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Knixkik
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1/17/2017  8:46 PM
Not a lot of teams need a pg so market might be small. Rubio would improve our defense and provide excellent playmaking. Shooting is an issue but no worse than rose. Minnesota is looking for a stopgap pg to split time with dunn and some real big man help. Jennings and o'quinn maybe? Some cash or 2nd round pick for a sweetener? Would need a filler to match contracts too. Is there anything possible? Rubio, baker, kuz, melo, and KP with rose, Lee, Noah etc off the bench could be interesting.
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1/17/2017  8:59 PM
Rubio for Rose would be perfect
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1/17/2017  9:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2017  9:03 PM
Reuniting Rose and Thibs. That would be the way to go I think trade wise. Thibs has complete control of basketball ops as well. So he can make trades. I could see Thibs go for that one.

Something like this would work salary wise

Wolves trade: Rubio, Aldrich, Pekovic
Knicks trade: Rose, Noah

Post trade

Knicks
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Aldrich
Melo/O'Quinn
Kuz/Lee/Thomas
Rubio/Holiday
Baker/Jennings

Pekovic is likely retiring at season's end. Aldrich is on hook for a deal 2 more years. We save quite a bit of money on this. Thibs does this because of his history with Rose and Noah and believing he has enough young players already with Towns and Wiggins to create a better Bulls type of team that he used to have.

We do it mainly because we want to get out of the toxic Rose/Noah situation, change the team around a bit and make it more of a team that Horny can coach. Rubio and Baker in the backcourt would mean guys would move the ball and teamwork would happen. We would not play stupid or selfish basketball.

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1/17/2017  9:05 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Reuniting Rose and Thibs. That would be the way to go I think trade wise. Thibs has complete control of basketball ops as well. So he can make trades. I could see Thibs go for that one.

Something like this would work salary wise

Wolves trade: Rubio, Aldrich, Pekovic
Knicks trade: Rose, Noah

Post trade

Knicks
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Aldrich
Melo/O'Quinn
Kuz/Lee/Thomas
Rubio/Holiday
Baker/Jennings

Pekovic is likely retiring at season's end. Aldrich is on hook for a deal 2 more years. We save quite a bit of money on this. Thibs does this because of his history with Rose and Noah and believing he has enough young players already with Towns and Wiggins to create a better Bulls type of team that he used to have.

We do it mainly because we want to get out of the toxic Rose/Noah situation, change the team around a bit and make it more of a team that Horny can coach. Rubio and Baker in the backcourt would mean guys would move the ball and teamwork would happen. We would not play stupid or selfish basketball.


Man why are you guys TEASING me with these deals that most likely won't happen??? Can we hope for such a move to really happen? I can't get my hopes up for something like this. It's TORTURE!
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1/17/2017  9:15 PM
No way they take Noah. Maybe rose with O'Quinn attached.
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1/17/2017  9:17 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Reuniting Rose and Thibs. That would be the way to go I think trade wise. Thibs has complete control of basketball ops as well. So he can make trades. I could see Thibs go for that one.

Something like this would work salary wise

Wolves trade: Rubio, Aldrich, Pekovic
Knicks trade: Rose, Noah

Post trade

Knicks
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Aldrich
Melo/O'Quinn
Kuz/Lee/Thomas
Rubio/Holiday
Baker/Jennings

Pekovic is likely retiring at season's end. Aldrich is on hook for a deal 2 more years. We save quite a bit of money on this. Thibs does this because of his history with Rose and Noah and believing he has enough young players already with Towns and Wiggins to create a better Bulls type of team that he used to have.

We do it mainly because we want to get out of the toxic Rose/Noah situation, change the team around a bit and make it more of a team that Horny can coach. Rubio and Baker in the backcourt would mean guys would move the ball and teamwork would happen. We would not play stupid or selfish basketball.


Ask yourself if you was Minn would you take this? Hell no

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1/17/2017  9:39 PM
chewy wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Reuniting Rose and Thibs. That would be the way to go I think trade wise. Thibs has complete control of basketball ops as well. So he can make trades. I could see Thibs go for that one.

Something like this would work salary wise

Wolves trade: Rubio, Aldrich, Pekovic
Knicks trade: Rose, Noah

Post trade

Knicks
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Aldrich
Melo/O'Quinn
Kuz/Lee/Thomas
Rubio/Holiday
Baker/Jennings

Pekovic is likely retiring at season's end. Aldrich is on hook for a deal 2 more years. We save quite a bit of money on this. Thibs does this because of his history with Rose and Noah and believing he has enough young players already with Towns and Wiggins to create a better Bulls type of team that he used to have.

We do it mainly because we want to get out of the toxic Rose/Noah situation, change the team around a bit and make it more of a team that Horny can coach. Rubio and Baker in the backcourt would mean guys would move the ball and teamwork would happen. We would not play stupid or selfish basketball.


