Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

wargames wrote:

jrodmc wrote:His reasons for Melo to leave don't even reach the intelligence level of the haters on this board:

1) unnamed sources say... this is akin to saying nothing.
2) Melo is numb and not playing for anyone other than people on the team and in the lockerroom. Is he supposed to play for the GM and the President, I forget?
3) The Media Pressure. He's worried about Melo's health. So nice.
4) He's worried about Melo's age. Nice again.
5) Hey, the Knicks suck again. Melo's never been through that before, right? Hey old guy, go now, hurry!
6) Melo, I really really really want you to win a chip. Somewhere else. Anywhere else. Maybe China!
7) Melo is dynamic scorer, but is too slow to play SF, but too fragile to play PF. But he doesn't post up enough. But he takes too many jumpers. Or something. Maybe he could convert to playing free safety for the Jets...
8) Melo's fat and slow, by the way. We love saying this. Phil laughs so hard the seeds come through his nose.
9) Did I already mention the Pressure?
10) Or that the Knicks really suck right now? Phil is 70-something now. He repeats himself alot.

You can tell Charlie didn't get all this from Phil because the word triangle wasn't mentioned and Phil only makes at most, three sides to an argument. So there.

2) he's supposed to play to win.....

The whole article basically made it clear Melo didn't care about winning he just a wants to be in NY because he likes it here and loves the attention of being a star player in NY. As a human being I am fine with that. As a Knick fan I want him gone ASAP just because we need to do a rebuild and he could bring in picks. If he stays the Knicks will suck, if he leaves the Knicks will suck but with more draft picks/youth.

That's the whole article. While both choices are bleak the latter gives us a better chance to improve quickest to be ready to compete on KP's timeline

2) And you know he's just trying to knock down an open three because he actually is playing to lose, right? You scan his neurons every day and all that comes back is "Please lose this game, Please miss shots that matter, Please lose this game".

The whole article says nothing other than crap guessing. Melo must want to win, but only when it means he'd be somewhere else. Do you see how that's repeated ad nauseum?

How about noticing the bruising he takes night in and night out with no calls? Why does he continue to do that? Why does he ever bother playing brother ball with Kuz? Because these are facts that would negate negativity, and we can't have that in ESPN-HATE-THYSELF-NYC-AT-ALL-COSTS Knick fanland.

As a Knick fan I've noticed that Phil has already rebuilt the entire team twice. I also notice that the only thing that's not new and shiny is Melo, so obviously that means we cant' win with Melo. Even though we have. But enough about that.

Please continue hawking goobers down the Hinkie path, no matter what the Sixers do. That looks like so much fun.

Jr there comes a point where cutting ties to help the team makes sense. He should still be able to bring back a good asset tally. You said being the Sixers wouldn't be fun but all of these good teams got their players via high draft pick-- so did the Knicks 32 years ago. What's the difference in the melo Knicks and the 76 era anyway? They are just as good as us they beat us and now they will pass is unless we strategize a plan to re make part of this team. 15 years we spent so much money and we won 1 playoff series. Roi is worst in sports history -- time to change starting with getting younger

You make a reasonable point. But your excluding one thing...When we surrounded him with decent array of players to fit roles and some solid vets, then got out of his way and fed him the ball, we won 54 games. When we gave him a line up consisting of NBA rejects and forced him to go with the glorious TRIANGLE, we have done what? Your reasonable but now time to be objective.

and when Jason Kidd was making great decisions on the court!

Who do you surround him with now? And one can make the argument that Phil attempted that approach with Rose, Noah, Jennings and Lee. And while it's fair to criticize their individual and collective performances (if you're inclined) all you offer are vague suggestions that we would have been better to surround an aging (super)star with some others, unnamed role players to repeat a performance (2d round exit) when Melo was better. Why don't you illuminate us all and say what the roster would have been if you were supreme ruler; you'll even have the benefit of hindsight

Celts traded Pierce and KG even though they won a chip with them (and honestly should have knocked Heat out the next season but for bad reffing in game 6) to stockpile assets. We won't repeat that haul but it is a perfectly legitimate strategy to consider. He may be worth more to other teams than he is to us at present; and this doesn't have to be taken as a knock against Melo -- it could just be the reality. For example, i don't know how such a trade would even be possible but if i were the Cavs and looking at Golden State I might think more scoring could come in handy in the matchup. Personally I don't see this happening and don't see us getting max back; instead we have t the best we can with him, and for me the priority should be future-focused.

