knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We should just take future picks even if it's 4-6 years from now-- it will be in the bank. I think it's going to be too much to picks for this year. Cap space and future picks. That's fine

what you got to keep asking yourself is, what contender has the ability to absorb the $54 mill, what contender is going to diminsish their depth for a 1 year run. Then force to pick up $2 role players that wont cut it.

You can think of it all if phils has the upper hand and can trade him any where, the player is not going to give at rats ass about making sure the trade benefits the franchise thats forcing him out ahead of his likings.

Phil made his bed, and now he needs to lie in it and make it right, and stop making emotional decision like a whinnny bitch. Stay focus and capitalize on the good he has done instead of setting us back 10 years with a bunch of BS trades and avg signings that don't amount to squat.

Making emotional decisions like a whiny bitch? When has he made a whiny decision? And like a bitch? Where is that coming from? What has Phil done that set us back 10 years? In my opinion he's done a great job bringing quality talent at reasonable cost. Nothing has made us win, but nothing has set us back in any way. If anything, Phil has been quietly plugging away at a long term rebuild. As of today without trading anybody we're all in great shape going forward.

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We should just take future picks even if it's 4-6 years from now-- it will be in the bank. I think it's going to be too much to picks for this year. Cap space and future picks. That's fine

what you got to keep asking yourself is, what contender has the ability to absorb the $54 mill, what contender is going to diminsish their depth for a 1 year run. Then force to pick up $2 role players that wont cut it.

You can think of it all if phils has the upper hand and can trade him any where, the player is not going to give at rats ass about making sure the trade benefits the franchise thats forcing him out ahead of his likings.

Phil made his bed, and now he needs to lie in it and make it right, and stop making emotional decision like a whinnny bitch. Stay focus and capitalize on the good he has done instead of setting us back 10 years with a bunch of BS trades and avg signings that don't amount to squat.

Making emotional decisions like a whiny bitch? When has he made a whiny decision? And like a bitch? Where is that coming from? What has Phil done that set us back 10 years? In my opinion he's done a great job bringing quality talent at reasonable cost. Nothing has made us win, but nothing has set us back in any way. If anything, Phil has been quietly plugging away at a long term rebuild. As of today without trading anybody we're all in great shape going forward.

at this point this dude is a troll. Topic doesnt matter, post is the same. Phil phucked my puppy and now my puppy is dead

he bitches about porzingis just as much too

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We should just take future picks even if it's 4-6 years from now-- it will be in the bank. I think it's going to be too much to picks for this year. Cap space and future picks. That's fine

what you got to keep asking yourself is, what contender has the ability to absorb the $54 mill, what contender is going to diminsish their depth for a 1 year run. Then force to pick up $2 role players that wont cut it.

You can think of it all if phils has the upper hand and can trade him any where, the player is not going to give at rats ass about making sure the trade benefits the franchise thats forcing him out ahead of his likings.

Phil made his bed, and now he needs to lie in it and make it right, and stop making emotional decision like a whinnny bitch. Stay focus and capitalize on the good he has done instead of setting us back 10 years with a bunch of BS trades and avg signings that don't amount to squat.

Making emotional decisions like a whiny bitch? When has he made a whiny decision? And like a bitch? Where is that coming from? What has Phil done that set us back 10 years? In my opinion he's done a great job bringing quality talent at reasonable cost. Nothing has made us win, but nothing has set us back in any way. If anything, Phil has been quietly plugging away at a long term rebuild. As of today without trading anybody we're all in great shape going forward.

at this point this dude is a troll. Topic doesnt matter, post is the same. Phil phucked my puppy and now my puppy is dead

he bitches about porzingis just as much too

Im not bitching dude, i just want to see better moves being made instead of going in circles, im sick and tired of rooting for the laughing stock of the league..I grew up in the EWING era, you can't knock me for wanting to win now..

I don't want to seem like im trolling either , but it's like some of you are taking the most optimistic look, when reality says other wise. I was one of the ppl saying we were definitley on the rise this season, believing we are on our way, cursing ESPN for there predictions

Now 3 months later there's trade talk about every one the team, even kp. You never hear me say i want KP gone, or anyone on this team, i just want consistancy, stability, a winning culture. Not a flip flop after every 7 game losing streak

All his short term moves have failed. Stop gaps. Nothing has really worked.

Longterm? The Knicks will have around 30 million in capspace this summer. More depending on what they do with Melo.
The will have a lottery pick.
They already have Willy, KP, Kuz as rookies/2nd year players who have considerable talent. KP should be an all-star, Willy will likely be a solid starter and Kuz a nice backup.

Phil did not have two key draft picks. The 2014 and 2016 draft picks were traded away before he got to NY.

We'll have lots of money this summer, likely again in 2018. That's all you can really do in the Knicks situation. They'll make a play for Hayward this summer (likely fail). They'll keep trying each summer to get a great young free agent. Meanwhile continue to plug away likehe has with Willy and Kuz.

