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mattinNH
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8/11/2004  12:00 PM
How do you all think our USA team will fare this year now that
we've seen how they are in exhibition. Think it will be the first
pro olympic team to lose a game? Will Marbury become the
big passer brown wants him to be?
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fishmike
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8/11/2004  12:06 PM
I think they will be fine. If you look at some of these box scores you see Marbury isnt even taking shots. Its obviously a major adjustment for him, but it will create more easy baskets and make him a stronger PG at the same time. I think a great PG that can score is much more valueable than a great scorer that can play PG.

The talent is still the best of the competition and I have faith in Larry B to get this squad playing at a high level.
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8/11/2004  12:15 PM
I've watched some of the exhibitions. I like the way Marbury has played. He's completely selfless and he's running the team well. I'm not going to congratulate him for it though - he's supposed to be playing like that.
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8/11/2004  12:15 PM
is Marbury even starting?

please tell me Wade is not starting over him?!
gunsnewing
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8/11/2004  12:18 PM
nevermind Marbs getting his fair share of minutes. I love the backcourt of Iverson and Marbury!
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8/11/2004  12:50 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

is Marbury even starting?

please tell me Wade is not starting over him?!
Yes, Marbury is starting. No smart coach would start Wade ahead of Marbury.
timmyTtop
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8/11/2004  1:51 PM
sry this is off the topic but in reference to hughes' post, i forgot who posted this, and was wondering whether it was true or not:

Then he goes on to bash Tim with the typical underachiever crap. Funny how he didn't mention that Tim averaged around 19ppg for us when he played over 15 mpg.

i remember tim always playing more than 15 mins, and avg'ed about 16 pts a game, when did he avg 19?
timmyTtop
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8/11/2004  2:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by gunsnewing:

is Marbury even starting?

please tell me Wade is not starting over him?!
Yes, Marbury is starting. No smart coach would start Wade ahead of Marbury.

i dont think its a bad idea to start wade over marbury. wade can pass as well as marbs and can score and penetrate which marbs is hesitant in doing.
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8/11/2004  3:12 PM
Posted by eViL:

I've watched some of the exhibitions. I like the way Marbury has played. He's completely selfless and he's running the team well. I'm not going to congratulate him for it though - he's supposed to be playing like that.

I feel like Marbury just has a bad rap. Critics keep calling him
a ball hog, shoot first, or flash more than substance pg. I don't know about his pre-ny days, because I paid less attention to him then, but as a knick, I've seen him be very unselfish with the ball.
Also, from his assists numbers and shots attempted stats during the
exhibition, I think he'll prove the critics wrong during the Games.
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8/11/2004  3:50 PM

Marbs and Craw will win the gold metal!
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8/11/2004  4:07 PM
Posted by timmyTtop:

sry this is off the topic but in reference to hughes' post, i forgot who posted this, and was wondering whether it was true or not:

Then he goes on to bash Tim with the typical underachiever crap. Funny how he didn't mention that Tim averaged around 19ppg for us when he played over 15 mpg.

i remember tim always playing more than 15 mins, and avg'ed about 16 pts a game, when did he avg 19?


Yes, it's true. If you take out TT's first game in which he played like 9 minutes and the three he left early due to injury (@PHO - injured dunking in 1st quarter and @PHI left after first quarter to injury and @CHI left in second quarter due to injury), TT averaged 19.1 ppg and 6.1 rpg or something close to that. He was a great player for the Knicks. Obviously, next year if Allan and Jamal are healthy, Tim won't get as many shots, but he's a very valuable player for us. He also is in the top ten in the league in mid-range jump-shooting (I believe he's fifth, as stated in an SI.com article from June).
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8/11/2004  4:09 PM
Posted by mattinNH:
Posted by eViL:

I've watched some of the exhibitions. I like the way Marbury has played. He's completely selfless and he's running the team well. I'm not going to congratulate him for it though - he's supposed to be playing like that.

I feel like Marbury just has a bad rap. Critics keep calling him
a ball hog, shoot first, or flash more than substance pg. I don't know about his pre-ny days, because I paid less attention to him then, but as a knick, I've seen him be very unselfish with the ball.
Also, from his assists numbers and shots attempted stats during the
exhibition, I think he'll prove the critics wrong during the Games.

Marbury is doing exactly what Brown has asked of him. It's funny that people criticize him as being too much of a shoot-first PG, then he goes to the Trials and passes all night long and ESPN doesn't mention it and only says his scoring is down. Don't worry, Larry Brown knows what Steph is doing. This team will not lose, Larry and Steph are smart enough to keep pounding it in to Duncan.
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8/11/2004  8:12 PM
I think the USA could be in big trouble. AI and Marbury are too similar, Marbury is a better passer but both think shoot first. Wade isn't even close to a ballhandler. Second, they needed a Ray Allen type or even a healthy Allan Houston (does he really exist?) to shoot when the pg's penetrate. Lastly, they have really only one bonafide superstar which is the great Tim Duncan. I wouldn't be suprised if they don't get gold.
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8/11/2004  11:24 PM
Just wondering--has any player in the history of the game other than Marbury every led the NBA in total assists and been called a "shoot first" player?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08/12/2004 04:33:12]
timmyTtop
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8/12/2004  12:51 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Just wondering--has any player in the history of the game other than Marbury every led the NBA in total assists and been called a "pass first" player?

lol no. i love marbury, he's got a lot of heart, which is hard to find in pgs.
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8/12/2004  8:36 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Just wondering--has any player in the history of the game other than Marbury every led the NBA in total assists and been called a "shoot first" player?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08/12/2004 04:33:12]

Ahh... a poster with some sense.

