crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Says reporters whose livelihood depends on getting these things right.

C'mon, man - you really think this stuff is completely made up?

This is fake shyt. They didn't even sniff out the Mavs trade or Bulls trade or any trade that happened.

Let me ask you this - why would professional reporters from different media companies make up the same fake news?

If it's fake, why do so many different companies have it down?

The better question is why didn't they get anything right? Lively hood my ass. They throw stuff out there hoping it sticks.

crzymdups wrote:LOL. I love everyone griping about Fake News with regards to the fact that Phil did absolutely nothing for a second straight year at the trade deadline.

How can you even defend Phil? We all agreed moving Rose for Rubio was the right move, but they messed it up. That was a simple, easy, good trade and Phil tried to milk it for another asset which he was never getting.

not sure it's that simple. Minny if they really want Rose can sign him this SUmmer, so they could play hardball. They're not going anywhere this year.

Also Rubio has had health/knee issues and isn't a bargain himself (not killer bad but we're complaining at Lee for 12 mill; well that's a better deal than Rubio). I can totally see why there was hesitation -- Rubio was not a no brainer.

What is a no-brainer is that Rose doesn't fit and we shouldn't resign him, which is exactly what we will do (fingers crossed).

Our number one goal should be to avoid painful mistakes.

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Agreed. I'm not crying in my beer over this missed opportunity. I thought the trade for Rubio made sense, but it wasn't riskless, e.g., problem knees, can't shoot. I respect that it was not a simple decision, and appreciate that we actually wanted more for a change

And in the even that Minny still wants him bad, I believe we still have the rights for any sign and trade in the Summer -- for Minny or anyone else.

nyknickzingis wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

This is what Marc Stein tweeted

"At the finish line, Knicks were willing to deal Rose for Rubio. Wolves balked".

Do we know how a negotiation goes? It does't go "Hey give me your first offer, I'll run and take it".
You go back and forth, and you try to get something done.
You don't go with your best offer until the end.

I wanted Rubio, but I also want to see who we draft and what the situation is like 3 months from now, We will likely look to trade Melo. What if we wind up with a point guard in that trade? Rubio's less valuable in that scenario. What if we draft a point guard? Again rather sign Jennnings and develop the PG we drafted.

So lets see how this all plays out. I want changes and I really wanted Rubio over Rose. However I am excited about the draft, a probably Melo trade, and who Knicks can sign in free agency. I'll reserve judgements until July 15-20, 2017. Hopefully we end up with better than what we may have been able to pull off today.

Agreed.

Also think of the two possibilities. One, this lights a fire under Rose's butt (e.g., to play D) so he can increase his value in the Summer. Knicks can benefit via sign and trade. Two, he doesn't change, we continue to lose (draft better), and let him walk and we get tons of cap space.

We can always revisit Rubio for Rose in the Summer -- though I don't "really" want Rubio so much as I think he might improve things. There may be better options come Summer

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Says reporters whose livelihood depends on getting these things right.

C'mon, man - you really think this stuff is completely made up?

This is fake shyt. They didn't even sniff out the Mavs trade or Bulls trade or any trade that happened.

Let me ask you this - why would professional reporters from different media companies make up the same fake news?

If it's fake, why do so many different companies have it down?

Are you like 5 years old? Or born in 1925? The media makes the most money thrive controversy and lies that make the controversy thrive.

So Phil doesn't make a move... Plenty of trans didn't make a move... but because the media rumors didn't come true, than its Phil's fault nothing happened? Come on man

No, it's Phil's fault nothing happened because nothing happened. Two trade deadlines in a row, the Knicks have sucked and Phil did nothing. Or is that made up?

The media has been reporting for over a week that the Bulls were trying to trade Taj Gibson. That happened today. Was that made up? Did they make it up and get lucky?

The amount of bending over backwards you have to do to act like Phil did a good job at the trade deadline and the media is just out to get him is humorous.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Says reporters whose livelihood depends on getting these things right.

