nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:this loss is on the coach for bringing KP in and for not cussing Rose out for not moving the ball in the last 2-3 mins. he made shots, but those were all "save his own ass" type of plays. in the last 3 mins, how many assists did our players have??? where was the ball movement???

Now maybe everyone can see what I've been complaining about!!! They rely on ISO Melo or DIY Rose and that is not efficient or good for everyone else!!! KP got ICED by Jeff and his teammates!!!

there was no excuse for missing that shot, it didnt even hit the rim, i mean cmon dude..there was nobody within 10 feet of him..You gotta be ready..

People talk about franchise player, he is more of a complimentry player, that was a franchise moment and he falied big time, not to mention against the worse team in the league

Don't put this on KP!!! If you pay close attention to how they use him it doesn't allow him to get a rhythm and then after sitting all that time and barely touching the ball that was a tough spot. You can't develop a kid like this!!!

It wasnt KP fault that we blow up 10 pint lead in last 3 minutes, he wasnt on a court

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I saw this comment on realgm; "how much can a fanbase suffer?"

Will let you know tomorrow. Crazy!

Knicks are on the verge of having a 3-14 month if they lose to the bulls and raptors.

Which they will.

GustavBahler wrote:Well that wasn't a fun ending. I understand letting Rose and Melo drive the offense in the 4th, they were having a great game. We saw something other than dump the ball to Melo in crunch time. How many times have we been able to say that in the last 4-5 years, whatever it is?

The mistake IMO was Hornacek leaving KP on the bench too long and icing him, should have brought him in a little sooner before asking him to make the game winning shot. Didnt have a problem with the play, KP was wide open.

There were a couple of times were Lee either stalled or looked off KP. One time was when KP blocked Embiid, then ran down the court wide open for the alley oop and Lee didnt even try to get the ball to him. He was waving his arms under the rim. It feels like there are cliques on this team, in this franchise. Its not a healthy situation for the Knicks to be in.

It doesn't help that the head coach doesn't look like he has the autonomy he should have. Too many cooks....

Have to tip my hat to Phil however for promoting Clarence Gaines to VP of player development. Id love for Gaines to be named GM, and Mills kicked upstairs. Even if he isn't, Gaines's is gaining more influence, someone to bounce ideas off of, even if he doesnt have a role in the decision making process. Its been a long while since the Knicks succesfully groomed an exec in house, hopefully to have a larger role down the road.

Why are people so focused on Mills, he is a bean counter...

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Well that wasn't a fun ending. I understand letting Rose and Melo drive the offense in the 4th, they were having a great game. We saw something other than dump the ball to Melo in crunch time. How many times have we been able to say that in the last 4-5 years, whatever it is?

The mistake IMO was Hornacek leaving KP on the bench too long and icing him, should have brought him in a little sooner before asking him to make the game winning shot. Didnt have a problem with the play, KP was wide open.

There were a couple of times were Lee either stalled or looked off KP. One time was when KP blocked Embiid, then ran down the court wide open for the alley oop and Lee didnt even try to get the ball to him. He was waving his arms under the rim. It feels like there are cliques on this team, in this franchise. Its not a healthy situation for the Knicks to be in.

It doesn't help that the head coach doesn't look like he has the autonomy he should have. Too many cooks....

Have to tip my hat to Phil however for promoting Clarence Gaines to VP of player development. Id love for Gaines to be named GM, and Mills kicked upstairs. Even if he isn't, Gaines's is gaining more influence, someone to bounce ideas off of, even if he doesnt have a role in the decision making process. Its been a long while since the Knicks succesfully groomed an exec in house, hopefully to have a larger role down the road.

Why are people so focused on Mills, he is a bean counter...

We can do better, that's why. Mills is more of a yes man than anything else. Better question is why wouldn't you want to see more than just a bean counter get the job?

Mills is the same guy who some folks were talking about his rolodex of connections, but couldn't fimd a single job in the NBA after getting pushed out of the Knicks, the first time. Id love to see Phil groom someone who could lead this franchise after he's gone. Someone who knows what they're doing. Dont know how this will turn out, but Im glad Phil is giving Gaines a larger role in the organization. Someone who actually did something to earn it. What a novel concept.

They actually need people in the front office who knows how to count beans..Mills was being considered for head of players association..He is an executive in the true term..He currently doesn't make player decision..Yiu can't be pissed at his accounting skills..And after Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek, do you really want Phil making that call??

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Well that wasn't a fun ending. I understand letting Rose and Melo drive the offense in the 4th, they were having a great game. We saw something other than dump the ball to Melo in crunch time. How many times have we been able to say that in the last 4-5 years, whatever it is?

