TripleThreat wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Hypothetically, if we were to stumble onto the no.1 overall pick, would you trade it to acquire the SAC and NOP 1st round lottery picks the Kings both own?
The same reasons a team wants to trade down is the same reasons why another team will not want to trade up.
When you have a LBJ, a Tim Duncan, a Shaq, an Andrew Luck, a Daryl Strawberry/ARod, something of that nature, then sure, teams will want to trade up if they can. But when the top pick could be Joe Smith....
I don't see the Kings making that deal, that being said, both the Knicks and Kings have made some pretty bad moves and if there's a more screwy front office in the league, Vivek Ranadive and Vlade Divac might be amongst the worst out there.
Traditionally the top pick doesn't get traded much, if at all. Before the Wiggins/Bennett deal, you'd probably have to go all the way back to Chris Webber to see a 1st overall get moved or the player get moved before he laces up his first NBA game.
If the Knicks traded the first overall, the methodology would likely be best to split the asset across multiple years, i.e. the 1st for the 4th overall plus picks in Year X and Year Y.
Many deals like this, if they even work as a fit, end up contingency deals, i.e. when the Kings pick, if the player the Knicks want is there, then the deal might go through. If the Kings pick like 5 and 9, no guarantee both players or the range of players the Knicks would want would be on the board at both of those picks. Also the value of the 1st overall is likely worth more than two other fringe lottery picks ( it's still dependent on where they are placed) But being logically worth more and practically worth more are two different things. It's logically worth more because of it's value to the Knicks, but practically not worth as much to another team because of the quantity of assets in place needed to make a trade in the first place.
It's an interesting scenario, just not sure it's feasible under current market conditions.
I'm not sure that is necessarily true. If you believe that you already hit a grand-slam with Kristaps Porzingis, do you really need to get another given how the league is trending? Teams are playing an increasingly team-oriented style, so if you could draft two guys that could be all-star caliber players next to KP, wouldn't that trump a guy that could potentially be a generational talent?
That was the same type of methodology that the Magic had when they traded Chris Webber and look how handsomely that move worked out for them. Penny, when healthy, was every bit the caliber of star that Webber was and he offered a far better fit next to Shaq as well....and they got 3 additional first rounders out of the deal. Those are the exact same circumstances I'd like to find our team in if we get the no.1 overall pick in this upcoming draft. And it just so happens that we have a team that was every bit as desperate as that Warriors team to make this type of deal a possibility.
As for parsing our return over a couple of years, I'm not so sure. The Kings definitely don't have that option, since their picks will be encumbered by dumb decisions they've made in the past. And the other teams in the lottery tend to be franchises that already have an impressive core that will inevitably lead perennial playoff teams (e.g. Philly, Milwaukee, etc.), which will hurt their projected first round picks. Though, I would support making that Kings deal and then seeking suitors for the worse of the two picks. I'd want another, later pick in this draft as well as some combination of future 1st round picks and pick swaps as compensation.