I don't think Phil has shown he is worth the money Dolan pays him, but Dolan paid him that much because he knew he would take the pressure off Dolan and put it all on Phil. The media is all over Phil, and almost all but forgotten about Dolan. Phil's actual skill level as an executive is worth 2 million a year. He's getting 6 times more than that because of his name and how all the heat shifts from Dolan to Phil.

The one move that has really hurt us is Noah. Really bad one. However lets see what Noah is like next year. Perhaps he will get in better shape and come back better next year. He never recovered from the shoulder surgery to actually train and be in condition for this season. He still looks overweight. O'Quinn improved considerably by taking the team's advice to cut weight. Same thing Noah needs to do. He looks about 10 lbs heavier than he should be. He needs to cut weight, get back to being quicker and lighter so he can be more active. His game is all about activity.

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We should just take future picks even if it's 4-6 years from now-- it will be in the bank. I think it's going to be too much to picks for this year. Cap space and future picks. That's fine

what you got to keep asking yourself is, what contender has the ability to absorb the $54 mill, what contender is going to diminsish their depth for a 1 year run. Then force to pick up $2 role players that wont cut it.

You can think of it all if phils has the upper hand and can trade him any where, the player is not going to give at rats ass about making sure the trade benefits the franchise thats forcing him out ahead of his likings.

Phil made his bed, and now he needs to lie in it and make it right, and stop making emotional decision like a whinnny bitch. Stay focus and capitalize on the good he has done instead of setting us back 10 years with a bunch of BS trades and avg signings that don't amount to squat.

Making emotional decisions like a whiny bitch? When has he made a whiny decision? And like a bitch? Where is that coming from? What has Phil done that set us back 10 years? In my opinion he's done a great job bringing quality talent at reasonable cost. Nothing has made us win, but nothing has set us back in any way. If anything, Phil has been quietly plugging away at a long term rebuild. As of today without trading anybody we're all in great shape going forward.

at this point this dude is a troll. Topic doesnt matter, post is the same. Phil phucked my puppy and now my puppy is dead

he bitches about porzingis just as much too

Im not bitching dude, i just want to see better moves being made instead of going in circles, im seek and tired of rooting for the laughing stock of the league..

I don't want to seem like im trolling either , but it's like some of you are taking the most optimistic look, when reality says other wise. I was one of the ppl saying we were definitley on the rise this season, believing we are on our way, curing ESPN for there predictions

Now 3 months later there's trade talk about every one the team, even kp. You never hear me say i want KP gone, or anyone on this team, i just want consistancy, stability, a winning culture. Not a flip flop after every 7 game losing streak

the only trade talk about KP is in your and papabears posts. the dude is an alpha offensively and has had to adjust to taking a back seat to someone else, which i think he has done admirably. he also has had a pretty bad achilles this year, which thankfully isn't worse. you can do better than to bitch about kp. the coaching staff could also find better ways to get kp involved INSIDE the arc instead of hoisting up 3's, but that's tough when you have two players (melo and rose) who are both looking for open lanes inside. kp will be fine.

Thats my point, who was responsible for bring those two here. I don't want KP carrying this team at 21 years old or 22, or 23. More usage means a greater risk of injury, you have to know that.

Just think of all the players that tried to carry a team alone, injuries derialed their careers fast. Thats why melo was begging phil for help. It's like yoo im going to die here if you leave me to haul this sht on my own.

KP has already proven his not a iron man, why do you want this kid to run himself into the ground with the pressure to win in NY alone. We have to be smarter than that

Paris907 wrote:We can all bitch about Phil but here's My take:
I don't care about JR and Shump we they were malcontents and Melo unlike Lebron couldn't make them better. Hernangomez and Porzingis may both be long remembered in NY and Phil made it happen. Remember we were talking about Mudiay who Denver is wanting to unload. Lee, Owuinn, Jennings ($5MM) and Rose rental for a year were all solid moves. Yet the team doesn't jell defensively and with Rose, Jennings and Melo playing lax D it's no wonder. Phil took a gamble on Noah and was $72 million Wrong and that hurts. Yet he will end up backing Porzingis at the 5 and that will have to work. If Porzingis and Hernangomez end up being starters for years, at 22 and 22 respectively, that's progress and maybe Rose STICKS. Melo era is over. EnY and Briggs are right. Just secure future choices and unload. If there is a younger rotation player in the deal that's fine. You won't be getting Jimmy Butler or Love.

Good post - this is a good perspective.

The only thing I'm truly bummed about with Phil is giving up on Timmy Hardaway so quickly... but then if you have to give up on him, doubling down and getting rid of Grant so quickly too. The Rose thing was a gamble... too bad. It'd be kinda nice to say we have KP, Willy, and Timmy going forward. Timmy had 33pts tonight and helped lead the Hawks over the Rockets.