Ask yourself if you was Minn would you take this? Hell no

Exactly. We would have to give them something of value. O'quinn would be the selling point for them. They want a vet big man and he's a vet on the younger side who is solid and on a bargain long term contract.

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1/17/2017  9:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2017  9:53 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Rubio for Rose would be perfect

Nuff said for me. It would be Rose for Rubio and 2 or 3 fillers. They have Tyrus Jones so I'd be interested in him. Brandon Rush is an expiring too. I could take whatever though except Pekovic.

Rubio passes the ball. It's nice that Rose can get to the rack any time he wants but the refs don't seem to care. Rose blows alot of opportunities to pass the ball. We need a point guard that's going to make everyone better. I'm totally good with this.

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1/17/2017  9:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2017  10:00 PM
Knixkik wrote:Not a lot of teams need a pg so market might be small. Rubio would improve our defense and provide excellent playmaking. Shooting is an issue but no worse than rose. Minnesota is looking for a stopgap pg to split time with dunn and some real big man help. Jennings and o'quinn maybe? Some cash or 2nd round pick for a sweetener? Would need a filler to match contracts too. Is there anything possible? Rubio, baker, kuz, melo, and KP with rose, Lee, Noah etc off the bench could be interesting.

Yes.

Minnesota Trades: Ricky Rubio, Andrien Payne
Minnesota Recieves: Derrick Rose

Nets Trades: cap space
Nets Recieve: Garrett Temple and Ben McClemore

Sacramento Trades: Garrett Temple and Ben McClemore
Sacramento Recieves: Ricky Rubio and Adrien Payne

Knicks Trades: Derrick Rose
Knicks Recieve: $21 million in cap relief and a Sacramento 2nd round pick

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=znkfdff

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1/17/2017  10:09 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Not a lot of teams need a pg so market might be small. Rubio would improve our defense and provide excellent playmaking. Shooting is an issue but no worse than rose. Minnesota is looking for a stopgap pg to split time with dunn and some real big man help. Jennings and o'quinn maybe? Some cash or 2nd round pick for a sweetener? Would need a filler to match contracts too. Is there anything possible? Rubio, baker, kuz, melo, and KP with rose, Lee, Noah etc off the bench could be interesting.

Yes.

Minnesota Trades: Ricky Rubio, Andrien Payne
Minnesota Recieves: Derrick Rose

Nets Trades: cap space
Nets Recieve: Garrett Temple and Ben McClemore

Sacramento Trades: Garrett Temple and Ben McClemore
Sacramento Recieves: Ricky Rubio and Adrien Payne

Knicks Trades: Derrick Rose
Knicks Recieve: $21 million in cap relief and a Sacramento 2nd round pick

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=znkfdff

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1/17/2017  10:17 PM
I earlier suggested Lee and Jennings for Rubio and Shabazz M.
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1/17/2017  10:34 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Rubio for Rose would be perfect

Really, he can't shoot

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1/17/2017  10:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2017  10:50 PM
I think you couple Rose with Rubio and you get an improbable chemistry that, if you squint, could be mistaken for Frazier and Monroe on any given night.

The knicks have to be in any Rubio trade conversation. The upside is better defense, fewer turnovers, with dual point guards Rose can concentrate on scoring and breaking down the other teams defense. Melo can stop pounding the ball.

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1/17/2017  11:02 PM
fwk00 wrote:I think you couple Rose with Rubio and you get an improbable chemistry that, if you squint, could be mistaken for Frazier and Monroe on any given night.

The knicks have to be in any Rubio trade conversation. The upside is better defense, fewer turnovers, with dual point guards Rose can concentrate on scoring and breaking down the other teams defense. Melo can stop pounding the ball.

Can't have both together. Zero floor spacing, that's a major concern now. Rubio can work well here because he improves the ball movement and perimeter defense but that's under the assumption that he is on the floor with Melo, KP, kuz, and baker or Lee, 4 other shooters.

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1/17/2017  11:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2017  11:30 PM
So Minny couldn't unload Rubio all of last year because there were no takers and here comes the Knicks to bail them out...Makes sense..
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1/17/2017  11:35 PM
holfresh wrote:So Minny couldn't unload Rubio all of last year because there were no takers and here comes the Knicks to bail them out...Makes sense..

Where did you see they were trying to unload him last year? This is the first year I have seen, with dunn being a thibs favorite.

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1/17/2017  11:39 PM
Knixkik wrote:
fwk00 wrote:I think you couple Rose with Rubio and you get an improbable chemistry that, if you squint, could be mistaken for Frazier and Monroe on any given night.

The knicks have to be in any Rubio trade conversation. The upside is better defense, fewer turnovers, with dual point guards Rose can concentrate on scoring and breaking down the other teams defense. Melo can stop pounding the ball.

