Not sure if he ever took math in high school but if the deal went through it would have been Lopez and Grant for Rubio and Holiday. Not too bad. What a fuking mess Isola is.

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks were bad before Phil came to town

At least he got us KP and a future

Not upset with him

Dolan is the bigger problem

Knicks won 54 games before Phil came to town. He traded the guts of that team for zero return, which is why we're in year three of a rebuild that probably has about four more years to go.

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks were bad before Phil came to town

At least he got us KP and a future

Not upset with him

Dolan is the bigger problem

Knicks won 54 games before Phil came to town. He traded the guts of that team for zero return, which is why we're in year three of a rebuild that probably has about four more years to go.

Knicks were a lottery team when Jackson took over in March
That was the season before that
Jackson came after the trade deadline and the team was awful that year
I guess u want to blame the 37win Woodson season on Phil too?
What about Bargnani trade? Phil again?

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks were bad before Phil came to town

At least he got us KP and a future

Not upset with him

Dolan is the bigger problem

Knicks won 54 games before Phil came to town. He traded the guts of that team for zero return, which is why we're in year three of a rebuild that probably has about four more years to go.

Knicks were a lottery team when Jackson took over in March
That was the season before that
Jackson came after the trade deadline and the team was awful that year
I guess u want to blame the 37win Woodson season on Phil too?
What about Bargnani trade? Phil again?

How about because reigning defensive player of the year Tyson Chandler missed almost 40 games with a broken leg. When he came back they finished the season on 14-6 run and missed the playoffs by a game.

That season isn't on Phil, but the fact that he gave away 75% of that team for zero return is why this rebuild has so far to go still. Tyson, Felton, Shump, JR - the only asset on the team for all four of those guys (who were 4 of the top 6 players on our team ) is.. Lance Thomas, I think?

Guys leave. They move on. Sometime you dont bring them back. That happens. Are you expecting every player that leaves to yield some asset upon exit? Sounds nice but is that reality?

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks were bad before Phil came to town

At least he got us KP and a future

Not upset with him

Dolan is the bigger problem

Knicks won 54 games before Phil came to town. He traded the guts of that team for zero return, which is why we're in year three of a rebuild that probably has about four more years to go.

You guys really need to get over this 54 games thing. Phil was hired on March 2014, we were a 37 win team in 2013-14 season.

Record: 37-45, Finished 3rd in NBA Atlantic Division
Coach: Mike Woodson (37-45)
PTS/G: 98.6 (20th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 99.4 (8th of 30)
SRS: -1.40 (19th of 30) Pace: 90.3 (28th of 30)
Off Rtg: 108.3 (11th of 30) Def Rtg: 109.1 (24th of 30)
Expected W-L: 39-43 (18th of 30)
Arena: Madison Square Garden (IV) Attendance: 812,292 (3rd of 30)

Save the revisionist history and get you facts straight. We are not in year 3 of a rebuild. We are in Year 0.5 of a rebuild after 2.5 years of "putting players around Melo". Hopefully we done chasing that wild goose, because I don't know about you but I am tired of watching this 3 ring circus.

Exaggerating the value of the players we traded and ridiculing the current roster must feel good and fits with the agenda, but it's not based on reality. 54 wins my ass.

http://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10607795/phil-jackson-deal-new-york-knicks-finalized

meloshouldgo wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks were bad before Phil came to town

At least he got us KP and a future

Not upset with him

Dolan is the bigger problem

Knicks won 54 games before Phil came to town. He traded the guts of that team for zero return, which is why we're in year three of a rebuild that probably has about four more years to go.

You guys really need to get over this 54 games thing. Phil was hired on March 2014, we were a 37 win team in 2013-14 season.

Record: 37-45, Finished 3rd in NBA Atlantic Division
Coach: Mike Woodson (37-45)
PTS/G: 98.6 (20th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 99.4 (8th of 30)
SRS: -1.40 (19th of 30) Pace: 90.3 (28th of 30)
Off Rtg: 108.3 (11th of 30) Def Rtg: 109.1 (24th of 30)
Expected W-L: 39-43 (18th of 30)
Arena: Madison Square Garden (IV) Attendance: 812,292 (3rd of 30)

Save the revisionist history and get you facts straight. We are not in year 3 of a rebuild. We are in Year 0.5 of a rebuild after 2.5 years of "putting players around Melo". Hopefully we done chasing that wild goose, because I don't know about you but I am tired of watching this 3 ring circus.

