StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:By the way...calling out all the basketball experts who thought Grant was better than Hardaway. Does anyone have the thread so we can see the knowledge here.

We get it dude...you know more than everybody and Melo is flawless happy now

Not than anybody. Just you and the others who knee jerk the loss to Melo. Get a clue. Check the game stats. Watch a game on replay. Or just hate and post about it day and night. How many points did their guards score? Melos fault rihgt? Torontos guards? Melos fault? Just tired of the whining without merit. Ready for you stat backed rebuttal.

first off i never even blamed melo so remove your head from your ass. Secondly its cool that you want to defend him but you also gotta be fair and call him out when he has bad games too. I dont think he had a bad game but his defense has always been a issue

Funny how guys that say that ussually live inside their own on permanent basis and are confused becuase of the smell. If you want to go to insults we can go that route as well as im sure you will lose just like your losing this little talk. Call him out on bad games? Is that the goal. And you already do that very well, you dont need my help. Just stop talking out your ass and you wont get called out. You took it upon yourself to point out that a guy who shot 10 of 16 with 30 and held his assignments to 3pts. was the cause of the loss. Keep the head upthere. Maybe a little deeper so you can get better reception on MSG

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:I thought Melo played a very good game if you ask me. He had some really good defensive moments on Milsap and kept us in the game.

It's not really about Melo's individual defense tho! It's his effort in the team concept that kills us. He's not moving to close out on shooters or shutdown the lane. Melo waves and reaches at guys which does NOTHING.

Bull****! Who covered THJ? Shroeder? They were shredded.

You do realize that we also talked about Rose's bad D on Scroder RIGHT??? This is just an honest assessment of Melo's TEAM D. Not how he defends his own man in a one on one so much as how he plays in the team concept. Dude doesn't move and on so many plays he WAVES at guys going by rather than moving his feet to close of the penetration. If I ever have the time i'd love to do a video of just Melo in defensive situations to highlight what i'm talking about.

How about you keep it to why we lost the game. Should we do a video of Roses turnovers? Nah. Video of Kuz and Baker shooting in last half of 4th? Nah. Lee dissappearing act? Nah If Melo was still in the building and didnt play most would whine and blame him for the loss.

So any comment on Melo's D is only valid if we always talk about other players on the team? You need to at least accept that Melo is not exactly a strong team defender. That is a part of the problem. I don't hate Melo so you need to relax a bit on the venom in your posts. It's important because Melo is on the floor more than some bench player and he's the Big Star of the team. If the team was winning he'd get most of the credit and with the losing he's gonna take a hit too. Melo is not PERFECT!!!

Melo is far from perfect. Bad knees, takes bad shots when team is down and not good on weak side defense. Now, we were talking about why our Knicks lost this game. Just tired of the aholes that put their 2 cents of hate on a board and dont even take the time to watch a game or look at a stat line. Calling them out just like Ill call them out when they start comp;aining about anyone else just cuz its the popular scape goat. Fact is the other 90% of the team needs to be held accountable. Including everyone fantasy bench player and stop defender.

Rose and Melo are the main guys with the experience and talent and responsibility to lead the way and until they do a better job of that this team can't progress. To similar but slightly lesser degree Noah and BJ have to step up.

nixluva wrote:In this thread there's been equal amounts of criticism for Rose and BJ making mistakes. I don't know why it's somehow out of bounds to mention Melo's issues as well. How about Melo leading by example on the defensive end??? Is that too much to ask for the star of the team? The same goes for Rose!!! I'm not gonna get into a nitpick of every little mistake by one of our role players cuz IMO that's STUPID.

Rose and Melo are the main guys with the experience and talent and responsibility to lead the way and until they do a better job of that this team can't progress. To similar but slightly lesser degree Noah and BJ have to step up.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:In this thread there's been equal amounts of criticism for Rose and BJ making mistakes. I don't know why it's somehow out of bounds to mention Melo's issues as well. How about Melo leading by example on the defensive end??? Is that too much to ask for the star of the team? The same goes for Rose!!! I'm not gonna get into a nitpick of every little mistake by one of our role players cuz IMO that's STUPID.

Rose and Melo are the main guys with the experience and talent and responsibility to lead the way and until they do a better job of that this team can't progress. To similar but slightly lesser degree Noah and BJ have to step up.

Ha...Melo looks like he could barely move..How about resting him...