I'll iluminate you as the guy thats trying to **** on a 54 win season, and Melos year, by saying we didnt do anything except get within one game of the conference finals. And when was the last time, prior to Melo, we got that close? I know your not saying there was an effort to surround him with players in 2104 and 2015? And yes Phil has tried. Pretty decent effort except for a Kidd like PG and a Chandler like Center. Which is a center who plays good defense but not invisible on offense. But what I love about your comment is that your saying Melo, only All Star that wants to be here, does not give us a better chance to do the same. How many games have we lost by 3 or less? What would our record be if we won those? Not exactly blow up the roster/**** on the superstar type performances. Add the amount of injuries we have had. New team. But yeah, I get it, **** on the guy who has been our best player. I know that hurts for many on here. As for vague, I have said, since signing, Noah is our biggest problem/mistake! He puts KP and Melo out of position. Liability on offense, cant guard stretch offenses. And Whats our record without him? Is that vague? Do agree that it was tough getting a good point guard this past off season. Like Rose but not as PG.

maybe simpler words will help you. Who would you have surrounded Melo with?

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

wargames wrote:

jrodmc wrote:His reasons for Melo to leave don't even reach the intelligence level of the haters on this board:

1) unnamed sources say... this is akin to saying nothing.
2) Melo is numb and not playing for anyone other than people on the team and in the lockerroom. Is he supposed to play for the GM and the President, I forget?
3) The Media Pressure. He's worried about Melo's health. So nice.
4) He's worried about Melo's age. Nice again.
5) Hey, the Knicks suck again. Melo's never been through that before, right? Hey old guy, go now, hurry!
6) Melo, I really really really want you to win a chip. Somewhere else. Anywhere else. Maybe China!
7) Melo is dynamic scorer, but is too slow to play SF, but too fragile to play PF. But he doesn't post up enough. But he takes too many jumpers. Or something. Maybe he could convert to playing free safety for the Jets...
8) Melo's fat and slow, by the way. We love saying this. Phil laughs so hard the seeds come through his nose.
9) Did I already mention the Pressure?
10) Or that the Knicks really suck right now? Phil is 70-something now. He repeats himself alot.

You can tell Charlie didn't get all this from Phil because the word triangle wasn't mentioned and Phil only makes at most, three sides to an argument. So there.

2) he's supposed to play to win.....

The whole article basically made it clear Melo didn't care about winning he just a wants to be in NY because he likes it here and loves the attention of being a star player in NY. As a human being I am fine with that. As a Knick fan I want him gone ASAP just because we need to do a rebuild and he could bring in picks. If he stays the Knicks will suck, if he leaves the Knicks will suck but with more draft picks/youth.

That's the whole article. While both choices are bleak the latter gives us a better chance to improve quickest to be ready to compete on KP's timeline

2) And you know he's just trying to knock down an open three because he actually is playing to lose, right? You scan his neurons every day and all that comes back is "Please lose this game, Please miss shots that matter, Please lose this game".

The whole article says nothing other than crap guessing. Melo must want to win, but only when it means he'd be somewhere else. Do you see how that's repeated ad nauseum?

How about noticing the bruising he takes night in and night out with no calls? Why does he continue to do that? Why does he ever bother playing brother ball with Kuz? Because these are facts that would negate negativity, and we can't have that in ESPN-HATE-THYSELF-NYC-AT-ALL-COSTS Knick fanland.