Exaggerating the value of the players we traded and ridiculing the current roster must feel good and fits with the agenda, but it's not based on reality. 54 wins my ass.

http://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10607795/phil-jackson-deal-new-york-knicks-finalized

Really? What was the 17 win season? Why did Rambis call last year "Year 0"?

fwk00 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:This is what the reality looked like

Jackson inherits a Knicks' roster that doesn't have much flexibility in the near future.

With or without Anthony, the Knicks are expected to be over the salary cap this summer because of the contracts of Amar'e Stoudemire ($23.4 million), Tyson Chandler ($14.6 million) and Andrea Bargnani ($11.5 million), which run through 2014-15.

So Jackson probably will have to trade one of those three players if he wants to reshape the roster.

Oh, that's way too rosy a picture of what Jax inherited. There was Amare punching a fire hydrant. Then we had Felton caught up in a domestic dispute involving a firearm that kept Azzhola and Berman in prime time Knicks bashing mode. By now, Walsh was being thrown under the bus, wheelchair and all. And Chandler spent the season ringing up technical fouls for, well, just being an a-hole on the court just about every time he set foot on the court.

Yeah, the good old days when today's Jax bashers were convinced "there is no way Jax can trade Felton or Chandler. NO WAY. Our players suck compare to all the other players in the league". Yep. Jax should have been able to do some other magical thinking maneuvers to have gotten exactly the right players in return. Not that we weren't thrilled to actually have acquired two second round picks in a draft year when we had ZERO.

Oh, oh, let's NOT forget Fisher's contribution to dysfunction by getting cought up in an extramarital affair that played out as a public fist-fight. Let's blame Phil for something there too.

The fumes of Bargnani still permeated the rafters at MSG. And when we tried to resign Lin of course Houston twisted the knife in our backs pretty well.

So yeah, its easy to see how its all Jax's fault, the Knicks world is an imperfect one - what else to do but blame the administration for the will of the basketball gods.

Idiots.

It's easy to see you're on the msg payroll because you always blame the players and never any management decision.

Re-signing Lin? Huh? That happened two years before Jackson arrived.

If Phil wanted to blow it up, maybe he should've moved Melo when he could've gotten something in return for him. It's funny how all the supposed worthless untradeable Knicks are still in the league and most of the guys Phil traded Tyson and Felton for are out of the league. Funny how you can trade almost anything if you're willing to take garbage in return.

Also, funny to blame Fisher who was handpicked by Jackson.

Blame annnnnyone but Jackson. It's cool. By the way that team of garbage parts that Phil had to give away for dog poop finished the season 14-6. No roster Phil has ever assembled here in the three years since then has ever won 14 out of 20 games at any point.

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:This is what the reality looked like

Jackson inherits a Knicks' roster that doesn't have much flexibility in the near future.

With or without Anthony, the Knicks are expected to be over the salary cap this summer because of the contracts of Amar'e Stoudemire ($23.4 million), Tyson Chandler ($14.6 million) and Andrea Bargnani ($11.5 million), which run through 2014-15.

So Jackson probably will have to trade one of those three players if he wants to reshape the roster.

Oh, that's way too rosy a picture of what Jax inherited. There was Amare punching a fire hydrant. Then we had Felton caught up in a domestic dispute involving a firearm that kept Azzhola and Berman in prime time Knicks bashing mode. By now, Walsh was being thrown under the bus, wheelchair and all. And Chandler spent the season ringing up technical fouls for, well, just being an a-hole on the court just about every time he set foot on the court.

Yeah, the good old days when today's Jax bashers were convinced "there is no way Jax can trade Felton or Chandler. NO WAY. Our players suck compare to all the other players in the league". Yep. Jax should have been able to do some other magical thinking maneuvers to have gotten exactly the right players in return. Not that we weren't thrilled to actually have acquired two second round picks in a draft year when we had ZERO.

Oh, oh, let's NOT forget Fisher's contribution to dysfunction by getting cought up in an extramarital affair that played out as a public fist-fight. Let's blame Phil for something there too.

The fumes of Bargnani still permeated the rafters at MSG. And when we tried to resign Lin of course Houston twisted the knife in our backs pretty well.

