crzymdups wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/did-knicks-stop-derrick-rose-from-taking-another-chicago-trip/

Rose never took a flight to Chicago, but whether he was grounded by the Knicks is up in the air — pun intended.

Rose attended Saturday’s morning shootaround before the Knicks faced the 76ers at the Garden. On Friday, Rose twice told reporters he had to hurry up the interviews because he had a flight to catch. He added it was to Chicago.

Knicks officials responded later, saying Rose was joking.

Before the Sixers game, Rose, asked to clarify, didn’t sound playful.

“I don’t even want to talk about that, bro,’’ Rose said. “I’m here. I wasn’t trolling either, bro.”

Have you ever seen it so clear a guy doesn't want to be here??

Can we please just cut this guy?

If the Knicks are making all moves now based on developing KP and making it his team the Rubio deal needed to happen. Ian Begley was a guest on Locked On Knicks yesterday and said that the Knicks wanted another asset to come in the deal with Rubio. He said that in the end he heard that the Knicks offered Rose for Rubio straight up. He said he wasn't sure why Thibs balked. He said that he had heard some speculation that the Wolves were concerned with how much Rose was going to seek to resign with them.

I think the Knicks should waive him, just after the deadline where a player is eligible for the playoffs. If Rose had been a good soldier this year, I think you do that for him, let him play for a contender, but since he has been a complete douchebag, I think you cut him and not let him play for a contender.

Jerry Jones and Tony Romo, as it is being rumored, have a handshake deal where if it turns out the Cowboys can trade him, they will do so to a team he wants to go to, even within the same division, as Romo has been a good soldier for them and Jones has always been good to his players.

You do your job, odds are if the franchise can lean your way a little, they often do. Be a jerk, well, you get what you deserve.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/did-knicks-stop-derrick-rose-from-taking-another-chicago-trip/

Rose never took a flight to Chicago, but whether he was grounded by the Knicks is up in the air — pun intended.

Rose attended Saturday’s morning shootaround before the Knicks faced the 76ers at the Garden. On Friday, Rose twice told reporters he had to hurry up the interviews because he had a flight to catch. He added it was to Chicago.

Knicks officials responded later, saying Rose was joking.

Before the Sixers game, Rose, asked to clarify, didn’t sound playful.

“I don’t even want to talk about that, bro,’’ Rose said. “I’m here. I wasn’t trolling either, bro.”

Have you ever seen it so clear a guy doesn't want to be here??

Can we please just cut this guy?

Berman was talking about him possibly going awol the other day. He wanted to cut an interview short because he was going to catch a flight to Chicago. But Berman was the only guy that wrote about it and it was speculation on his part.

If the Knicks are making all moves now based on developing KP and making it his team the Rubio deal needed to happen. Ian Begley was a guest on Locked On Knicks yesterday and said that the Knicks wanted another asset to come in the deal with Rubio. He said that in the end he heard that the Knicks offered Rose for Rubio straight up. He said he wasn't sure why Thibs balked. He said that he had heard some speculation that the Wolves were concerned with how much Rose was going to seek to resign with them.

I believe all that about the Rubio trade - the translation is that Phil blew it by trying to get another asset. The Wolves would've pulled the trigger earlier in the week.

How is Berman speculating if ROSE says he has to cut short an interview to make a flight to Chicago and then when Berman follows up the next day to ask if he was serious, Rose says "I wasn't trolling."

I was at the game tonight. Rose's body language is horrible. He does not want to be on this team.

Nope, I think Knicks intend to do the melo to Clips trade in the offseason- it makes no sense to have Rivers AND Rubio (especially when one is making $10mil the other $13mil) especially when you plan on drafting a PG. Likely that was why Phil would only do the deal with another asset- we'd be taking on 3 years worth of salary, for something that wasn't necessary- that's space that could be used to take on salary for a pick or asset (which is why he wanted an asset in this trade)

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/did-knicks-stop-derrick-rose-from-taking-another-chicago-trip/

Rose never took a flight to Chicago, but whether he was grounded by the Knicks is up in the air — pun intended.

Rose attended Saturday’s morning shootaround before the Knicks faced the 76ers at the Garden. On Friday, Rose twice told reporters he had to hurry up the interviews because he had a flight to catch. He added it was to Chicago.

Knicks officials responded later, saying Rose was joking.

Before the Sixers game, Rose, asked to clarify, didn’t sound playful.

“I don’t even want to talk about that, bro,’’ Rose said. “I’m here. I wasn’t trolling either, bro.”

