90sKnicks wrote:I just don't get the Derrick Rose supporters. There are two components to basketball: offense and defense. His defense is just pathetic. I'd rate it a D or F. On offense he is incredible at getting to the basket but misses a lot of lay ups that causes easy transition buckets the other way. He makes nobody around him better. His 20+ point games are pretty hollow because he tends to give up 20+ points on defense

Now it's a great point you made about that his misses as layups can lead to easy baskets for our opponents. But that's not on Rose. That's on the team not being set up right. That's actually why the Triangle is coming back, it has 2 players always at the top so they should be first line of defense. What I hate about Rose is how we was going under every screen and not fighting hard off the screen rolls. That has actually changed. If anyone wants to disagree that's fine but I have seen a significant change in his defensive effort and recognition of the open man on drives the last few weeks.

I'm not a fan of Rose. I just don't see many other solutions. I honestly see him pricing himself high and us passing on keeping him. He will want money that I hope we don't agree to pay to him. What I'm saying is IF the money is ok, and if the length of the contract is guaranteed no more than 3 years, and IF we can't sign a better PG in free agency (Or draft a PG in the lottery) then having a teammate like Rose for KP/Willy/Our lottery pick will be good. Without a guard that can break down the defense off the dribble, we'd be a pretty easy team to defend. No good offense is without a player that can constantly get to the basket off the dribble. Probably the one thing we made some development it from last season was the team's offense. There was no way unde Fisher we average 106 as a team for the season. Don't want to lose that. We need to get a starting level PG and while Rose is my 5th or 6th choice, he should be in consideration if the money is right. Don't confuse that with support for him or being a fan of his. I much rather have 20 other PG's in the league that are either not coming here as free agents or we won't be able to trade for them. I'd love to draft Ball or Fultz. However if that is not available, I consider Rose on a 3 year deal. If the deal is right, then you can always move him in trade and not lose him as an asset for nothing. Another reason why I say "money has to be right". I think on a 3 year $70 M type of deal he is very tradable in a future deal.

Randle was quiet but effective. I was very happy for him. Maybe his stint w philly got whatever yips out of his system

I'll be honest. I'm getting sick of flashy players. Too often they're one dimensionAl ball hogs

Whoever we draft or sign this year I want them to play the right way and respect a system

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crzymdups wrote:

90sKnicks wrote:I was hoping all game that O'Quinn wasn't going to play because i felt that this is the type of game where his grit and toughness would help us to a win. Putting him together on the floor with Lance who always plays 110% and Randle who was actually playing defense i knew would be trouble for the tank. The irony is if Melo and Rose played that fourth quarter, we likely lose.

Yeah... it was nice to see Chasson play well, but I winced when KOQ came in. He was playing against his old team, you knew he'd do well. Every win hurts right now. It sucks to be in that position, but they're essentially doubling the pain of this terrible season by winning these games.

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I think it'd hurt worse to be #6 on that board and knowing you took Johnny freaking Flynn over Curry.

True. That's David Kahn... they actually took Rubio at 5 and Flynn at 6 in that draft. Rubio's a decent pick... but Flynn was terrible.

It just hurt because almost all Knicks fans thought we'd get Curry and he then became a two-time MVP

crzymdups wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

90sKnicks wrote:I was hoping all game that O'Quinn wasn't going to play because i felt that this is the type of game where his grit and toughness would help us to a win. Putting him together on the floor with Lance who always plays 110% and Randle who was actually playing defense i knew would be trouble for the tank. The irony is if Melo and Rose played that fourth quarter, we likely lose.

Yeah... it was nice to see Chasson play well, but I winced when KOQ came in. He was playing against his old team, you knew he'd do well. Every win hurts right now. It sucks to be in that position, but they're essentially doubling the pain of this terrible season by winning these games.

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I think it'd hurt worse to be #6 on that board and knowing you took Johnny freaking Flynn over Curry.

True. That's David Kahn... they actually took Rubio at 5 and Flynn at 6 in that draft. Rubio's a decent pick... but Flynn was terrible.

It just hurt because almost all Knicks fans thought we'd get Curry and he then became a two-time MVP

Kahn was honestly one of the worst GMs of all time- he took THREE pg's that draft. What an idiot.

I think we will get similarly disappointed if we lose out on Monk this year
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The 76ers are going to take Monk and there really is nothing we can do to stop that. We won't finish with a worse record then them and they have a franchise center, and a small forward who will serve as a point forward. Think about it...all they need is a guard who can light it up scoring