You know I actually think you're right about that! To be honest it would be about time for him to have a rest game tho I don't think Jeff and Phil would want to do that until KP came back at least.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:By the way...calling out all the basketball experts who thought Grant was better than Hardaway. Does anyone have the thread so we can see the knowledge here.

We get it dude...you know more than everybody and Melo is flawless happy now

Not than anybody. Just you and the others who knee jerk the loss to Melo. Get a clue. Check the game stats. Watch a game on replay. Or just hate and post about it day and night. How many points did their guards score? Melos fault rihgt? Torontos guards? Melos fault? Just tired of the whining without merit. Ready for you stat backed rebuttal.

first off i never even blamed melo so remove your head from your ass. Secondly its cool that you want to defend him but you also gotta be fair and call him out when he has bad games too. I dont think he had a bad game but his defense has always been a issue

Funny how guys that say that ussually live inside their own on permanent basis and are confused becuase of the smell. If you want to go to insults we can go that route as well as im sure you will lose just like your losing this little talk. Call him out on bad games? Is that the goal. And you already do that very well, you dont need my help. Just stop talking out your ass and you wont get called out. You took it upon yourself to point out that a guy who shot 10 of 16 with 30 and held his assignments to 3pts. was the cause of the loss. Keep the head upthere. Maybe a little deeper so you can get better reception on MSG

calm down take a breath and a viagra. If you read my post you would realize that i wasnt bashing him. In fact i said he had a pretty good game but his effort on defense has been a issue for years. I mean everyone has said it in this thread

Sorry, you have me confused. Maybe your wifes note on the night stand is throwing you off. As mentioned, were all Knick fans. The team has had some tough losses. How many by one point? We have good effort today. Some guys came off bench and showed improvement. Things to build on. But if you want to read all bull**** posts about our best player taking the blame for every loss, thats cool. I would rather see smart bball posts about what things we need to work on.

first off dont mention my wife. If you want to take jabs at me thats fine but keep family out it. Secondly you just assume i hate the guy which is untrue in fact ive given him many breaks

Second of all...who started the personal stuff Mr. Head up your ass Viagra? So you get what you deserve. Go tell someone else what not to say. but not the people you started your bull**** with. And your so smart that you think saying your wife left you a note about something you thought was funny, when you said it, is an attack on her. You cant take me saying she wrote a note. Below the belt? LMAO Now I understand you better.

melo gave an overall good game, sure some defensive lapses, but really what exactly did rose and jennings do on defense or offense... other than call their own number???
anyone?

Cartman718 wrote:not sure why people are blaming melo and not the coach...how many times is he gonna rely on rose and jennings before this team is completely burned...
and rose what a maestro performance...TO upon TO, TO upon TO...how are you expected to win with a starting PG like that....

melo gave an overall good game, sure some defensive lapses, but really what exactly did rose and jennings do on defense or offense... other than call their own number???
anyone?

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magicTs wrote:

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magicTs wrote:And another loss. Thats a terrible miss from Melo at the end.

I thought we might win one of Toronto, Atlanta, Boston and Washington but this was by far the best opportunity of the 4. Think we go winless now which would put us at 18-26. Just pathetic.

The tank should now be well and truly on. We suck.

It's time for Melo to lift his no trade clause at the deadline and move on. We need to go in full rebuild mode. Enough is enough.

I think the conversation is coming and soon. Just reading between the lines. Our mentality is that of a team of losers. Yes, we aren't getting many breaks or call from the officials but thats just an excuse really. We should have had several of these close games in the bag but we don't because our team leaders are losers. They are mental midgets. They are not capable of concentrating for 48 mins and we give up the key plays. Plus we never make the clutch big shot, I mean our franchise superstar can't even finish an open shot from 4-5 ft to win it. Just losers.

Again and it does feel like groundhog day saying this; absolutely nothing will change until we make significant and ball club changing decisions and that is Anthony traded however it is achieved. We are going nowhere. The only good news for me is that if Jackson makes little change we are actually going to lose more games than people even imagine so can secure a high draft pick regardless.

At this point, if we can get a 1st round draft pick with an expiring contract for Melo, I would pull the trigger. I would also trade Rose for a 1st and try to couple him with Noah's bad contract. Time to stockpile as many as #1's as possible to streamline the rebuilding process.

You think drafting young players will help...we have had 10 1st rnd picks in the last 14 yrs, and we still suck. I cant unerstand how a person can be into basketball, and not see that building thruogh the draft has never wworked with the exception of 2 or 3 teams in the last 20 yrs.

Phili's entire roster is 1st round picks