As a Knick fan I've noticed that Phil has already rebuilt the entire team twice. I also notice that the only thing that's not new and shiny is Melo, so obviously that means we cant' win with Melo. Even though we have. But enough about that.

Please continue hawking goobers down the Hinkie path, no matter what the Sixers do. That looks like so much fun.

Jr there comes a point where cutting ties to help the team makes sense. He should still be able to bring back a good asset tally. You said being the Sixers wouldn't be fun but all of these good teams got their players via high draft pick-- so did the Knicks 32 years ago. What's the difference in the melo Knicks and the 76 era anyway? They are just as good as us they beat us and now they will pass is unless we strategize a plan to re make part of this team. 15 years we spent so much money and we won 1 playoff series. Roi is worst in sports history -- time to change starting with getting younger

You make a reasonable point. But your excluding one thing...When we surrounded him with decent array of players to fit roles and some solid vets, then got out of his way and fed him the ball, we won 54 games. When we gave him a line up consisting of NBA rejects and forced him to go with the glorious TRIANGLE, we have done what? Your reasonable but now time to be objective.

My take is the team is not just about Melo. I wanted Seth Curry for 3 years and 10 mm @ 26 and we grabbed Courtney Lee for 4 years 50 mm@ 31. I wanted to draft Malcolm Brogdon and Derrick Jones Jr I wanted to sign Christian Wood 3 years 3mm. What would be the difference other than we'd have 110mm less$ out there and 4 young players that we could've integrated all of them. Spending the money on " proven" vets like you said we wanted to surround melo was outrageously expensive and a massive failure. We need to get younger and more athletic. You can make mistakes with the players I mentioned u can't make them with Lee and Noah.

I'll tell you right now I'd like Rose back but we need to make it reasonable and a line in the sand or just accept he's not right for us. This is a good draft a game changer if we get top 7 and execute in the 2 nd rd as well. But if we can change melo into a top 10 pick + cap space and we have 2 top 10s we will not care if we do or don't have Melo

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

wargames wrote:

jrodmc wrote:His reasons for Melo to leave don't even reach the intelligence level of the haters on this board:

1) unnamed sources say... this is akin to saying nothing.
2) Melo is numb and not playing for anyone other than people on the team and in the lockerroom. Is he supposed to play for the GM and the President, I forget?
3) The Media Pressure. He's worried about Melo's health. So nice.
4) He's worried about Melo's age. Nice again.
5) Hey, the Knicks suck again. Melo's never been through that before, right? Hey old guy, go now, hurry!
6) Melo, I really really really want you to win a chip. Somewhere else. Anywhere else. Maybe China!
7) Melo is dynamic scorer, but is too slow to play SF, but too fragile to play PF. But he doesn't post up enough. But he takes too many jumpers. Or something. Maybe he could convert to playing free safety for the Jets...
8) Melo's fat and slow, by the way. We love saying this. Phil laughs so hard the seeds come through his nose.
9) Did I already mention the Pressure?
10) Or that the Knicks really suck right now? Phil is 70-something now. He repeats himself alot.

You can tell Charlie didn't get all this from Phil because the word triangle wasn't mentioned and Phil only makes at most, three sides to an argument. So there.

2) he's supposed to play to win.....

The whole article basically made it clear Melo didn't care about winning he just a wants to be in NY because he likes it here and loves the attention of being a star player in NY. As a human being I am fine with that. As a Knick fan I want him gone ASAP just because we need to do a rebuild and he could bring in picks. If he stays the Knicks will suck, if he leaves the Knicks will suck but with more draft picks/youth.

That's the whole article. While both choices are bleak the latter gives us a better chance to improve quickest to be ready to compete on KP's timeline

2) And you know he's just trying to knock down an open three because he actually is playing to lose, right? You scan his neurons every day and all that comes back is "Please lose this game, Please miss shots that matter, Please lose this game".

The whole article says nothing other than crap guessing. Melo must want to win, but only when it means he'd be somewhere else. Do you see how that's repeated ad nauseum?