And yeah, I agree with Briggs' OP - there's almost zero chance we get a 2017 pick for Melo. Even 2018 is slim. It'll have to be 19, 20, 21. Still gotta get it though - those are the picks that come back to haunt the teams that trade them. The last pick the Knicks traded to get Steph Marbury went from the Suns to the Jazz in 2010... Jazz used it to draft Gordon Hayward.

nyknickzingis wrote:Phil has put the Knicks under the cap every single year since his first full season.
He has tried to draft players that can be part of the core, and traded for draft picks.
He has not traded away any future draft picks, despite trading for someone like Derrick Rose.

All his short term moves have failed. Stop gaps. Nothing has really worked.

Longterm? The Knicks will have around 30 million in capspace this summer. More depending on what they do with Melo.
The will have a lottery pick.
They already have Willy, KP, Kuz as rookies/2nd year players who have considerable talent. KP should be an all-star, Willy will likely be a solid starter and Kuz a nice backup.

Phil did not have two key draft picks. The 2014 and 2016 draft picks were traded away before he got to NY.

We'll have lots of money this summer, likely again in 2018. That's all you can really do in the Knicks situation. They'll make a play for Hayward this summer (likely fail). They'll keep trying each summer to get a great young free agent. Meanwhile continue to plug away likehe has with Willy and Kuz.

I don't think Phil has shown he is worth the money Dolan pays him, but Dolan paid him that much because he knew he would take the pressure off Dolan and put it all on Phil. The media is all over Phil, and almost all but forgotten about Dolan. Phil's actual skill level as an executive is worth 2 million a year. He's getting 6 times more than that because of his name and how all the heat shifts from Dolan to Phil.

The one move that has really hurt us is Noah. Really bad one. However lets see what Noah is like next year. Perhaps he will get in better shape and come back better next year. He never recovered from the shoulder surgery to actually train and be in condition for this season. He still looks overweight. O'Quinn improved considerably by taking the team's advice to cut weight. Same thing Noah needs to do. He looks about 10 lbs heavier than he should be. He needs to cut weight, get back to being quicker and lighter so he can be more active. His game is all about activity.

I agree with everything you said here and while the contract is bad. It's not horrible if the idea is for Noah to act as the vet leadership on the team.... especially if Melo is traded, especially if you got two young bigs who need some grooming. Obviously it's not a good contract but it's not the pile of basura that the espn and the daily papers are making it out to be.

Even this Melo situation isn't bad, it sounds like teams offered him scraps for Melo and he said no. Good, obviously you want to reset around KP, but a bad trade could make that even worse.

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We should just take future picks even if it's 4-6 years from now-- it will be in the bank. I think it's going to be too much to picks for this year. Cap space and future picks. That's fine

what you got to keep asking yourself is, what contender has the ability to absorb the $54 mill, what contender is going to diminsish their depth for a 1 year run. Then force to pick up $2 role players that wont cut it.

You can think of it all if phils has the upper hand and can trade him any where, the player is not going to give at rats ass about making sure the trade benefits the franchise thats forcing him out ahead of his likings.

Phil made his bed, and now he needs to lie in it and make it right, and stop making emotional decision like a whinnny bitch. Stay focus and capitalize on the good he has done instead of setting us back 10 years with a bunch of BS trades and avg signings that don't amount to squat.

I can't belive this is the same guy that called walsh's moves clumsy..smh

Back to your usual pattern of making foolish, flaming, h8r-bait posts? This one was a doozy. Get a clue.

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We should just take future picks even if it's 4-6 years from now-- it will be in the bank. I think it's going to be too much to picks for this year. Cap space and future picks. That's fine

what you got to keep asking yourself is, what contender has the ability to absorb the $54 mill, what contender is going to diminsish their depth for a 1 year run. Then force to pick up $2 role players that wont cut it.

You can think of it all if phils has the upper hand and can trade him any where, the player is not going to give at rats ass about making sure the trade benefits the franchise thats forcing him out ahead of his likings.

Phil made his bed, and now he needs to lie in it and make it right, and stop making emotional decision like a whinnny bitch. Stay focus and capitalize on the good he has done instead of setting us back 10 years with a bunch of BS trades and avg signings that don't amount to squat.

I can't belive this is the same guy that called walsh's moves clumsy..smh

Back to your usual pattern of making foolish, flaming, h8r-bait posts? This one was a doozy. Get a clue.

I complained about Woodson, they killed me for that, what happen to him
I complained about Fisher they said I was trolling, what happen to him
I complained about clueless rambis, they killed me on that, and he would be fired if he wasn't phills bud.

I'm not saying not trade melo, but phil better make a hell'uve trade, if he doesn't he'll be gone as well. I 'll put my house on it.