The mistake IMO was Hornacek leaving KP on the bench too long and icing him, should have brought him in a little sooner before asking him to make the game winning shot. Didnt have a problem with the play, KP was wide open.

There were a couple of times were Lee either stalled or looked off KP. One time was when KP blocked Embiid, then ran down the court wide open for the alley oop and Lee didnt even try to get the ball to him. He was waving his arms under the rim. It feels like there are cliques on this team, in this franchise. Its not a healthy situation for the Knicks to be in.

It doesn't help that the head coach doesn't look like he has the autonomy he should have. Too many cooks....

Have to tip my hat to Phil however for promoting Clarence Gaines to VP of player development. Id love for Gaines to be named GM, and Mills kicked upstairs. Even if he isn't, Gaines's is gaining more influence, someone to bounce ideas off of, even if he doesnt have a role in the decision making process. Its been a long while since the Knicks succesfully groomed an exec in house, hopefully to have a larger role down the road.

Why are people so focused on Mills, he is a bean counter...

We can do better, that's why. Mills is more of a yes man than anything else. Better question is why wouldn't you want to see more than just a bean counter get the job?

Mills is the same guy who some folks were talking about his rolodex of connections, but couldn't fimd a single job in the NBA after getting pushed out of the Knicks, the first time. Id love to see Phil groom someone who could lead this franchise after he's gone. Someone who knows what they're doing. Dont know how this will turn out, but Im glad Phil is giving Gaines a larger role in the organization. Someone who actually did something to earn it. What a novel concept.

They actually need people in the front office who knows how to count beans..Mills was being considered for head of players association..He currently doesn't make player decision..And after Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek, do you really want Phil making that call??

Bean counters have their place, and so do execs with an eye for talent, and deal making. Mills was the one who gave us Isiah and all the misery that followed. When Mills was about to trade Shump to Phoenix, he didn't have Woodson sit him, and he got hurt, killing the deal. This is what happens when you have bean counters running things.

Gaines has shown that he is a good talent evaluator, he has earned a larger role in this organization. Considering that all Mills had to do to get the job was hire the worst exec in franchise history, enable bad behavior, look the other way at very serious charges against one of his employees, I would think that would be good news to you.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Even if by some miracle we made the playoffs Rose and Melo would see it as a way to showcase their brand and you'd see us be swiftly swept.

In a way it's good this is happening. Just like that miserable 17 win season led us to KP. This train wreck could lead us to a better place.

Two things though. One is we must move Rose. He is toxic to KPs development. Jennings is a much better stop gap or short term solution. Two Melo needs to move on. Love Melos love for Knicks and NY but enough is enough. Trade time.

We are stuck as a franchise so long as Melo and Rose are Knicks. Melo should go somewhere he can play as a stretch 4 where he has fanatic defence around him. Many contenders could use him. I genuinely want good things for Melo because unlike Rose I know he's a legit leader and truly tried to right the NY ship.

I don't agree with the 'showcase their brand' statement but I am not sure what has happened to the offense. The increase in their running the triangle is frustrating. I am concerned that Jeff isn't coaching the team with autonomy anymore.

I was expecting Jeff to coach this team his way! I thought they'd progressively move away from the Triangle as the season went along but they've INCREASED the %. What's worse tho is that none of the offense seriously involves the top players working off of each other.

When they do get into a two man game they play LIKE STRANGERS!!! There's almost ZERO CHEMISTRY between either Melo, Rose or KP!!! By now they should know each other's game and be making great plays. Even the once great chemistry between BJ and KP has disappeared!!! WTF???

We were having too much success with Horny ball for Phil's like, it would seem. Phil may have demanded more triangle from Horny, given more power to Rambis, the players may have resented that, started to unravel to the point they play like garbage, Horny coaches like garbage and the team overall is back to being the garbage it has been for almost two decades.

All speculation. All plausible with this franchise.

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Well that wasn't a fun ending. I understand letting Rose and Melo drive the offense in the 4th, they were having a great game. We saw something other than dump the ball to Melo in crunch time. How many times have we been able to say that in the last 4-5 years, whatever it is?

The mistake IMO was Hornacek leaving KP on the bench too long and icing him, should have brought him in a little sooner before asking him to make the game winning shot. Didnt have a problem with the play, KP was wide open.

There were a couple of times were Lee either stalled or looked off KP. One time was when KP blocked Embiid, then ran down the court wide open for the alley oop and Lee didnt even try to get the ball to him. He was waving his arms under the rim. It feels like there are cliques on this team, in this franchise. Its not a healthy situation for the Knicks to be in.