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8/12/2004  8:48 AM
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8/12/2004  11:25 AM

Team USA, needing the work, stays in Turkey to practice
Aug. 11, 2004
SportsLine.com wire reports

ISTANBUL, Turkey -- If the U.S. men's basketball team's wildly
inconsistent warmup tour accomplished anything, coaches hope it
finally delivered the message they have been screaming about:
Winning the gold medal in Athens won't be easy.
The team stuck around Turkey for an extra day Wednesday, getting in
a lengthy practice before it travels to Athens for what promises to
be the most competitive Olympic tournament since professionals began
playing in 1992.
Coach Larry Brown, both a perfectionist and a pessimist, still
doesn't believe his team is entirely ready for what's in store.
"I don't know where we are," Brown said. "We have good moments and
bad, but I have a pretty good understanding of who needs to play.
Now the job is to get an understanding of how we have to play."
Already, there is no question of who is the team's most important
player.
Tim Duncan has made it abundantly clear that he is the key to
winning a gold medal and keeping any further blemishes off an
all-time Olympic record of 109-2.
The two-time MVP and two-time NBA champion will be the most talented
big man in the tournament -- although Yao Ming of China is rapidly
gaining ground in that department. But if Duncan gets into foul
trouble or goes down with an injury, the Americans' chances will
drop precipitously.
Brown has settled on a rotation of Duncan, Lamar Odom, Richard
Jefferson, Allen Iverson and Stephon Marbury as the starters, with
Carlos Boozer, Carmelo Anthony, Shawn Marion, LeBron James and
Dwyane Wade as the key substitutes.
Amare Stoudemire and Emeka Okafor do not figure to play much, and
Brown said Wednesday he'll need to shorten his rotation even
further. Either James or Anthony will likely be the odd man out when
that happens.
"We're getting there, slowly but surely," Jefferson said. "Easily
we're the most talented team in the world, but it's a matter of have
we had enough time to come together as a team, to know each other's
tendencies and to understand what coach Brown wants."
The U.S. team's weaknesses have at times been glaring -- especially
on the first stop of their European tour when they were steamrolled
by Italy and needed a last-second 3-pointer by Iverson to defeat
Germany.
They have no great outside shooters, not a lot of height and only
one pure point guard, Marbury, whose career-long proclivity to be a
shoot-first, pass-second playmaker has put him fundamentally at odds
with Brown's vision of what a floor general should be.


"It's been good," Marbury said of his time thus far under Brown.
"I've learned a lot from him."
The Americans played their best all-around game in Belgrade when
they defeated the defending world champions, Serbia-Montenegro.
But they regressed again in Istanbul and had a difficult time
breaking away from Turkey -- a team, like Germany, that didn't even
qualify for the Olympics but still gave them all they could handle.
The U.S. team also did not face much zone defense in its final three
exhibitions, a trend Brown expects will be reversed once the games
start meaning something.
The Americans open Olympic play against Puerto Rico on Sunday in
Group A, the weaker of the two fields in the Athens draw. Their
toughest opening-round games figure to come against Lithuania and
Greece, and the team's first must-win game won't come until the
quarterfinals when the format switches to single-elimination.
That gives Brown almost two more weeks to continue shaping his team.

Many of the players conceded that the best thing that could have
happened to them was getting a taste against Italy of how high the
level of competition will be.
"The talks we had after that game, the humility we felt, we really
needed it," Odom said. "The key is to be confident and not ****y."


Do any of these sports reporters really watch the game? Marbury has started at the
exhibition games, plays about 25-30 mins, and hardly ever takes a shot because, well,
Brown has told him to pass to everyone. Steph seems to have taken that to heart, and
he's probably having a tough time acclimating, but he's definitely trying. I swear,
I think all these reporters just read each others articles and paraphrase.
Not one original idea among them! The day someone writes about how Marbury is the only
PG on the team and is actually doing fine, and was the only PG to be man enough
to accept the invitation, instead of ragging on him, I'll personally write them a
thank you letter. I mean, here's the situation, you invite every star you can think of...
most of them turn you down, then you ask Marbury "Please, come to Athens" He says,
"Ok, cool the Olympics" Now everyone says that he sucks. What a bum deal!
We're probably all biased and I'm just preaching to the choir, but there it is. HeHe.
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8/12/2004  11:37 AM
All Marbury has done is everything the coach has asked him too. I'm sure there will also be a time when Larry sees a matchup and tells steph to torch whoever is guarding him.

He's a gifted ball handler and an excellent on the ball defender like Childs was. Larrys a great coach because he will force everyone into a system that best complimentes the whole group.
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mattinNH
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8/12/2004  11:40 AM
Does anyone know if the game will be re-broadcasted at night?
Because of the time-zone difference, most of us will probably be
at work when all the games are on.
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