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crzymdups
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1/16/2017  6:38 PM
Pictures from Dumb and Dumber

Question is - who is the dumb and who is the dumber on the Knicks he's posting about?

Phil and Jeff?

DRose and Melo?

Melo and Jeff?

Rambis and Jeff?

With the Knicks, there is no shortage of suspects.

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nyknickzingis
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1/16/2017  6:40 PM
If it's about the Knicks benching him definitely Jeff and Kurt.
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1/16/2017  6:41 PM
looks like ron and cheese
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1/16/2017  6:43 PM
This is just the way his career has been from jump. Teams get fooled into thinking he is a starter when really he is a back up who can occasionally start. He also was slightly better defensively but has slowed down with age which makes it worse
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1/16/2017  6:47 PM
More controversy on the way? Can't wait.

I hope it has nothing to do with the Knicks, but we all know it probably does.

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1/16/2017  6:57 PM
There are not too many players that would endorse a move to the bench, unless they're on the floor in crunch time. Thats what JVG did with Spreewell his 1st season. Spree wasnt happy at all, but at the end of the day, he was like 3rd on the team in minutes played that yr.

as long as Rambis is part of that coaching staff were doomed

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1/16/2017  6:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2017  6:59 PM
A shake up has to come from the front office
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1/16/2017  7:17 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:If it's about the Knicks benching him definitely Jeff and Kurt.

It think it's clearly a jab and Jeff and Kurt... characters look similar and ask the players have been critical of the defense. The players are out there so they need to execute. Sucks that we have to go through this again

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1/16/2017  7:27 PM
I think it is Rambis and Jeff. Also, Hornacek made a point of saying he wanted a Rambis like presence in the line up when he put Baker in.
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1/16/2017  7:28 PM
EnySpree wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:If it's about the Knicks benching him definitely Jeff and Kurt.

It think it's clearly a jab and Jeff and Kurt... characters look similar and ask the players have been critical of the defense. The players are out there so they need to execute. Sucks that we have to go through this again

Well it shows you how dumb Lee is if it's a jab he has been a huge disappointment on the defensive end.... he should really be disappointed with himself for his lack of production.... he always has been a solid bench guy not a starter... baker is the better all around player and it showed today.
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1/16/2017  7:37 PM
knicks1248 wrote:There are not too many players that would endorse a move to the bench, unless they're on the floor in crunch time. Thats what JVG did with Spreewell his 1st season. Spree wasnt happy at all, but at the end of the day, he was like 3rd on the team in minutes played that yr.

as long as Rambis is part of that coaching staff were doomed

Agree on Rambis.
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1/16/2017  8:16 PM
This is the culture that grows within a ball club when one of your starting players and big off season signing can simply not turn up for a game without consequences. It leads to the inmates taking over the asylum. What a mess we are, AGAIN!
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1/16/2017  8:22 PM
Ship be sinking?!?!
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1/16/2017  8:24 PM
At this point none of this side drama matters to me anymore. We still have KP and other young players!!! We still have our draft picks!!! IF any of these vets don't like it here they can be traded at their own request. I want guys that want to be here and do whatever is needed for the team!!!
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1/16/2017  8:30 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:If it's about the Knicks benching him definitely Jeff and Kurt.

It think it's clearly a jab and Jeff and Kurt... characters look similar and ask the players have been critical of the defense. The players are out there so they need to execute. Sucks that we have to go through this again

Well it shows you how dumb Lee is if it's a jab he has been a huge disappointment on the defensive end.... he should really be disappointed with himself for his lack of production.... he always has been a solid bench guy not a starter... baker is the better all around player and it showed today.

This is spot on.

If Rambis, Hornacek or both are going to be blamed for the poor defence of Melo, Rose, and Lee then they should be given credit for Baker, Holiday, Thomas, Porzingis, and the rest of the players busting their asses to win.

We have watched this film endlessly - "its the coach's faults". Or the Triangle, or Phil, or Dolan.

WHAT ABOUT THE PLAYERS WHO LACE IT UP EVERY GAME?

If Lee posted this he's toast in NY. Cold-cocking the coaches on social media will not sit well anywhere.