Have you ever seen it so clear a guy doesn't want to be here??

Can we please just cut this guy?

Berman was talking about him possibly going awol the other day. He wanted to cut an interview short because he was going to catch a flight to Chicago. But Berman was the only guy that wrote about it and it was speculation on his part.

If the Knicks are making all moves now based on developing KP and making it his team the Rubio deal needed to happen. Ian Begley was a guest on Locked On Knicks yesterday and said that the Knicks wanted another asset to come in the deal with Rubio. He said that in the end he heard that the Knicks offered Rose for Rubio straight up. He said he wasn't sure why Thibs balked. He said that he had heard some speculation that the Wolves were concerned with how much Rose was going to seek to resign with them.

I believe all that about the Rubio trade - the translation is that Phil blew it by trying to get another asset. The Wolves would've pulled the trigger earlier in the week.

How is Berman speculating if ROSE says he has to cut short an interview to make a flight to Chicago and then when Berman follows up the next day to ask if he was serious, Rose says "I wasn't trolling."

I was at the game tonight. Rose's body language is horrible. He does not want to be on this team.

Nope, I think Knicks intend to do the melo to Clips trade in the offseason- it makes no sense to have Rivers AND Rubio (especially when one is making $10mil the other $13mil) especially when you plan on drafting a PG. Likely that was why Phil would only do the deal with another asset- we'd be taking on 3 years worth of salary, for something that wasn't necessary- that's space that could be used to take on salary for a pick or asset (which is why he wanted an asset in this trade)

Yup. Plus, don't mess with the tank job

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/did-knicks-stop-derrick-rose-from-taking-another-chicago-trip/

Rose never took a flight to Chicago, but whether he was grounded by the Knicks is up in the air — pun intended.

Rose attended Saturday’s morning shootaround before the Knicks faced the 76ers at the Garden. On Friday, Rose twice told reporters he had to hurry up the interviews because he had a flight to catch. He added it was to Chicago.

Knicks officials responded later, saying Rose was joking.

Before the Sixers game, Rose, asked to clarify, didn’t sound playful.

“I don’t even want to talk about that, bro,’’ Rose said. “I’m here. I wasn’t trolling either, bro.”

Have you ever seen it so clear a guy doesn't want to be here??

Can we please just cut this guy?

Berman was talking about him possibly going awol the other day. He wanted to cut an interview short because he was going to catch a flight to Chicago. But Berman was the only guy that wrote about it and it was speculation on his part.

If the Knicks are making all moves now based on developing KP and making it his team the Rubio deal needed to happen. Ian Begley was a guest on Locked On Knicks yesterday and said that the Knicks wanted another asset to come in the deal with Rubio. He said that in the end he heard that the Knicks offered Rose for Rubio straight up. He said he wasn't sure why Thibs balked. He said that he had heard some speculation that the Wolves were concerned with how much Rose was going to seek to resign with them.

I believe all that about the Rubio trade - the translation is that Phil blew it by trying to get another asset. The Wolves would've pulled the trigger earlier in the week.

How is Berman speculating if ROSE says he has to cut short an interview to make a flight to Chicago and then when Berman follows up the next day to ask if he was serious, Rose says "I wasn't trolling."

I was at the game tonight. Rose's body language is horrible. He does not want to be on this team.

Nope, I think Knicks intend to do the melo to Clips trade in the offseason- it makes no sense to have Rivers AND Rubio (especially when one is making $10mil the other $13mil) especially when you plan on drafting a PG. Likely that was why Phil would only do the deal with another asset- we'd be taking on 3 years worth of salary, for something that wasn't necessary- that's space that could be used to take on salary for a pick or asset (which is why he wanted an asset in this trade)

Even if Melo to the Clips wasn't in the plan. I don't see the knock on looking to acquire another asset in the Rubio trade even if it made the deal fall through. Knicks would be adding 7mil more in total salary and an extra year on the cap. Minny has a worse record then NY with Rubio supported by guys like Towns, Wiggins, Lavine(pre-injury), Deing, Muhammad. There is a good possibility that Rubio can come here and his flaws become exposed like Calderon and Rose before him. Yet we would be stuck with more salary and an extra year.

Phil has set the tone, either we are getting future assets back or no deal. No lateral deals with downside attached to it.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/did-knicks-stop-derrick-rose-from-taking-another-chicago-trip/

Rose never took a flight to Chicago, but whether he was grounded by the Knicks is up in the air — pun intended.