Can't have both together. Zero floor spacing, that's a major concern now. Rubio can work well here because he improves the ball movement and perimeter defense but that's under the assumption that he is on the floor with Melo, KP, kuz, and baker or Lee, 4 other shooters.

Nothing precludes those combinations. But Horny likes lots of PGs on the floor. And Rubio is smart enough to adjust.

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1/17/2017  11:41 PM
holfresh wrote:So Minny couldn't unload Rubio all of last year because there were no takers and here comes the Knicks to bail them out...Makes sense..

Rubio being available is likely a financial consideration. Knicks could make it work - a few other teams but many have their own albatrosses to unload (see: Dragic)

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1/18/2017  12:05 AM
fwk00 wrote:
holfresh wrote:So Minny couldn't unload Rubio all of last year because there were no takers and here comes the Knicks to bail them out...Makes sense..

Rubio being available is likely a financial consideration. Knicks could make it work - a few other teams but many have their own albatrosses to unload (see: Dragic)

Rose and o'quinn for Rubio and Pekovic. Get it done. Rubio is 26 years old. He's a nice compromise of help now and building to the future. If we draft a pg, we have 2 years to evaluate both players roles with the team. But it allows us to draft BPA to fill another hole too. I still think we aren't bad enough to get 1 of the 5 elite pg's. We likely draft 8-12 range. There's some good bigger SFs in that range that can fill a major need.

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1/18/2017  2:05 AM
Knixkik wrote:Not a lot of teams need a pg so market might be small. Rubio would improve our defense and provide excellent playmaking. Shooting is an issue but no worse than rose. Minnesota is looking for a stopgap pg to split time with dunn and some real big man help. Jennings and o'quinn maybe? Some cash or 2nd round pick for a sweetener? Would need a filler to match contracts too. Is there anything possible? Rubio, baker, kuz, melo, and KP with rose, Lee, Noah etc off the bench could be interesting.


Positional Value Tree For The NBA

1) The absolute hardest thing for any team to find is a franchise starting center. The most ideal state is a player who is young, still emerging and moving into his prime, still on a cost controlled rookie contract, can defend the rim, can do enough on offense to keep the game from being a 4 on 5 situation, can be disruptive and alter shots, can move well without the ball, can function as a passer and the bonus baby is being able to hit from 3 point range.

2) Wing players (SF/SG types) who can defend on the perimeter and lock down their man while also being able to attack the rim offensively and hit the 3 point shot at an elite rate.

3) Power forwards who can operate as Stretch 4s and give you offense and rebounding

4) Point guards

The salary cap in the NBA is not infinite. There are a limited number of trades, draft picks and free agents you can sign. Unlike the MLB and NFL, you cannot massively turn over an NBA roster in one season and have it end well. Time and time again, stable rosters tha fit well and play team ball win basketball games. They build chemistry and rapport over time

If the Knicks want to win and win consistently, they need pivots and wings. Do they have a stable pivot rotation now? No. Do they have a stable wing situation now? No. So PG should be last on the list.

Good teams, strong franchises churn the PG position. They use cheaper free agents. They use draft picks they develop. They make small trades. What they don't do is pay out the nose for an "elite PG" Some teams have elite PGs and win, but often they drafted and developed said player, absorbing his critical COST CONTROLLED years.

Trading for an expensive older point guard is not the answer. Going cheap on the position and focusing on pivots and wings is the path to winning. You cannot win unless you can defend. You cannot defend without protecting the rim and locking it down on the perimeter.

Rose has zero trade value. Even if he did, going for Rubio would be a step backwards.

Melo does not move well off the ball.

MELO DOES NOT MOVE WELL OFF THE BALL.

He's been in the league a long time, over a decade, he's not going to change. He's a ball stopper, shot jacker and iso hero ball chucker with questionable shot selection who freezes out his team mates and does not play effective team basketball.

HE DOES NOT MOVE WELL OFF THE BALL. Could he if he tried and wanted to? Yes, he's that talented. Will he? No, because he doesn't care about team basketball.

There is ZERO POINT in getting a point guard who can pass the ball if your "franchise player" is a hero ball shot jacker who does not move well off the ball.

What the Knicks need if Melo is going to be around is someone who can DEFEND at a plus level. And can contribute OFF THE BALL ( because with Melo hogging it, said player won't be getting it much)

Look, I got these awesome rims for such a great price! But dude, you don't even have a car. So what, I got some awesome rims, yo!

Every discussion about an expensive older point guard sounds like that to me. It sounds like someone buying a sound system and rims and car seats and fuzzy dice when they don't even have a freaking car.

IF and it's a big IF, that the Knicks could get Rubio, there's usually a REASON FOR IT. Same as there was a reason why the Knicks could get a point guard in Rose with a quasi-criminal past, is horrible with the press, had an injury history and shows zero
leadership.

Totally crazy idea. Slowly and progressively build through the draft and wait and pray for Melo to burn off this roster.

Is there a deal out there for Rubio?

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