BRIGGS wrote:They dont need Crabbe--they miscalculated their spending 100mm$ on essentially 4 guards. We have a player they can use--and could use badly in Noah. We do NOT need Noah--so why not trade 70mm for 70mm?

Hmm, interesting idea. Do you really thing Portland would take Noah after his showing so far this season? It would be amazing to unload him for a player we actually could use.

Moonangie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:They dont need Crabbe--they miscalculated their spending 100mm$ on essentially 4 guards. We have a player they can use--and could use badly in Noah. We do NOT need Noah--so why not trade 70mm for 70mm?

Hmm, interesting idea. Do you really thing Portland would take Noah after his showing so far this season? It would be amazing to unload him for a player we actually could use.

Hes rebounded the ball very well and hes more of a bigs leader than anything they have. Were talking big money from both sides--they could probably move Crabbe or even Turner faster than we could unload Noah--but right now all 3 are expensive pieces that are not easily exchanged

holfresh wrote:Noah is done..They wouldn't want him, they have a young team..They rather let Ropez walk than paying him 13 mil..In the Knicks signing Noah, the hope was that he was hampered injuries in the last few years like Rose, and he could regain some explosiveness and energy...But he doesn't have any of that...We have to eat his contract...I think you have the right idea tho..I would much rather go after Otto Porter who came into the league as a slasher, and an uptempo type player...Porter is shooting the three at a high percentage as you saw...

Again, is this the vision of the GM..Does he want to build a team of wing players as opposed to front line players??..I think we have to start looking at team direction...

holfresh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:Noah is done..They wouldn't want him, they have a young team..They rather let Ropez walk than paying him 13 mil..In the Knicks signing Noah, the hope was that he was hampered injuries in the last few years like Rose, and he could regain some explosiveness and energy...But he doesn't have any of that...We have to eat his contract...I think you have the right idea tho..I would much rather go after Otto Porter who came into the league as a slasher, and an uptempo type player...Porter is shooting the three at a high percentage as you saw...

Again, is this the vision of the GM..Does he want to build a team of wing players as opposed to front line players??..I think we have to start looking at team direction...

Trading one mistake for another mistake doesn't cancel the mistake out. We'd still be left with Crabbe, who I still don't want.

Agreed..

No one wants noah. It's one of the worst contracts in the nba

crzymdups wrote:IMHO the best we can hope for with Noah is that there is a new amnesty clause in the new CBA that takes effect July 1.

There isn't! Only one or two teams pushed for one, the rest said no, unfortunately.

wargames wrote:Maybe if we threw in a ton of second rounders (or a first)..... but I would prefer we just take or medicine on that contract and keep the picks

We don't need the cap space so why give up any second rounders (which we do need)?

smackeddog wrote:

wargames wrote:Maybe if we threw in a ton of second rounders (or a first)..... but I would prefer we just take or medicine on that contract and keep the picks

We don't need the cap space so why give up any second rounders (which we do need)?

Exactly, also knowing our luck they would ask for a first rounder. I like Crabbe.... and still think if they didn't have a glut at wing he could get better. But, I doubt anyone does a trade straight up for Noah. He is offensively looking like Jared Jefferies out there right now.

If the Knicks make a trade for Crabbe it better be because they think he can be a long term contributor because it's still gonna cost them some (at best) second round picks or a young player on a cheap contract to compensate the Blazers.

callmened wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

callmened wrote:Noah sucks. Crabbe is way more valuable due to his age and shooting ability.

No one wants noah. It's one of the worst contracts in the nba

1) They're both one-dimensional back-ups with bad contracts 2) I'd argue that Crabbe doesn't really give us anything that Lee and Holiday don't provide already. I could see it if he provided quality defense at the three-spot, but he doesn't. 3) Noah is still more productive than Crabbe.

perhaps one could argue that noah is more productive than crabbe (i wouldnt)but simply by age alone - id rather have crabbe

I could make that argument just by pointing at their stats. By I'll go a step forward...Crabbe's career season isn't that much different from what Holiday is doing. I don't see this huge upside in Crabbe. Yeah, he's probably better than holiday, but not a lot. He's a good shooter...That's pretty much it. He doesn't do a good job shot creating his own shot. Is he really going to thrive leaving Lilliard and going to Rose? We need wing defenders like Moe Harkless, not one-dimensional shooters like Crabbe. We suck. Making trade for the sake of making trades won't change that. Why rush to bring in another team's pile of chicken crap in hopes of it changing to soup? We have cap space and draft picks. There's no need for us to make a deal unless we can see a real benefit from it.