How about noticing the bruising he takes night in and night out with no calls? Why does he continue to do that? Why does he ever bother playing brother ball with Kuz? Because these are facts that would negate negativity, and we can't have that in ESPN-HATE-THYSELF-NYC-AT-ALL-COSTS Knick fanland.

As a Knick fan I've noticed that Phil has already rebuilt the entire team twice. I also notice that the only thing that's not new and shiny is Melo, so obviously that means we cant' win with Melo. Even though we have. But enough about that.

Please continue hawking goobers down the Hinkie path, no matter what the Sixers do. That looks like so much fun.

Jr there comes a point where cutting ties to help the team makes sense. He should still be able to bring back a good asset tally. You said being the Sixers wouldn't be fun but all of these good teams got their players via high draft pick-- so did the Knicks 32 years ago. What's the difference in the melo Knicks and the 76 era anyway? They are just as good as us they beat us and now they will pass is unless we strategize a plan to re make part of this team. 15 years we spent so much money and we won 1 playoff series. Roi is worst in sports history -- time to change starting with getting younger

You make a reasonable point. But your excluding one thing...When we surrounded him with decent array of players to fit roles and some solid vets, then got out of his way and fed him the ball, we won 54 games. When we gave him a line up consisting of NBA rejects and forced him to go with the glorious TRIANGLE, we have done what? Your reasonable but now time to be objective.

and when Jason Kidd was making great decisions on the court!

Who do you surround him with now? And one can make the argument that Phil attempted that approach with Rose, Noah, Jennings and Lee. And while it's fair to criticize their individual and collective performances (if you're inclined) all you offer are vague suggestions that we would have been better to surround an aging (super)star with some others, unnamed role players to repeat a performance (2d round exit) when Melo was better. Why don't you illuminate us all and say what the roster would have been if you were supreme ruler; you'll even have the benefit of hindsight

Celts traded Pierce and KG even though they won a chip with them (and honestly should have knocked Heat out the next season but for bad reffing in game 6) to stockpile assets. We won't repeat that haul but it is a perfectly legitimate strategy to consider. He may be worth more to other teams than he is to us at present; and this doesn't have to be taken as a knock against Melo -- it could just be the reality. For example, i don't know how such a trade would even be possible but if i were the Cavs and looking at Golden State I might think more scoring could come in handy in the matchup. Personally I don't see this happening and don't see us getting max back; instead we have t the best we can with him, and for me the priority should be future-focused.

I'll iluminate you as the guy thats trying to **** on a 54 win season, and Melos year, by saying we didnt do anything except get within one game of the conference finals. And when was the last time, prior to Melo, we got that close? I know your not saying there was an effort to surround him with players in 2104 and 2015? And yes Phil has tried. Pretty decent effort except for a Kidd like PG and a Chandler like Center. Which is a center who plays good defense but not invisible on offense. But what I love about your comment is that your saying Melo, only All Star that wants to be here, does not give us a better chance to do the same. How many games have we lost by 3 or less? What would our record be if we won those? Not exactly blow up the roster/**** on the superstar type performances. Add the amount of injuries we have had. New team. But yeah, I get it, **** on the guy who has been our best player. I know that hurts for many on here. As for vague, I have said, since signing, Noah is our biggest problem/mistake! He puts KP and Melo out of position. Liability on offense, cant guard stretch offenses. And Whats our record without him? Is that vague? Do agree that it was tough getting a good point guard this past off season. Like Rose but not as PG.

maybe simpler words will help you. Who would you have surrounded Melo with?

You would have to reset and not have the contract of Amare and preferably Tyson taking up all of your cap space. But if you just start with the Tyson trade Crowder would have been a nice addition. Also the Knicks could have traded for Lowry. Lowry, Crowder and Melo would be a good start. Not sure but the contracts the knick management gave out and the picks that they traded were not Melo's fault. Only one first rounder was traded in the melo deal. Maybe draft Gobert instead of Hardaway, especially when you already have JR and Shump. A lot could have been done differently. The Knick management handcuffed themselves trading picks to clear cap space, making marginal picks when they did have a pick, signing Amare to the deal that the doctors in Phoenix said he would not be able to fulfill etc. The guys that have passed through during Melo's tenure have mostly been marginal guys who are out of the league or barely in the league at this point.

