holfresh wrote:Melo left the game with the Knicks up 2 @ 1:27 mark of the first and returns in the second down 10 @6:13..Toronto momentum established..Game over...I have seen this time and time again all season..And yes the defense sucks..

This is true but he needed to focus on defense to stabilize the team when he comes back in. He has to lead on both ends. Ultimately the entire team lacks defensive talent at any position. That maybe a stretch, KP has defensive talent as a shot blocker but struggles on the perimeter and against strength.

Sidenote: Jeff going big and moving Melo back to the 3 was an excellent tank move to start the 2nd half.

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Melo left the game with the Knicks up 2 @ 1:27 mark of the first and returns in the second down 10 @6:13..Toronto momentum established..Game over...I have seen this time and time again all season..And yes the defense sucks..

This is true but he needed to focus on defense to stabilize the team when he comes back in. He has to lead on both ends. Ultimately the entire team lacks defensive talent at any position. That maybe a stretch, KP has defensive talent as a shot blocker but struggles on the perimeter and against strength.

Sidenote: Jeff going big and moving Melo back to the 3 was an excellent tank move to start the 2nd half.

Quite honestly I think Melo plays too many minutes in the first quarters...Cut his minutes..Playing entire first quarters this season, he has looked like a different player physically..Maybe it's age..But he has never played those type of stretch minutes in his career...I have seen him move better with rest..He sets the tone for the team..He said he felt drained when he was out one game with the shoulder injury..If he is drained then so is the team...There are like 7-10 assistant coaches on the sidelines..Surely one guy can notice this...

I mean, they have to try something different, right???

i'm still amazed at how you can change the names of execs and players but the results still stay the same. i mean after layden, isiah came to town. then after all his nonsense - larry brown, curry deal, marbury, etc...it went to walsh. now it seemed he had a rebuilding plan but it was all geared towards 2010. after coming up short there...you had to make a move for melo. d'antoni...then woodson. linsanity then phil comes. then it's triangle with fisher - then that's dropped and bring in noah, rose, lee and hornacek.

noah has been on teams that have won for multiple years.
same for lee and noah.

after all that...the results are basically the same. it's amazing.

phil hasn't traded picks - that's the ONLY thing you can say about him as a positive. every other non-draft move he's made has to be classified as bad b/c he has yet to show he can build a cohesive team.

knicks dumped marbury - same thing.
knicks dumped curry - same thing.
now it's melo - are you expecting a different result?

meanwhile other teams can turn things around within 2 years. some even sooner.

holfresh wrote:The pressure in NY is real..Last week Brendan Haywood was on NBATV talking about it..He said he saw the NY pressure on the player's faces..I saw an interview a few games ago with KP when he sat out most of the 4th...I have never seen him like that..Lee's interview today, he looks scared..Amazing..

That's why no one wants to come here..

NY is not for softies.
Just look back on the Knicks greats.
They were tough as nails.
Not the whole team but the core have to be like that.
And they have to stick together at all times.
They need to get read of Melos and Roses of NBA ASAP.
I do not have any issues with the rest of the team.
And we need players who does not give a rat a..sss about NY media and casual Knicks fans who are booing or chairing the team by the weather.

djsunyc wrote:that was some real bad body language from y'all in the 3rd.

i'm still amazed at how you can change the names of execs and players but the results still stay the same. i mean after layden, isiah came to town. then after all his nonsense - larry brown, curry deal, marbury, etc...it went to walsh. now it seemed he had a rebuilding plan but it was all geared towards 2010. after coming up short there...you had to make a move for melo. d'antoni...then woodson. linsanity then phil comes. then it's triangle with fisher - then that's dropped and bring in noah, rose, lee and hornacek.

noah has been on teams that have won for multiple years.
same for lee and noah.

after all that...the results are basically the same. it's amazing.

phil hasn't traded picks - that's the ONLY thing you can say about him as a positive. every other non-draft move he's made has to be classified as bad b/c he has yet to show he can build a cohesive team.

knicks dumped marbury - same thing.
knicks dumped curry - same thing.
now it's melo - are you expecting a different result?

meanwhile other teams can turn things around within 2 years. some even sooner.

Even the timing is similar each year- we start off okay, then completely collapse December/January time. I think our lack of 1st round picks has also trapped us in this cycle- most teams suck for a few seasons, but they get a high pick at the end of it. We haven't had that.