So yeah, its easy to see how its all Jax's fault, the Knicks world is an imperfect one - what else to do but blame the administration for the will of the basketball gods.

Idiots.

It's easy to see you're on the msg payroll because you always blame the players and never any management decision.

Re-signing Lin? Huh? That happened two years before Jackson arrived.

If Phil wanted to blow it up, maybe he should've moved Melo when he could've gotten something in return for him. It's funny how all the supposed worthless untradeable Knicks are still in the league and most of the guys Phil traded Tyson and Felton for are out of the league. Funny how you can trade almost anything if you're willing to take garbage in return.

Also, funny to blame Fisher who was handpicked by Jackson.

Blame annnnnyone but Jackson. It's cool. By the way that team of garbage parts that Phil had to give away for dog poop finished the season 14-6. No roster Phil has ever assembled here in the three years since then has ever won 14 out of 20 games at any point.

Yeah, I do lose track of how smoothly the Knicks functioned before Phil. Boy do we miss those days.

You know people like you dump on everyone wearing a knicks jersey and then whine as if we just traded Lebron for Noah. I was even good with what Isiah tried to do. It ended disastrously but he played a very limited set of options he was given and failed. I forgive him.

Running the Knicks is not easy and all you armchair GMs make it sound like child's play. Grow the F up. If you are looking for perfection given where we've been you will never be content even when we start winning.

fwk00 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:This is what the reality looked like

Jackson inherits a Knicks' roster that doesn't have much flexibility in the near future.

With or without Anthony, the Knicks are expected to be over the salary cap this summer because of the contracts of Amar'e Stoudemire ($23.4 million), Tyson Chandler ($14.6 million) and Andrea Bargnani ($11.5 million), which run through 2014-15.

So Jackson probably will have to trade one of those three players if he wants to reshape the roster.

Oh, that's way too rosy a picture of what Jax inherited. There was Amare punching a fire hydrant. Then we had Felton caught up in a domestic dispute involving a firearm that kept Azzhola and Berman in prime time Knicks bashing mode. By now, Walsh was being thrown under the bus, wheelchair and all. And Chandler spent the season ringing up technical fouls for, well, just being an a-hole on the court just about every time he set foot on the court.

Yeah, the good old days when today's Jax bashers were convinced "there is no way Jax can trade Felton or Chandler. NO WAY. Our players suck compare to all the other players in the league". Yep. Jax should have been able to do some other magical thinking maneuvers to have gotten exactly the right players in return. Not that we weren't thrilled to actually have acquired two second round picks in a draft year when we had ZERO.

Oh, oh, let's NOT forget Fisher's contribution to dysfunction by getting cought up in an extramarital affair that played out as a public fist-fight. Let's blame Phil for something there too.

The fumes of Bargnani still permeated the rafters at MSG. And when we tried to resign Lin of course Houston twisted the knife in our backs pretty well.

So yeah, its easy to see how its all Jax's fault, the Knicks world is an imperfect one - what else to do but blame the administration for the will of the basketball gods.

Idiots.

It's easy to see you're on the msg payroll because you always blame the players and never any management decision.

Re-signing Lin? Huh? That happened two years before Jackson arrived.

If Phil wanted to blow it up, maybe he should've moved Melo when he could've gotten something in return for him. It's funny how all the supposed worthless untradeable Knicks are still in the league and most of the guys Phil traded Tyson and Felton for are out of the league. Funny how you can trade almost anything if you're willing to take garbage in return.

Also, funny to blame Fisher who was handpicked by Jackson.

Blame annnnnyone but Jackson. It's cool. By the way that team of garbage parts that Phil had to give away for dog poop finished the season 14-6. No roster Phil has ever assembled here in the three years since then has ever won 14 out of 20 games at any point.

Yeah, I do lose track of how smoothly the Knicks functioned before Phil. Boy do we miss those days.

You know people like you dump on everyone wearing a knicks jersey and then whine as if we just traded Lebron for Noah. I was even good with what Isiah tried to do. It ended disastrously but he played a very limited set of options he was given and failed. I forgive him.

Running the Knicks is not easy and all you armchair GMs make it sound like child's play. Grow the F up. If you are looking for perfection given where we've been you will never be content even when we start winning.

Forgive Isiah? lol

Aren't you the same guy who has been going around proclaiming Dolan is a great owner?

I think this account is definitely Dolan himself or an MSG employee.