Rose attended Saturday’s morning shootaround before the Knicks faced the 76ers at the Garden. On Friday, Rose twice told reporters he had to hurry up the interviews because he had a flight to catch. He added it was to Chicago.

Knicks officials responded later, saying Rose was joking.

Before the Sixers game, Rose, asked to clarify, didn’t sound playful.

“I don’t even want to talk about that, bro,’’ Rose said. “I’m here. I wasn’t trolling either, bro.”

Have you ever seen it so clear a guy doesn't want to be here??

Can we please just cut this guy?

Berman was talking about him possibly going awol the other day. He wanted to cut an interview short because he was going to catch a flight to Chicago. But Berman was the only guy that wrote about it and it was speculation on his part.

If the Knicks are making all moves now based on developing KP and making it his team the Rubio deal needed to happen. Ian Begley was a guest on Locked On Knicks yesterday and said that the Knicks wanted another asset to come in the deal with Rubio. He said that in the end he heard that the Knicks offered Rose for Rubio straight up. He said he wasn't sure why Thibs balked. He said that he had heard some speculation that the Wolves were concerned with how much Rose was going to seek to resign with them.

I believe all that about the Rubio trade - the translation is that Phil blew it by trying to get another asset. The Wolves would've pulled the trigger earlier in the week.

How is Berman speculating if ROSE says he has to cut short an interview to make a flight to Chicago and then when Berman follows up the next day to ask if he was serious, Rose says "I wasn't trolling."

I was at the game tonight. Rose's body language is horrible. He does not want to be on this team.

Nope, I think Knicks intend to do the melo to Clips trade in the offseason- it makes no sense to have Rivers AND Rubio (especially when one is making $10mil the other $13mil) especially when you plan on drafting a PG. Likely that was why Phil would only do the deal with another asset- we'd be taking on 3 years worth of salary, for something that wasn't necessary- that's space that could be used to take on salary for a pick or asset (which is why he wanted an asset in this trade)

Even if Melo to the Clips wasn't in the plan. I don't see the knock on looking to acquire another asset in the Rubio trade even if it made the deal fall through. Knicks would be adding 7mil more in total salary and an extra year on the cap. Minny has a worse record then NY with Rubio supported by guys like Towns, Wiggins, Lavine(pre-injury), Deing, Muhammad. There is a good possibility that Rubio can come here and his flaws become exposed like Calderon and Rose before him. Yet we would be stuck with more salary and an extra year.

Phil has set the tone, either we are getting future assets back or no deal. No lateral deals with downside attached to it.

I guess the difference is thinking it would be a lateral move. I think Rubio would be a massive upgrade over Rose.

I agree I was somewhat hesitant about the extra years, though his salary at $13.5M is very reasonable in today's cap.

I just think we should not sign Rose and Rubio is better than a PG we can get in the off-season. Starting July 1 would you rather have Rubio for 2yr $27M or Rose for 3yr $75M (basically the Dwight Howard deal)? I'd definitely say Rubio at that point.

Melo to the Clips can't really be the plan - it's certainly an option, but it depends on a ton of variables. People here were acting like it'd definitely happen at the trade deadline this year and it seems like it never really even got that close. I don't think we can depend on a Melo trade until it happens. Not doing for Rose for Rubio because you think you might have Austin Rivers this summer doesn't really make sense. Also, all indications are that Phil would have done the deal if he got Bjelica - who seems to be in the Kuz mold anyway. So all that logic doesn't really work if Phil was willing to throw it all out the window if the Wolves included Bjelica. Also, it doesn't work because Phil blinked and 5min to the deadline tried to get just Rose for Rubio done.

Anyway - I was curious about how Rose would do here. I was rooting for him. But it was a straight up disaster. I would try to cut ties as soon as possible and I cannot believe that Phil had the chance to get him off the team for a guy who would actually be an upgrade and didn't do it.

Bjelica is considered a 2nd asset that could be apart of the team long term or maybe developed and moved for another piece later. With or without Rubio we are probably gonna be a lottery team next year as well unless we strike absolute gold in the draft.

Phil willing to do the deal but Minny balking we don't know if true or not. What we do know is that the deal wasn't made because Phil wanted a 2nd asset. If that's not true then the only other conclusion is that the deal wasn't made because Minny wanted Rose and another asset themselves. For all we know Minny was never serious and were using the Knicks to drive up the price on another team.

They'd still have to gamble that he signs with another team, but after his unstable behavior and knowing that Thibs may possibly have had reservations he isn't going to be getting a whole lot from anyone this summer. And he shouldn't.