It doesn't help that the head coach doesn't look like he has the autonomy he should have. Too many cooks....

Have to tip my hat to Phil however for promoting Clarence Gaines to VP of player development. Id love for Gaines to be named GM, and Mills kicked upstairs. Even if he isn't, Gaines's is gaining more influence, someone to bounce ideas off of, even if he doesnt have a role in the decision making process. Its been a long while since the Knicks succesfully groomed an exec in house, hopefully to have a larger role down the road.

Why are people so focused on Mills, he is a bean counter...

We can do better, that's why. Mills is more of a yes man than anything else. Better question is why wouldn't you want to see more than just a bean counter get the job?

Mills is the same guy who some folks were talking about his rolodex of connections, but couldn't fimd a single job in the NBA after getting pushed out of the Knicks, the first time. Id love to see Phil groom someone who could lead this franchise after he's gone. Someone who knows what they're doing. Dont know how this will turn out, but Im glad Phil is giving Gaines a larger role in the organization. Someone who actually did something to earn it. What a novel concept.

They actually need people in the front office who knows how to count beans..Mills was being considered for head of players association..He currently doesn't make player decision..And after Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek, do you really want Phil making that call??

Bean counters have their place, and so do execs with an eye for talent, and deal making. Mills was the one who gave us Isiah and all the misery that followed. When Mills was about to trade Shump to Phoenix, he didn't have Woodson sit him, and he got hurt, killing the deal. This is what happens when you have bean counters running things.

Gaines has shown that he is a good talent evaluator, he has earned a larger role in this organization. Considering that all Mills had to do to get the job was hire the worst exec in franchise history, enable bad behavior, look the other way at very serious charges against one of his employees, I would think that would be good news to you.

Magic Johnson gave us Isiah..

Magic recommended Isiah, Mills hired him. Magic felt so bad about that he gave Mills a job when noone in the league would.

Magic Johnson said he told Dolan he wasn't interested in the job and recommended Isiah to Dolan...If you are saying Mills did the paperwork, yes, you are correct...

Mills was one of the runner ups for the job as head of players association...I don't like Mills actually..But I won't arbitrarily blame someone when they had nothing to do with formulation a situation..I'm just puzzled why Mills always gets singled out...

NYKBocker wrote:

Gudris wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:this loss is on the coach for bringing KP in and for not cussing Rose out for not moving the ball in the last 2-3 mins. he made shots, but those were all "save his own ass" type of plays. in the last 3 mins, how many assists did our players have??? where was the ball movement???

Now maybe everyone can see what I've been complaining about!!! They rely on ISO Melo or DIY Rose and that is not efficient or good for everyone else!!! KP got ICED by Jeff and his teammates!!!

there was no excuse for missing that shot, it didnt even hit the rim, i mean cmon dude..there was nobody within 10 feet of him..You gotta be ready..

People talk about franchise player, he is more of a complimentry player, that was a franchise moment and he falied big time, not to mention against the worse team in the league

Don't put this on KP!!! If you pay close attention to how they use him it doesn't allow him to get a rhythm and then after sitting all that time and barely touching the ball that was a tough spot. You can't develop a kid like this!!!

It wasnt KP fault that we blow up 10 pint lead in last 3 minutes, he wasnt on a court

Yup. I don't understand blaming KP.

Melo's poor DEFENSE in the final seconds of the game ..
Rose poor effort in handing out dimes ..
KP is not Kukoc .. KP is raw n should be coming off the bench averaging 24 minute per game ..
There's no way u could run a triangle-offense using Melo talent ...

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Well that wasn't a fun ending. I understand letting Rose and Melo drive the offense in the 4th, they were having a great game. We saw something other than dump the ball to Melo in crunch time. How many times have we been able to say that in the last 4-5 years, whatever it is?

The mistake IMO was Hornacek leaving KP on the bench too long and icing him, should have brought him in a little sooner before asking him to make the game winning shot. Didnt have a problem with the play, KP was wide open.

There were a couple of times were Lee either stalled or looked off KP. One time was when KP blocked Embiid, then ran down the court wide open for the alley oop and Lee didnt even try to get the ball to him. He was waving his arms under the rim. It feels like there are cliques on this team, in this franchise. Its not a healthy situation for the Knicks to be in.

It doesn't help that the head coach doesn't look like he has the autonomy he should have. Too many cooks....

