The damage is done at this point now the trade talks are out there- it's just creating a horrific atmosphere around the team.

Am I okay with Redick (he would have to be traded because he doesn't want to be here), Crawford (lord no) and Rivers? It's a huge anti climax. I could get to feeling better about it depending on whether you can get a nice pick for Redick and if you can get rid of crawford. Likely we also include Lee.

Lee and Melo for a possible late first and Rivers sounds like a joke (especially when you look at what Boston could have given us if they'd wanted Melo), but if it's the only deal on the table then what choice do you have? Take comfort in losing so badly we get a top pick in the draft.

The guy I badly want rid of is Rose- I can't stand him and I think he's a huge part of the poisoning of the team. Get him out of here.

He also has been gracious and respectful of the City, the organization and his teammates. Yes, I want him traded if it improves our team through the draft. Otherwise, I want him to stay here and finish out his contract.

As to losing this year, we seem plenty able to accomplish that with Melo playing. So I'd look to trade D "no pass" Rose to a team that can use his skills or need cap relief and has assets we need (and/or picks). I'd look to trade Lee since he has value due to his top 10 3-pt efficiency and solid D. I'd look to trade Noah, but that would be a fruitless search unless we find an ideal partner.

If Melo wants to stay, he can. But he will have to accept losing. If he doesn't like that, then he must WAIVE his NTC so we can get a worthy return. We gave up so much to get him, there's ZERO reason for Jax to panic and trade him for bubkis. That's idiotic!

smackeddog wrote:I don't hate Melo, but he needs to go for his own sake (why waste the end of your career here losing) and our sake- we can't build a contender in the time frame he has before he gets too old.

The damage is done at this point now the trade talks are out there- it's just creating a horrific atmosphere around the team.

Am I okay with Redick (he would have to be traded because he doesn't want to be here), Crawford (lord no) and Rivers? It's a huge anti climax. I could get to feeling better about it depending on whether you can get a nice pick for Redick and if you can get rid of crawford. Likely we also include Lee.

Lee and Melo for a possible late first and Rivers sounds like a joke (especially when you look at what Boston could have given us if they'd wanted Melo), but if it's the only deal on the table then what choice do you have? Take comfort in losing so badly we get a top pick in the draft.

The guy I badly want rid of is Rose- I can't stand him and I think he's a huge part of the poisoning of the team. Get him out of here.

Would have to agree. Although who is more to blame for the comment above?

Moonangie wrote:I don't want to get rid of Melo unless the trade is a 3-way that gets us a top 15 pick in the draft and a starter at the 1, 2 or 3. Otherwise, what's the point? Melo is NOT a cancer on this team. He may not be the piece we need/want, but he does what he has always done - i.e., score. He does it well. Anyone who thought he would be an all-NBA defensive stud wasn't paying attention to his entire career.

He also has been gracious and respectful of the City, the organization and his teammates. Yes, I want him traded if it improves our team through the draft. Otherwise, I want him to stay here and finish out his contract.

As to losing this year, we seem plenty able to accomplish that with Melo playing. So I'd look to trade D "no pass" Rose to a team that can use his skills or need cap relief and has assets we need (and/or picks). I'd look to trade Lee since he has value due to his top 10 3-pt efficiency and solid D. I'd look to trade Noah, but that would be a fruitless search unless we find an ideal partner.

If Melo wants to stay, he can. But he will have to accept losing. If he doesn't like that, then he must WAIVE his NTC so we can get a worthy return. We gave up so much to get him, there's ZERO reason for Jax to panic and trade him for bubkis. That's idiotic!

I have been reading the baords the past couple fo days...this is the best comments by far....

No rush...if we tell melo we are tankin...he can stay or go.

Nalod wrote:Its just buisness, not horrific to the team.
Its not good mind you.
Its not like there is a riff. Logic says melo gave a few teams he'd consider and Phil has to put it out there.
If there is a return, thats good. If it guts a team, melo not going to approve.
as for Phil and his throne, its someplace he has been for a while.

Melo is on the throne also. What if Melo is just about his point totals and little about team and Phil is just taking the rap?
so much we don't know.
Time to move on.

Weeks until deadline. Cav's are a freaking mess. I'd take Love is Phil, Warkentein, Gabriel, Gaines and the 100 or so assistant coach's like it.

These the same dudes that weighed in on the Calderon, Noah, Jr Smith, Shump, Hardaway deals as well??

MS wrote:Rivers is terrible and making 12MM a year.
We were trying to get Crawford off the books 7 years ago because we thought his 10MM contract was bad. The guys is making 12MM a year over the next two.

Phil's negotiating and devaluing of his players before he moves them is downright embarrassing.

Bobby Marks on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix:

I’ve talked to a lot of teams, and it’s not just the media that he’s not out in the public with. He’s not an easy man to get in touch with. If you’re going to try to make a trade proposal with the Knicks, you’re not going to Phil Jackson. You’re going to Steve Mills. And that’s how it’s been for teams in the trade process.

Andrew wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bobby Marks on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix:

I’ve talked to a lot of teams, and it’s not just the media that he’s not out in the public with. He’s not an easy man to get in touch with. If you’re going to try to make a trade proposal with the Knicks, you’re not going to Phil Jackson. You’re going to Steve Mills. And that’s how it’s been for teams in the trade process.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/27/teams-not-easily-reaching-phil-jackson-for-trade-calls-settling-for-steve-mills/

So teams are calling the Knicks? That's good. They need to communicate with Mills? So what? You think he doesn't pass it along to Phil? Phil has not said a word about Melo or really anything. How are people saying he is devaluing players?

Andrew wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bobby Marks on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix:

I’ve talked to a lot of teams, and it’s not just the media that he’s not out in the public with. He’s not an easy man to get in touch with. If you’re going to try to make a trade proposal with the Knicks, you’re not going to Phil Jackson. You’re going to Steve Mills. And that’s how it’s been for teams in the trade process.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/27/teams-not-easily-reaching-phil-jackson-for-trade-calls-settling-for-steve-mills/

So teams are calling the Knicks? That's good. They need to communicate with Mills? So what? You think he doesn't pass it along to Phil? Phil has not said a word about Melo or really anything. How are people saying he is devaluing players?

This is my thing. Everyone is getting mad and excited about reports from a media that never had a clue what they are talking about. They haven't been right about Phil from day one. They never know what he's doing until he does it.

Also Mills is the General Manager. That's his job to communicate with trans about trades, not Phil. I wish guys would cut it out. As I said before on here..... fans want the drama. That's what's fun to then, not the knicks.

Bottom line.... Phil knows what he's doing. Attention needs to be placed on how we can build going forward. Melo is at the end of his career. We should not be trying to build around him anymore. We could stand pat and do nothing and still be alright. We want to maximize our assets and prepare for the draft and the off season. That's what this is about.