C'mon, man - you really think this stuff is completely made up?

This is fake shyt. They didn't even sniff out the Mavs trade or Bulls trade or any trade that happened.

Let me ask you this - why would professional reporters from different media companies make up the same fake news?

If it's fake, why do so many different companies have it down?

Are you like 5 years old? Or born in 1925? The media makes the most money thrive controversy and lies that make the controversy thrive.

So Phil doesn't make a move... Plenty of trans didn't make a move... but because the media rumors didn't come true, than its Phil's fault nothing happened? Come on man

No, it's Phil's fault nothing happened because nothing happened. Two trade deadlines in a row, the Knicks have sucked and Phil did nothing. Or is that made up?

The media has been reporting for over a week that the Bulls were trying to trade Taj Gibson. That happened today. Was that made up? Did they make it up and get lucky?

The amount of bending over backwards you have to do to act like Phil did a good job at the trade deadline and the media is just out to get him is humorous.

To be fair where does he say he did a good job? I think he's just reserving blame. I think Rubio for Rose might help us but also adds salary and isnt a talent upgrade. So that aside whats the beef? KOQ or Lee for first rounders? Maybe he likes those plays for next year. I do. There is no Phil apologizing. There are a lot of teams in our predicament who did nothing. Sometimes just doing something to do it hurts more than helps.

Two days ago almost everyone here was saying Rubio was an upgrade over Rose, from the perspective that he'd move the ball and help KP's development. Phil whiffs badly and all the sudden the rumors were made up and we don't know anything. Oooook.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Says reporters whose livelihood depends on getting these things right.

C'mon, man - you really think this stuff is completely made up?

This is fake shyt. They didn't even sniff out the Mavs trade or Bulls trade or any trade that happened.

Let me ask you this - why would professional reporters from different media companies make up the same fake news?

If it's fake, why do so many different companies have it down?

Are you like 5 years old? Or born in 1925? The media makes the most money thrive controversy and lies that make the controversy thrive.

So Phil doesn't make a move... Plenty of trans didn't make a move... but because the media rumors didn't come true, than its Phil's fault nothing happened? Come on man

No, it's Phil's fault nothing happened because nothing happened. Two trade deadlines in a row, the Knicks have sucked and Phil did nothing. Or is that made up?

The media has been reporting for over a week that the Bulls were trying to trade Taj Gibson. That happened today. Was that made up? Did they make it up and get lucky?

The amount of bending over backwards you have to do to act like Phil did a good job at the trade deadline and the media is just out to get him is humorous.

That's the thing, nobody is saying Phil did a good job. I'm just not going to live my life believing what a douche bag reporter says when they dis knick fans and new York 24/7.... the truth is Phil didn't want to just do a trade just to do it without getting something extra for the franchise. I can deal with that.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The reports I read state that Wolves (Per Marc Stein) didn't want to do Rose/Rubio in the end. People have to understand, Rose is not regarded as a good player in the league anymore. The best we could do is the team who had a coach he was a MVP for and probably his biggest fan in the league, who ran the basketball operations. He had interest, but not enough to give us Rubio. Stein has clearly stated that Wolves balked at Rubio for Rose.

Right now Rubio is a better asset than Rose.

For Rose, it should give him an indication what his market value is right now. I have my doubts right now that in free agency that Rose gets better than the Dwight Howard/Atlanta contract. 70$ million over 3 years gets you DRose. He may hate that, but there's no way I see any team pay him what he inititally thought his value was.

Phil could've gotten Rubio for Rose two days ago. Minnesota approached the Knicks.

Phil tried to get more, Wolves backed away. Phil got nothing.

This. Phil is in a race with Vlade for worst exec in the nba.

Says you guys. Anything to build on the narrative that Phil is an idiot.

Says reporters whose livelihood depends on getting these things right.

C'mon, man - you really think this stuff is completely made up?

This is fake shyt. They didn't even sniff out the Mavs trade or Bulls trade or any trade that happened.

