I could easily argue that none of our roster would start on a 50 win team.

And we are so far away from being a 50 win team, it isn't even funny.

nyknickzingis wrote:If you look around the league from the teams that are really good

From our perpective

KP
Melo
Lee

Are capable starters on a 50 win type of team.
Willy may improve to become one as well but he needs way better defensive impact inside.

So easiest solution to me

Get a starting 5 or 3 or 4 that fits with Melo/KP.
Get a PG.
Easier said than done but it is that simple.

We have enough talent to get better really fast.

Just the moves Phil made this past summer with Noah and Rose. They never fit well around Melo/KP/Lee.

Not everything is bad about this team. With KP, Melo and Lee we have 3 players who have enough talent to be starters on good teams. Where I see our issues are at the 1 spot and then who is the best starter next to KP/Melo that helps them defensively.

Offensively, Lee and Melo could start if they are surrounded by 4 defensive talented players. Lee would also need high usage players around him to make up for his low usg.

Re: KP

I saw this posted the other day...

http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-morning-news-2017-02-28/#comment-572084

You’d expect a player like that to develop in his sophomore season, but Porzingis has not developed much. His rebounding has declined precipitously, and his hot start scoring the ball has dissipated greatly. Porzingis came roaring out of the gate, with a .598 TS% and .564 eFG% in his first 18 games. Since then? He has a .517 TS% and .476 eFG% from game 19 on.

I think a lot of that can be blamed on injuries and other things but right now he has not been playing like a starter on either side of the ball. This does not mean that anyone should give up on KP or anything like that. (Is it sad that I have to write that sentence?)

It is possible to get lucky... via trade or lucky in the draft.... The Knicks haven't been lucky since 1999

fishmike wrote:If the other two guys are Lebron and Kyrie than any of em.

Yeah we saw that with Chump and JR.

nyknickzingis wrote:

Vmart wrote:This is a trick question. I think Melo would disrupt the 50 win team. If the team is winning based on strong leadership then maybe Melo would be able to conform to the team needs. For instance if he is going to a team with Chris Paul or say a LeBron then I can see Melo being a starter and winning. But if he is going to a team like Houston then I see Houston taking a big step back as he doesn't fit the team needs. Location is very important with a player of Melo's caliber. Porzingis probably gets to start on many 50 win teams as his upside is high.

Lee probably starts on some 50 win teams but mostly bench player or 6th man role. Rose probably starts on some 50 win teams with him also location is vital. The rest are all bench players.

Good analysis
So that means there is talent with Rose, Lee, Melo, KP.
It's about finding the pieces that fit and who you want to keep.

KP is a must keep.
Melo has a NTC and is still a top 25 player.
Lee is a great shooter and solid 2-way player on a good contract

I think we should try to get 2 new starters who can work with those players.

A flip scenario I have is keep Rose, trade Melo. Build the team around KP, Rose, Lee along side the 2 new staters.

The chemistry of the Rose, Lee, Melo, KP and Noah team wasn't there but doesn't mean it will never be there with some of those starters and some new starters brought in. Talent is talent and we have some.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

Vmart wrote:This is a trick question. I think Melo would disrupt the 50 win team. If the team is winning based on strong leadership then maybe Melo would be able to conform to the team needs. For instance if he is going to a team with Chris Paul or say a LeBron then I can see Melo being a starter and winning. But if he is going to a team like Houston then I see Houston taking a big step back as he doesn't fit the team needs. Location is very important with a player of Melo's caliber. Porzingis probably gets to start on many 50 win teams as his upside is high.

Lee probably starts on some 50 win teams but mostly bench player or 6th man role. Rose probably starts on some 50 win teams with him also location is vital. The rest are all bench players.

Good analysis
So that means there is talent with Rose, Lee, Melo, KP.
It's about finding the pieces that fit and who you want to keep.

KP is a must keep.
Melo has a NTC and is still a top 25 player.
Lee is a great shooter and solid 2-way player on a good contract

I think we should try to get 2 new starters who can work with those players.

A flip scenario I have is keep Rose, trade Melo. Build the team around KP, Rose, Lee along side the 2 new staters.

The chemistry of the Rose, Lee, Melo, KP and Noah team wasn't there but doesn't mean it will never be there with some of those starters and some new starters brought in. Talent is talent and we have some.

OK, but he's saying those pieces are guys like LeBron and Chris Paul! We're not just a couple of small or even medium pieces away from being a 50 win team.

Precisely, I keep going back to Jason Kidd and his leadership or for that matter Lin (small sample size). When all the player or most players get on the same page because of one player that is leadership. What the problem here is Melo is the Knicks best player on offense we think it translates to leadership but it doesn't. I feel as long as Melo is on this team the Knicks will be devoid of leadership. Any rookie that comes here won't be taken seriously by him and at the same time I do believe that KP might have a leadership quality but because of Melo's presence it won't shine through.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:If the other two guys are Lebron and Kyrie than any of em.

Yeah we saw that with Chump and JR.