Have to tip my hat to Phil however for promoting Clarence Gaines to VP of player development. Id love for Gaines to be named GM, and Mills kicked upstairs. Even if he isn't, Gaines's is gaining more influence, someone to bounce ideas off of, even if he doesnt have a role in the decision making process. Its been a long while since the Knicks succesfully groomed an exec in house, hopefully to have a larger role down the road.

Why are people so focused on Mills, he is a bean counter...

We can do better, that's why. Mills is more of a yes man than anything else. Better question is why wouldn't you want to see more than just a bean counter get the job?

Mills is the same guy who some folks were talking about his rolodex of connections, but couldn't fimd a single job in the NBA after getting pushed out of the Knicks, the first time. Id love to see Phil groom someone who could lead this franchise after he's gone. Someone who knows what they're doing. Dont know how this will turn out, but Im glad Phil is giving Gaines a larger role in the organization. Someone who actually did something to earn it. What a novel concept.

They actually need people in the front office who knows how to count beans..Mills was being considered for head of players association..He currently doesn't make player decision..And after Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek, do you really want Phil making that call??

Bean counters have their place, and so do execs with an eye for talent, and deal making. Mills was the one who gave us Isiah and all the misery that followed. When Mills was about to trade Shump to Phoenix, he didn't have Woodson sit him, and he got hurt, killing the deal. This is what happens when you have bean counters running things.

Gaines has shown that he is a good talent evaluator, he has earned a larger role in this organization. Considering that all Mills had to do to get the job was hire the worst exec in franchise history, enable bad behavior, look the other way at very serious charges against one of his employees, I would think that would be good news to you.

Magic Johnson gave us Isiah..

Magic recommended Isiah, Mills hired him. Magic felt so bad about that he gave Mills a job when noone in the league would.

Magic Johnson said he told Dolan he wasn't interested in the job and recommended Isiah to Dolan...If you are saying Mills did the paperwork, yes, you are correct...

Mills asked Magic for a recommendation and Mills went to Dolan. It was his job to find the best man for the job. Not even close.

If your defense of Mills is that he is an empty suit with no influence, then Im not sure why you are so keen to see him jump from one postiion in this organization to another. I would rather see Mills move on, but that aint happening. Not unless Magic is hiring again.

Because yuu are pushing total BS!!!

Everything? Wow, sounds so final. Sorry Donald.

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Well that wasn't a fun ending. I understand letting Rose and Melo drive the offense in the 4th, they were having a great game. We saw something other than dump the ball to Melo in crunch time. How many times have we been able to say that in the last 4-5 years, whatever it is?

The mistake IMO was Hornacek leaving KP on the bench too long and icing him, should have brought him in a little sooner before asking him to make the game winning shot. Didnt have a problem with the play, KP was wide open.

There were a couple of times were Lee either stalled or looked off KP. One time was when KP blocked Embiid, then ran down the court wide open for the alley oop and Lee didnt even try to get the ball to him. He was waving his arms under the rim. It feels like there are cliques on this team, in this franchise. Its not a healthy situation for the Knicks to be in.

It doesn't help that the head coach doesn't look like he has the autonomy he should have. Too many cooks....

Have to tip my hat to Phil however for promoting Clarence Gaines to VP of player development. Id love for Gaines to be named GM, and Mills kicked upstairs. Even if he isn't, Gaines's is gaining more influence, someone to bounce ideas off of, even if he doesnt have a role in the decision making process. Its been a long while since the Knicks succesfully groomed an exec in house, hopefully to have a larger role down the road.

Why are people so focused on Mills, he is a bean counter...

We can do better, that's why. Mills is more of a yes man than anything else. Better question is why wouldn't you want to see more than just a bean counter get the job?

Mills is the same guy who some folks were talking about his rolodex of connections, but couldn't fimd a single job in the NBA after getting pushed out of the Knicks, the first time. Id love to see Phil groom someone who could lead this franchise after he's gone. Someone who knows what they're doing. Dont know how this will turn out, but Im glad Phil is giving Gaines a larger role in the organization. Someone who actually did something to earn it. What a novel concept.

They actually need people in the front office who knows how to count beans..Mills was being considered for head of players association..He currently doesn't make player decision..And after Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek, do you really want Phil making that call??

Bean counters have their place, and so do execs with an eye for talent, and deal making. Mills was the one who gave us Isiah and all the misery that followed. When Mills was about to trade Shump to Phoenix, he didn't have Woodson sit him, and he got hurt, killing the deal. This is what happens when you have bean counters running things.

Gaines has shown that he is a good talent evaluator, he has earned a larger role in this organization. Considering that all Mills had to do to get the job was hire the worst exec in franchise history, enable bad behavior, look the other way at very serious charges against one of his employees, I would think that would be good news to you.