Quite frankly, I'm okay with players self-selecting their way out the door. Overall, Lee was not bringing enough to the defensive end to be effective. Period. Yeah, he shot well enough to have good stats but not good enough to stop offensive runs from opposing teams when it would actually stem the tide.

Baker and Holiday EARNED their time. They aren't mailing it in. If Hornacek sits everyone of those over-priced stars for the rest of the year I'm good with it. Enough is enough.
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1/16/2017  9:02 PM
nixluva wrote:At this point none of this side drama matters to me anymore. We still have KP and other young players!!! We still have our draft picks!!! IF any of these vets don't like it here they can be traded at their own request. I want guys that want to be here and do whatever is needed for the team!!!

i love your optimism nixluva. yes we have our draft picks and KP but...

the reality is this team is a joke and an embarrassment. no not because of their poor record but because of the DRAMA that always FOLLOWS this organization.

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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1/16/2017  9:36 PM
Really need to give Horny a younger athletic team next year around KP and the lottery pick and see what he shows as a coach, I sense the vets have all turned on the coaching staff. Feel for Horny, he's a good guy and a good coach. He's calm, cool and collected. What you want in a head coach. Wish the vets like Lee, Rose, Melo all bought in and comitted but they haven't. Noah is the only who plays with any passion of the vets and like he follows the coaching plans.
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1/16/2017  9:54 PM
callmened wrote:
nixluva wrote:At this point none of this side drama matters to me anymore. We still have KP and other young players!!! We still have our draft picks!!! IF any of these vets don't like it here they can be traded at their own request. I want guys that want to be here and do whatever is needed for the team!!!

i love your optimism nixluva. yes we have our draft picks and KP but...

the reality is this team is a joke and an embarrassment. no not because of their poor record but because of the DRAMA that always FOLLOWS this organization.


Yeah, it's not the kind of environment I'd want to stay in longer than I had to if I were KP. Phil and Dolan need to turn this around by the time he's an FA.
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1/16/2017  9:59 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
callmened wrote:
nixluva wrote:At this point none of this side drama matters to me anymore. We still have KP and other young players!!! We still have our draft picks!!! IF any of these vets don't like it here they can be traded at their own request. I want guys that want to be here and do whatever is needed for the team!!!

i love your optimism nixluva. yes we have our draft picks and KP but...

the reality is this team is a joke and an embarrassment. no not because of their poor record but because of the DRAMA that always FOLLOWS this organization.


Yeah, it's not the kind of environment I'd want to stay in longer than I had to if I were KP. Phil and Dolan need to turn this around by the time he's an FA.

If he learned anything from Melo he won't be passing on the money the Knicks dish out. I'm not worried about KP. The guy is about basketball and being humble.
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1/16/2017  10:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2017  10:10 PM
I feel for KP.
Kid wants to win bad. Came into the season better and performed before the achillles injury like an all-star.
To get tied up to these vets who are past their prime and don't play defense and think they know better than the coaches, is ridiculous.

If guys like Melo, Rose, Lee all played like Porzingis, Baker, O'Quinn and others, we would be a top 4 team in the East. It's because of the vets like Noah, Melo, Rose, Lee we are where we are. They're making huge sums of money and performing well below that money. They were supposed to play together and hard on defense. Phil Jackson even called them to do so at season's start. They just haven't. Maybe they don't have enough in the tank.

And Lee to make fun of the coaches, is not looking at his own self and how poor he has performed as a defender. Sorry, I may be a big KP fan, but I know KP feels the pain of losing. It's clear these vets don't. Melo to an extent does, I know he truly loves NY and wants to win here with them, but he's just not got enough in the tank left to play the #1 role on offense and also commit to defense.

As good as Rose is at what he does (driving and scoring) Lee (shooting) and Noah (Hustle, boards, passing) they have been major busts for us. They were supposed to come in and play like vets, not rookies or players on rookie scale contracts who don't know the ins and outs of defense. Their experience was supposed to an asset. It's turned out to be a liability. Very upset with them. Even Melo, simply cares too much about offense and not enough about defense.
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