Fair enough, but the original premise was surrounding Melo with appropriate role players. I think we tried that -- twice at least. Once with Kidd et al. which worked to an extent, but they were old and we mortgaged our future. And we arguably tried again this off-season, but dealing with the options then at hand. Personally, I don't like that approach. I don't see how we do better than we did, when Melo was a better player. In addition, you have to contend with Cavs and Lebron (far superior to Melo in every imaginable category) surrounded by more than role players with guys like Kyrie and Love

Without any disrespect to Melo (who I don't hate -- but it's fair to say am frustrated by), we might be better off doing what the Celts or any other well run organization would do at this point. It all comes down to what options are available

Knixkik wrote:Does everyone really think this is phil talking?

Regardless the article is beautiful and takes so many subtle/not-so-subtle shots at Melo that Rose should be considered for a Pulitzer.

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

wargames wrote:

jrodmc wrote:His reasons for Melo to leave don't even reach the intelligence level of the haters on this board:

1) unnamed sources say... this is akin to saying nothing.
2) Melo is numb and not playing for anyone other than people on the team and in the lockerroom. Is he supposed to play for the GM and the President, I forget?
3) The Media Pressure. He's worried about Melo's health. So nice.
4) He's worried about Melo's age. Nice again.
5) Hey, the Knicks suck again. Melo's never been through that before, right? Hey old guy, go now, hurry!
6) Melo, I really really really want you to win a chip. Somewhere else. Anywhere else. Maybe China!
7) Melo is dynamic scorer, but is too slow to play SF, but too fragile to play PF. But he doesn't post up enough. But he takes too many jumpers. Or something. Maybe he could convert to playing free safety for the Jets...
8) Melo's fat and slow, by the way. We love saying this. Phil laughs so hard the seeds come through his nose.
9) Did I already mention the Pressure?
10) Or that the Knicks really suck right now? Phil is 70-something now. He repeats himself alot.

You can tell Charlie didn't get all this from Phil because the word triangle wasn't mentioned and Phil only makes at most, three sides to an argument. So there.

2) he's supposed to play to win.....

The whole article basically made it clear Melo didn't care about winning he just a wants to be in NY because he likes it here and loves the attention of being a star player in NY. As a human being I am fine with that. As a Knick fan I want him gone ASAP just because we need to do a rebuild and he could bring in picks. If he stays the Knicks will suck, if he leaves the Knicks will suck but with more draft picks/youth.

That's the whole article. While both choices are bleak the latter gives us a better chance to improve quickest to be ready to compete on KP's timeline

2) And you know he's just trying to knock down an open three because he actually is playing to lose, right? You scan his neurons every day and all that comes back is "Please lose this game, Please miss shots that matter, Please lose this game".

The whole article says nothing other than crap guessing. Melo must want to win, but only when it means he'd be somewhere else. Do you see how that's repeated ad nauseum?

How about noticing the bruising he takes night in and night out with no calls? Why does he continue to do that? Why does he ever bother playing brother ball with Kuz? Because these are facts that would negate negativity, and we can't have that in ESPN-HATE-THYSELF-NYC-AT-ALL-COSTS Knick fanland.

As a Knick fan I've noticed that Phil has already rebuilt the entire team twice. I also notice that the only thing that's not new and shiny is Melo, so obviously that means we cant' win with Melo. Even though we have. But enough about that.

Please continue hawking goobers down the Hinkie path, no matter what the Sixers do. That looks like so much fun.