Let me ask you this - why would professional reporters from different media companies make up the same fake news?

If it's fake, why do so many different companies have it down?

Are you like 5 years old? Or born in 1925? The media makes the most money thrive controversy and lies that make the controversy thrive.

So Phil doesn't make a move... Plenty of trans didn't make a move... but because the media rumors didn't come true, than its Phil's fault nothing happened? Come on man

No, it's Phil's fault nothing happened because nothing happened. Two trade deadlines in a row, the Knicks have sucked and Phil did nothing. Or is that made up?

The media has been reporting for over a week that the Bulls were trying to trade Taj Gibson. That happened today. Was that made up? Did they make it up and get lucky?

The amount of bending over backwards you have to do to act like Phil did a good job at the trade deadline and the media is just out to get him is humorous.

That's the thing, nobody is saying Phil did a good job. I'm just not going to live my life believing what a douche bag reporter says when they dis knick fans and new York 24/7.... the truth is Phil didn't want to just do a trade just to do it without getting something extra for the franchise. I can deal with that.

That's fair. If the logic at the end of the day is that Phil didn't want to commit to Rubio and wanted the cap space instead, I can live with that.

But that's different than saying the whole thing was made up.

Never said that. I'm saying these guys are trying to paint a picture like they were sitting in a room with Phil and Thibbs and Phil was looking like the lion from looney toons

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think most fans are disappointed that we couldn't make a deal that brought in another pick. It was more than just dumping Rose for Rubio. Phil can't be Knicks killed if he wanted more than just Rubio!!! How is that a sign of being a bad GM if you refuse to get hosed in a deal??? Teams must believe the Media Tripe that Phil was an easy mark and would give away assets for nothing or take on salary without getting a pick.

I think the guys that go deep into deadline stuff know the league and how much leg work, scouting and communicating goes on at the deadline. Guys kill Phil for not being one of those guys that puts that work in and for being a difficult guy for other front offices to communicate with. And the guys that talk about it aren't ny beat writers. At least some of them are guys that have worked in nba front offices and have peers that talk to them about this stuff. Phil shouldn't be killed for not making the Rubio move but his approach is ridiculed by some for a reason.

Phil is most likely NOT making all the calls since he's not actually the GM but the Prez and it's Mills who is most likely doing all the things a GM does. Phil isn't here to do what the GM does and the Media is being disingenuous when they try to say he's not acting like a GM!

TripleThreat wrote:

Welpee wrote:Knicks have at least three very tradeable assets: Rose, Lee, and KO'Q and swung and missed. Whatever they're paying Phil it's the worst investment in the NBA.

- Not many teams can do a salary match for Rose. Also he's a limited fit for a lot of rosters. Late team chemistry development is an open problem with deadline trades and some players are more perceived to be seamless than others ( i.e. the Phoenix Suns version of Grant Hill could play with anyone, in any team, in any system and fit into any locker room) while others become cautionary takes ( i.e. Rondo)

Why trade for a player likely to be cut anyway?

- As rumored and stated, the Knicks wanted a 1st round pick for Quinn, if that was so, they moved too late. The market was glutted with centers this deadline.

- Lee's back end of the contract, Years 3 and 4, are going to look really really really bad. The contract is not as enticing as some here want to make it out to be. Any team trading for Lee can't just think about this year, but the next three after it.

Rose - you only need one interested team to work out a trade. Thibs may have been the only coach/GM interested in Rose but no way that was just made up out of thin air.

Lee - He's scheduled to make 11.3, 11.8, 12.3, 12.5. If a team feels they're a 3 and D wing away from making serious playoff noise that contract isn't scaring off anybody especially in this new CBA environment.

O'Quinn - I've been advocating shopping KO'Q for weeks. His market value will never be higher. Even if the pick is down the road or heavily protected for the next couple of years, I find it hard to believe that no takers could be found. You have a big (Willy) who needs minutes and another big (Noah) you're stuck with and have to pay him. We're not going anywhere, we needed to move KO'Q.