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2/15/2017  12:06 PM
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2/15/2017  1:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2017  1:04 PM
crzymdups wrote:

Yeah, most likely you have to outlive Dolan if you want to see another Knicks championship.
Technically though I'm assuming this is referring to the value of selling the organization. It doesn't say anything about the annual profits the owner makes. That would be determined by annual revenues and expenses. Being located in Manhattan, the Knicks might also be the most expensive franchise to run.
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crzymdups wrote:

A lot of fans do not understand the business of entertainment.
It is not about being good or bad from morals point of view but rather from popularity point of view.
Is it a clown organization or some kind or role model is irrelevant as soon they can spin it to bring the public in.
MSG was great at it in both ways. They have clowns in Knicks and role models in Rangers plus used MSG as great venue for musicians and celebs of any kind. Even Dolan himself plays this game in the role of some public enemy #1.
Great job brings great financial results.

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2/15/2017  1:27 PM
Valuations. Own the building, TV revenue, advertisment revenue. I have a 28 pg MSG report on my desk and the valuations are compelling at current stock price.
Im not at liberty to share it, but basically Jimmy runs the gig but he has shareholders to answer to.

At this point Jimmy is not involved in basketball. The Oak thing is very small. Free agents understand that Oak is the only cast out. Who is at odds of the organization? Marbles? formally Spree? Who else?
I would suggest Boogie Cousins stay away from NYC.

Its about winning and contract size. Also, NYC is not for everyone. Jimmy and family own a good chunk of the shares and control the company. Its about ownership of it all, not just the knicks. MSG has no long term debt.
They can spend on what ever they want. Even on PHil.
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2/15/2017  1:33 PM
Also, MSG's stock has not done great. It was at $178 in Oct 2015 and is at 173 now. The Dow Jones has gone up almost 20% during that same time interval. So MSG hasn't been a good investment the past few years.
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2/15/2017  1:43 PM
you would need some hedge fund to buy up shares, and demand management unlock value by splitting up assets - and that probably doesn't work because of the way the Dolans are set up with controlling interests.
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2/15/2017  1:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2017  1:58 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Also, MSG's stock has not done great. It was at $178 in Oct 2015 and is at 173 now. The Dow Jones has gone up almost 20% during that same time interval. So MSG hasn't been a good investment the past few years.

Hence, "Compelling valuation"!

If you want a fair comparison, you need to look at relative performance vs. other Media companies.
Knicks only worth 3.3b based on multiple paid for Clippers, ATL, and SAC the last few years.

Knicks if so valued puts all other MSG properties at .75 cents on the dollar.
12 analysts have it rated a buy.

Nalod is by no means recommending anyone purchase this company, or sell this company. Nalod is only bringing this to a conversation suggesting that Oak is hardly a reason for Jimmy to even consider selling the team. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head regarding ownership of the stock. Most look for growth opportunities. If the company continues to trade at a discount Dolan should consider looking at taking it private, but he'll need an equity partner. That is unlikely. Dolan family could sell their stake, but it would at a premium.
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2/15/2017  3:01 PM
No Trump bump for MSG??...Dolan ain't selling, let's be real...
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Nalod wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Also, MSG's stock has not done great. It was at $178 in Oct 2015 and is at 173 now. The Dow Jones has gone up almost 20% during that same time interval. So MSG hasn't been a good investment the past few years.

Hence, "Compelling valuation"!

If you want a fair comparison, you need to look at relative performance vs. other Media companies.
Knicks only worth 3.3b based on multiple paid for Clippers, ATL, and SAC the last few years.

Knicks if so valued puts all other MSG properties at .75 cents on the dollar.
12 analysts have it rated a buy.

Nalod is by no means recommending anyone purchase this company, or sell this company. Nalod is only bringing this to a conversation suggesting that Oak is hardly a reason for Jimmy to even consider selling the team. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head regarding ownership of the stock. Most look for growth opportunities. If the company continues to trade at a discount Dolan should consider looking at taking it private, but he'll need an equity partner. That is unlikely. Dolan family could sell their stake, but it would at a premium.

I think if all the assets of MSG sold together, it'd be at least a $7B sale. Maybe $10B. That's a big empire.

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2/15/2017  4:22 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Also, MSG's stock has not done great. It was at $178 in Oct 2015 and is at 173 now. The Dow Jones has gone up almost 20% during that same time interval. So MSG hasn't been a good investment the past few years.

Hence, "Compelling valuation"!

If you want a fair comparison, you need to look at relative performance vs. other Media companies.
Knicks only worth 3.3b based on multiple paid for Clippers, ATL, and SAC the last few years.

Knicks if so valued puts all other MSG properties at .75 cents on the dollar.
12 analysts have it rated a buy.

Nalod is by no means recommending anyone purchase this company, or sell this company. Nalod is only bringing this to a conversation suggesting that Oak is hardly a reason for Jimmy to even consider selling the team. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head regarding ownership of the stock. Most look for growth opportunities. If the company continues to trade at a discount Dolan should consider looking at taking it private, but he'll need an equity partner. That is unlikely. Dolan family could sell their stake, but it would at a premium.

I think if all the assets of MSG sold together, it'd be at least a $7B sale. Maybe $10B. That's a big empire.

And the Dolans already tried to take it private- if I recall, they were rebuffed.
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I don't like Dolan much. But i like that he is willing to spend. Despite his issues I don't think it's impossible to win with him. He just consistently places his faith in the wrong guys. Always chasing "stars". He finally gave Phil Jackson full power. Jackson is responsible for this roster and record. Isiah let him down. Phil let him down. He needs to move away from "star" GMs. Get a hard working stat nerd to run the team and get out of the way again once Phil leaves.
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Sambakick wrote:I don't like Dolan much. But i like that he is willing to spend. Despite his issues I don't think it's impossible to win with him. He just consistently places his faith in the wrong guys. Always chasing "stars". He finally gave Phil Jackson full power. Jackson is responsible for this roster and record. Isiah let him down. Phil let him down. He needs to move away from "star" GMs. Get a hard working stat nerd to run the team and get out of the way again once Phil leaves.

This is the problem exactly - Dolan knows zero about basketball. He would never interview an up and coming GM. The guy only hires yes men or big names. He is a, egotistical, petty little man who would rather exercise feuds with the media and former players/staff than put together a competent basketball team.

Expecting Dolan to hire a qualified candidate GM is like waiting for hell to freeze over.

Who cares about spending if it's all for nothing?

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JamesKPolk wrote:
Sambakick wrote:I don't like Dolan much. But i like that he is willing to spend. Despite his issues I don't think it's impossible to win with him. He just consistently places his faith in the wrong guys. Always chasing "stars". He finally gave Phil Jackson full power. Jackson is responsible for this roster and record. Isiah let him down. Phil let him down. He needs to move away from "star" GMs. Get a hard working stat nerd to run the team and get out of the way again once Phil leaves.

This is the problem exactly - Dolan knows zero about basketball. He would never interview an up and coming GM. The guy only hires yes men or big names. He is a, egotistical, petty little man who would rather exercise feuds with the media and former players/staff than put together a competent basketball team.


Expecting Dolan to hire a qualified candidate GM is like waiting for hell to freeze over.

Who cares about spending if it's all for nothing?

This is life as a Knicks fan. May as well enjoy the wait! It's like being married. We are stuck with Dolan til one of us dies.

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