Jr there comes a point where cutting ties to help the team makes sense. He should still be able to bring back a good asset tally. You said being the Sixers wouldn't be fun but all of these good teams got their players via high draft pick-- so did the Knicks 32 years ago. What's the difference in the melo Knicks and the 76 era anyway? They are just as good as us they beat us and now they will pass is unless we strategize a plan to re make part of this team. 15 years we spent so much money and we won 1 playoff series. Roi is worst in sports history -- time to change starting with getting younger

You make a reasonable point. But your excluding one thing...When we surrounded him with decent array of players to fit roles and some solid vets, then got out of his way and fed him the ball, we won 54 games. When we gave him a line up consisting of NBA rejects and forced him to go with the glorious TRIANGLE, we have done what? Your reasonable but now time to be objective.

and when Jason Kidd was making great decisions on the court!

Who do you surround him with now? And one can make the argument that Phil attempted that approach with Rose, Noah, Jennings and Lee. And while it's fair to criticize their individual and collective performances (if you're inclined) all you offer are vague suggestions that we would have been better to surround an aging (super)star with some others, unnamed role players to repeat a performance (2d round exit) when Melo was better. Why don't you illuminate us all and say what the roster would have been if you were supreme ruler; you'll even have the benefit of hindsight

Celts traded Pierce and KG even though they won a chip with them (and honestly should have knocked Heat out the next season but for bad reffing in game 6) to stockpile assets. We won't repeat that haul but it is a perfectly legitimate strategy to consider. He may be worth more to other teams than he is to us at present; and this doesn't have to be taken as a knock against Melo -- it could just be the reality. For example, i don't know how such a trade would even be possible but if i were the Cavs and looking at Golden State I might think more scoring could come in handy in the matchup. Personally I don't see this happening and don't see us getting max back; instead we have t the best we can with him, and for me the priority should be future-focused.

I'll iluminate you as the guy thats trying to **** on a 54 win season, and Melos year, by saying we didnt do anything except get within one game of the conference finals. And when was the last time, prior to Melo, we got that close? I know your not saying there was an effort to surround him with players in 2104 and 2015? And yes Phil has tried. Pretty decent effort except for a Kidd like PG and a Chandler like Center. Which is a center who plays good defense but not invisible on offense. But what I love about your comment is that your saying Melo, only All Star that wants to be here, does not give us a better chance to do the same. How many games have we lost by 3 or less? What would our record be if we won those? Not exactly blow up the roster/**** on the superstar type performances. Add the amount of injuries we have had. New team. But yeah, I get it, **** on the guy who has been our best player. I know that hurts for many on here. As for vague, I have said, since signing, Noah is our biggest problem/mistake! He puts KP and Melo out of position. Liability on offense, cant guard stretch offenses. And Whats our record without him? Is that vague? Do agree that it was tough getting a good point guard this past off season. Like Rose but not as PG.

maybe simpler words will help you. Who would you have surrounded Melo with?

Sorry, too busy putting aside your attempt to **** on a 54 win Melo season. But see no response. Or do I need to use simpler words?
Who would I have surrounded him with, let me give you a clue since you can't read, NOT NOAH. I'll take Rolo, Cole, Hibbert, any Center that doesn't cost 17M and can hit a foul shot. How is that for amazing GM abiloty. And, once again, we are not too far away from surrounding him with pieces to win, as suggested above. But that would be without Phil telling him not to hold the ball. Guard play, like Lee and would have preffered guys like Bayless and Augustin, **** even Curry.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

wargames wrote:

jrodmc wrote:His reasons for Melo to leave don't even reach the intelligence level of the haters on this board:

1) unnamed sources say... this is akin to saying nothing.
2) Melo is numb and not playing for anyone other than people on the team and in the lockerroom. Is he supposed to play for the GM and the President, I forget?
3) The Media Pressure. He's worried about Melo's health. So nice.
4) He's worried about Melo's age. Nice again.
5) Hey, the Knicks suck again. Melo's never been through that before, right? Hey old guy, go now, hurry!
6) Melo, I really really really want you to win a chip. Somewhere else. Anywhere else. Maybe China!
7) Melo is dynamic scorer, but is too slow to play SF, but too fragile to play PF. But he doesn't post up enough. But he takes too many jumpers. Or something. Maybe he could convert to playing free safety for the Jets...
8) Melo's fat and slow, by the way. We love saying this. Phil laughs so hard the seeds come through his nose.
9) Did I already mention the Pressure?
10) Or that the Knicks really suck right now? Phil is 70-something now. He repeats himself alot.