Magic Johnson gave us Isiah..

Magic recommended Isiah, Mills hired him. Magic felt so bad about that he gave Mills a job when noone in the league would.

Magic Johnson said he told Dolan he wasn't interested in the job and recommended Isiah to Dolan...If you are saying Mills did the paperwork, yes, you are correct...

Mills asked Magic for a recommendation and Mills went to Dolan. It was his job to find the best man for the job. Not even close.

If your defense of Mills is that he is an empty suit with no influence, then Im not sure why you are so keen to see him jump from one postiion in this organization to another. I would rather see Mills move on, but that aint happening. Not unless Magic is hiring again.

Because yuu are pushing total BS!!!..And I could give two ****s about Mills!!!..I want him gone too...But I'm not going to make up ****...

Magic said in his book that he told Mills to give Isiah the job, Isiah says otherwise. Guess who Im believing?

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Well that wasn't a fun ending. I understand letting Rose and Melo drive the offense in the 4th, they were having a great game. We saw something other than dump the ball to Melo in crunch time. How many times have we been able to say that in the last 4-5 years, whatever it is?

The mistake IMO was Hornacek leaving KP on the bench too long and icing him, should have brought him in a little sooner before asking him to make the game winning shot. Didnt have a problem with the play, KP was wide open.

There were a couple of times were Lee either stalled or looked off KP. One time was when KP blocked Embiid, then ran down the court wide open for the alley oop and Lee didnt even try to get the ball to him. He was waving his arms under the rim. It feels like there are cliques on this team, in this franchise. Its not a healthy situation for the Knicks to be in.

It doesn't help that the head coach doesn't look like he has the autonomy he should have. Too many cooks....

Have to tip my hat to Phil however for promoting Clarence Gaines to VP of player development. Id love for Gaines to be named GM, and Mills kicked upstairs. Even if he isn't, Gaines's is gaining more influence, someone to bounce ideas off of, even if he doesnt have a role in the decision making process. Its been a long while since the Knicks succesfully groomed an exec in house, hopefully to have a larger role down the road.

Why are people so focused on Mills, he is a bean counter...

We can do better, that's why. Mills is more of a yes man than anything else. Better question is why wouldn't you want to see more than just a bean counter get the job?

Mills is the same guy who some folks were talking about his rolodex of connections, but couldn't fimd a single job in the NBA after getting pushed out of the Knicks, the first time. Id love to see Phil groom someone who could lead this franchise after he's gone. Someone who knows what they're doing. Dont know how this will turn out, but Im glad Phil is giving Gaines a larger role in the organization. Someone who actually did something to earn it. What a novel concept.

They actually need people in the front office who knows how to count beans..Mills was being considered for head of players association..He currently doesn't make player decision..And after Fisher, Rambis and Hornacek, do you really want Phil making that call??

Bean counters have their place, and so do execs with an eye for talent, and deal making. Mills was the one who gave us Isiah and all the misery that followed. When Mills was about to trade Shump to Phoenix, he didn't have Woodson sit him, and he got hurt, killing the deal. This is what happens when you have bean counters running things.

Gaines has shown that he is a good talent evaluator, he has earned a larger role in this organization. Considering that all Mills had to do to get the job was hire the worst exec in franchise history, enable bad behavior, look the other way at very serious charges against one of his employees, I would think that would be good news to you.

Magic Johnson gave us Isiah..

Magic recommended Isiah, Mills hired him. Magic felt so bad about that he gave Mills a job when noone in the league would.

Magic Johnson said he told Dolan he wasn't interested in the job and recommended Isiah to Dolan...If you are saying Mills did the paperwork, yes, you are correct...

Mills asked Magic for a recommendation and Mills went to Dolan. It was his job to find the best man for the job. Not even close.

If your defense of Mills is that he is an empty suit with no influence, then Im not sure why you are so keen to see him jump from one postiion in this organization to another. I would rather see Mills move on, but that aint happening. Not unless Magic is hiring again.

Because yuu are pushing total BS!!!

Everything? Wow, sounds so final. Sorry Donald.

But you know Mills isn't making those calls...Nor is he making any personnel calls about what's happening now...Mills is Dolan's stooge...Whatever, I don't care..

Yet this back and forth started because you had some kind of problem with me talking about someone replacing him as GM.

I guess my larger point I'm trying to make to a few people pointing out Mills, is that he is just a suit...Decisions are being made by Phil and Dolan..I could care less about the pencil pushers..Let's keep the focus and the "blame", if it's the case, on the people making the decisions...