing which opens things up under the basket, or he gets a good mid range jumper.

My point, we percieve the passing shooting play below the game is "SOFT", which by NBA standards is true. But with scoring down in the NBA, and we are losing in the international game, I think its time we evaluate we do and decide a directions.

Is it soft to shoot 12% from a short 3 point area? Yeah it is!

We might have to look at SOFT as a relative term.


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8/16/2004  10:00 AM
good point nalod, and that guys OSCAR SMIDTH used to kill us, but I think the euro style or international style hurts us when we put out teams of players who haven't had much time together, but put those teams in the NBA where coaches have time to scout and prepare and teams are using length and athleticism to make you drive the ball and you see a difference.. I think the NBA game is so physical and athletic that having players who can create and penetrate is a must but I do think that Jumpshooting has become a lost art and that is simply because it does not make the sport center highlights...
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8/16/2004  10:19 AM
All previously mentioned were very good points, but lets not say it is the NBA's fault for not adopting the pass and shoot style of play. They have always had that style of play until the late 90's. I feel it has more to do with guys not staying in college and learning the fundamentals before reaching the NBA level. Also, whenever guys like Ray Allen, Allan Houston, Reggie Miller, and Stojakovic goes off; they make the highlights.
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8/16/2004  10:28 AM
This has a lot to do with the ESPN generation. Everyone wants to dunk and make fancy passes to make the highlights. Darius Miles type players are much to happy to do dunks and not work on other aspects of the game. This can be blamed on the Jordans of the world, the must win scoring title players who model their game after Jordan so they can get the pay checks and endorsements. I love streetball but organized basketball is so different and believe it or not it another game altogether. I think to much streetball has invaded the NBA hence the lack of true basketball skills.
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8/16/2004  10:38 AM
Posted by Bizzy211:

All previously mentioned were very good points, but lets not say it is the NBA's fault for not adopting the pass and shoot style of play. They have always had that style of play until the late 90's. I feel it has more to do with guys not staying in college and learning the fundamentals before reaching the NBA level. Also, whenever guys like Ray Allen, Allan Houston, Reggie Miller, and Stojakovic goes off; they make the highlights.

It has to do with trying to find the next "Next".....you know? Everyone wants a Kobe, Tracy, LeBron....these are gifted plain and simple....you can't coach these dudes and make them better they just are and they always were.....

I think its the coaches all the way at the at the high school level.....you could even take it lower than that because coaches tend to ride the player that is better than everyone instead of teaching the game.

In this league you will never ever see a Scott Skiles, Mark Price, Chis Mullin, Robert Parish, McKale, James Worthy, Alex English, Ro Blackman, Dan Issel,Dave Cowens.......these guys were ball players.....none were all that explosive but they had skill that was taught to them in the Gyms and yes the streets of the US.

Go to a park today and just watch what goes on....Not Rucker or West 4th.....just go to regular park where teenagers are playing.....you will see what's wrong in less than 5 minutes.....Go to a local tournament with teenagers.....you will see what I mean....

Sheet....go to a Brooklyn College Womans basketball game and you will definately know what's wrong.....

Basketball is not what it used to be and the rest of the world ain't wack anymore....they serious. I used to play ball at NYU during the summer.....you wanna talk basketball? Foreign players come to play and they got the pride like "let me see if you americans are really that good".....
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8/16/2004  10:47 AM
no offense but why are we still talking about this idiot?
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8/16/2004  11:14 AM
Don't call someone an idiot when you simply can't understand his choices.

he chose to stay in europe where he thinks he belongs. You say he's affraid to come and play against the best ball players of the world.
I say these ball players, provided they keep the same attitude as you, won't be the best for long.

Ignorance and arrogance are 2 very bad flaws. No need so to prove that you possess both with a single sentence.
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8/16/2004  11:24 AM
Posted by EnySpree:


It has to do with trying to find the next "Next".....you know? Everyone wants a Kobe, Tracy, LeBron....these are gifted plain and simple....you can't coach these dudes and make them better they just are and they always were.....

That my friend is the only way the league have found to survive. Entertain and show that the entertainment will not die from the stars retirings.

So now half decent stars are made kings. Just watch games of the bad boys, and see what jordan overcame to become a star. Then look at vince carter. This guys gets the most vote in the allstar game yet can't play trough injuries, and only whines when his team loses. Interesting ?
Posted by EnySpree:


I think its the coaches all the way at the at the high school level.....you could even take it lower than that because coaches tend to ride the player that is better than everyone instead of teaching the game.

Which game ? The one when you make a pass to have a teamate score for your team, or the one where you set a teamate to get an assist in your statline ? Or maybe you're talking about the game where doing and1 moves during a game is rewarded with a boost in jersey sales ?
Posted by EnySpree:

In this league you will never ever see a Scott Skiles, Mark Price, Chis Mullin, Robert Parish, McKale, James Worthy, Alex English, Ro Blackman, Dan Issel,Dave Cowens.......these guys were ball players.....none were all that explosive but they had skill that was taught to them in the Gyms and yes the streets of the US.

You're plain right. Those guys made the league, and now the nba is dying of all the wanabees that try to be the next "x".
Posted by EnySpree:

Basketball is not what it used to be and the rest of the world ain't wack anymore....they serious. I used to play ball at NYU during the summer.....you wanna talk basketball? Foreign players come to play and they got the pride like "let me see if you americans are really that good".....

That's what some friends and I always did. Suffering from the very tight rules in FRance that allowed all kinds of zones defences, we were wishing, "if at least, we could be allowed to have a first free step before start dribbling like in the US...". How many times was I called for travelling ?
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8/16/2004  12:24 PM
Oscar Schmidt! A Brazilian with a German Name! one of the "Boys from Brazil"?

i thought of Milos because his game is not suited for the NBA. With Scoring down in the NBA, I respect the euro game where there is a different "SKILL" set.

Lampe and Milos, maybe Layden was a head of his time! Imagine trying to drafte players whom can shoot the ball!
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8/16/2004  1:15 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Oscar Schmidt! A Brazilian with a German Name! one of the "Boys from Brazil"?

i thought of Milos because his game is not suited for the NBA. With Scoring down in the NBA, I respect the euro game where there is a different "SKILL" set.

Lampe and Milos, maybe Layden was a head of his time! Imagine trying to drafte players whom can shoot the ball!

Nah man.....let's not go that far.....

This team is filled with guys that are go to players on their respective teams......now you expect them to be Steve Kerr, or BJ Armstrong?

They can't do it.....This same type of team was always put together for the USA.....it has to be just feeling bored or something....They have to learn a system where they might not be getting the ball. They don't know who should score and who should take a back seat.....The team might be too good....it's not shooters. Yeah if they had some they would lose by 10 maybe instead of 20......

I can't get into USA basketball....it hurts to watch. The NBA is still the best basketball around.
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8/16/2004  2:47 PM
YOur right, they don't know whom the go to guy is, or whom is the role player! They are scared to shoot because they don't know if they are being "inpolite" and not witht he program.

Michael on thse all star teams knew his role, as would Kobe and garnett. They ARE the man!

Man when that little dude spashed that three for PR right at the end of the game, that was very cool! Looks like the USA was talking, but RP was getting it done.

They keep talking about it being a wake up call, but its like they are waiting for a third party to intervene and take it over.

Anybody doubt the Pistons could take any of these teams apart?

I know NBA teams can't play, they have euros on the rosters!
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