You can tell Charlie didn't get all this from Phil because the word triangle wasn't mentioned and Phil only makes at most, three sides to an argument. So there.

2) he's supposed to play to win.....

The whole article basically made it clear Melo didn't care about winning he just a wants to be in NY because he likes it here and loves the attention of being a star player in NY. As a human being I am fine with that. As a Knick fan I want him gone ASAP just because we need to do a rebuild and he could bring in picks. If he stays the Knicks will suck, if he leaves the Knicks will suck but with more draft picks/youth.

That's the whole article. While both choices are bleak the latter gives us a better chance to improve quickest to be ready to compete on KP's timeline

2) And you know he's just trying to knock down an open three because he actually is playing to lose, right? You scan his neurons every day and all that comes back is "Please lose this game, Please miss shots that matter, Please lose this game".

The whole article says nothing other than crap guessing. Melo must want to win, but only when it means he'd be somewhere else. Do you see how that's repeated ad nauseum?

How about noticing the bruising he takes night in and night out with no calls? Why does he continue to do that? Why does he ever bother playing brother ball with Kuz? Because these are facts that would negate negativity, and we can't have that in ESPN-HATE-THYSELF-NYC-AT-ALL-COSTS Knick fanland.

As a Knick fan I've noticed that Phil has already rebuilt the entire team twice. I also notice that the only thing that's not new and shiny is Melo, so obviously that means we cant' win with Melo. Even though we have. But enough about that.

Please continue hawking goobers down the Hinkie path, no matter what the Sixers do. That looks like so much fun.

Jr there comes a point where cutting ties to help the team makes sense. He should still be able to bring back a good asset tally. You said being the Sixers wouldn't be fun but all of these good teams got their players via high draft pick-- so did the Knicks 32 years ago. What's the difference in the melo Knicks and the 76 era anyway? They are just as good as us they beat us and now they will pass is unless we strategize a plan to re make part of this team. 15 years we spent so much money and we won 1 playoff series. Roi is worst in sports history -- time to change starting with getting younger

You make a reasonable point. But your excluding one thing...When we surrounded him with decent array of players to fit roles and some solid vets, then got out of his way and fed him the ball, we won 54 games. When we gave him a line up consisting of NBA rejects and forced him to go with the glorious TRIANGLE, we have done what? Your reasonable but now time to be objective.

and when Jason Kidd was making great decisions on the court!

Who do you surround him with now? And one can make the argument that Phil attempted that approach with Rose, Noah, Jennings and Lee. And while it's fair to criticize their individual and collective performances (if you're inclined) all you offer are vague suggestions that we would have been better to surround an aging (super)star with some others, unnamed role players to repeat a performance (2d round exit) when Melo was better. Why don't you illuminate us all and say what the roster would have been if you were supreme ruler; you'll even have the benefit of hindsight

Celts traded Pierce and KG even though they won a chip with them (and honestly should have knocked Heat out the next season but for bad reffing in game 6) to stockpile assets. We won't repeat that haul but it is a perfectly legitimate strategy to consider. He may be worth more to other teams than he is to us at present; and this doesn't have to be taken as a knock against Melo -- it could just be the reality. For example, i don't know how such a trade would even be possible but if i were the Cavs and looking at Golden State I might think more scoring could come in handy in the matchup. Personally I don't see this happening and don't see us getting max back; instead we have t the best we can with him, and for me the priority should be future-focused.

I'll iluminate you as the guy thats trying to **** on a 54 win season, and Melos year, by saying we didnt do anything except get within one game of the conference finals. And when was the last time, prior to Melo, we got that close? I know your not saying there was an effort to surround him with players in 2104 and 2015? And yes Phil has tried. Pretty decent effort except for a Kidd like PG and a Chandler like Center. Which is a center who plays good defense but not invisible on offense. But what I love about your comment is that your saying Melo, only All Star that wants to be here, does not give us a better chance to do the same. How many games have we lost by 3 or less? What would our record be if we won those? Not exactly blow up the roster/**** on the superstar type performances. Add the amount of injuries we have had. New team. But yeah, I get it, **** on the guy who has been our best player. I know that hurts for many on here. As for vague, I have said, since signing, Noah is our biggest problem/mistake! He puts KP and Melo out of position. Liability on offense, cant guard stretch offenses. And Whats our record without him? Is that vague? Do agree that it was tough getting a good point guard this past off season. Like Rose but not as PG.

maybe simpler words will help you. Who would you have surrounded Melo with?

Sorry, too busy putting aside your attempt to **** on a 54 win Melo season. But see no response. Or do I need to use simpler words?
Who would I have surrounded him with, let me give you a clue since you can't read, NOT NOAH. I'll take Rolo, Cole, Hibbert, any Center that doesn't cost 17M and can hit a foul shot. How is that for amazing GM abiloty. And, once again, we are not too far away from surrounding him with pieces to win, as suggested above. But that would be without Phil telling him not to hold the ball. Guard play, like Lee and would have preffered guys like Bayless and Augustin, **** even Curry.

for starters, i don't know why you keep saying I'm ****ting on Melo or the 54 win season, but whatever. Kind of Kindergarten rhetoric if you ask me.

I'm glad you're not our GM though -- even with the gimme of hindsight, these are your preferences?

Noah
GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
2016-17 39 23.0 2.4-4.8 .492 0.0-0.0 .000 0.8-1.8 .429 9.2 2.4 0.9 0.7 2.9 1.3 5.5
Career 611 29.0 3.5-7.1 .490 0.0-0.0 .000 2.1-3.0 .700 9.4 2.9 1.4 0.8 2.9 1.7 9.1

Hibbert
GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
2016-17 37 16.2 1.9-3.5 .534 0.0-0.0 .000 1.5-1.9 .800 3.6 0.5 1.1 0.2 2.4 0.7 5.3
Career 651 25.0 4.0-8.6 .464 0.0-0.0 .250 2.1-2.8 .755 6.4 1.4 1.8 0.4 3.2 1.6 10.1

aldrich
GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
2016-17 39 10.6 0.9-1.7 .523 0.0-0.0 .000 0.4-0.5 .667 3.3 0.6 0.5 0.5 1.6 0.3 2.1
Career 295 10.9 1.4-2.7 .531 0.0-0.0 .000 0.6-0.8 .747 3.7 0.6 0.8 0.4 1.6 0.7 3.4

rolo
GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
2016-17 45 28.3 4.3-8.8 .482 0.0-0.0 .000 0.8-1.3 .655 7.0 0.8 1.7 0.2 1.8 1.0 9.4
Career 592 22.6 3.5-6.6 .528 0.0-0.0 .000 1.6-2.1 .759 5.5 0.7 1.3 0.3 2.1 1.0 8.6

Id be real happy if he went back to his original plan. A gradual rebuild around Porzingis, no more expensive retreads unless its to get further under the cap. Phil has to forget trying to compete with LeBron, Curry, etc.. this team should be on a different schedule.

martin wrote:BRIGGS, you did want Seth at $6M per.

I "would've" paid up to 6mm a year--but I certainly wouldnt pay pass what other teams would pay. 3 years 10-12mm wouldve done it. Thats the whole gig--I would NOT spend my money on OLDER non star players. The only guy I was willing to pay up on was Crabbe at 17mm but he was not going to come here--hes also 23 at the time. So keep the money low and build athletic and young--save cash for the right time--the Knicks get it and spend it. Thats the whole game plan--get vets to build around Melo--it worked one time in 6 years and that fell apart when it counted.