Cartman718 wrote:why are we picking monk according to draft express...he doesn't know how to pass the ball, we want jcross part deux on our team?
dennis smith please..freshman, better passer scorer etc and knows how to rebound too for a guard.
and only is it 6 months older than frank?

Don't get mad as Mocks........They have no basis other than speculative.

Cartman718 wrote:why are we picking monk according to draft express...

Top half of the NBA draft, you look at a players ceiling.

Back half, you have to look at a players floor.

Swing big, miss big. Swing little, miss little.

Rob Hennigan was interviewed a few years ago discussing the inherent pressure of drafting against general consensus ( i.e. if you pick the guy that seems about the right value for perception at a certain slot, everyone will shrug their shoulders and say it happens, if you REACH by industry perception, then you are risking your job) There's the value of the player as an individual and there is the value of the draft slot itself in a vacuum. Both matter for GMs. The latter should not matter was much as it does, but that's not the reality of the modern marketplace.

LivingLegend wrote:Lonzo Ball is highly overrated

I can't remember the many "superstar" player who had this many questions regarding their game entering the draft. I think he can be good. But I don't ever see being a top 20 talent in the NBA. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm glad we're not going to be in position to have decide to pick him. My concerns aren't even take the potential off the court disasters into consideration.

BRIGGS wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Lonzo Ball is highly overrated

I can't remember the many "superstar" player who had this many questions regarding their game entering the draft. I think he can be good. But I don't ever see being a top 20 talent in the NBA. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm glad we're not going to be in position to have decide to pick him. My concerns aren't even take the potential off the court disasters into consideration.

He'll be very good. Could be a game changer.

I think I'd take Fultz or Fox ahead of Ball IMO. They are PG's that are less dependent on the team around them. If needed they can take over and carry a team which I don't see Ball doing as much. I'm praying Fox falls to the Knicks.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Lonzo Ball is highly overrated

I can't remember the many "superstar" player who had this many questions regarding their game entering the draft. I think he can be good. But I don't ever see being a top 20 talent in the NBA. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm glad we're not going to be in position to have decide to pick him. My concerns aren't even take the potential off the court disasters into consideration.

He'll be very good. Could be a game changer.

I think I'd take Fultz or Fox ahead of Ball IMO. They are PG's that are less dependent on the team around them. If needed they can take over and carry a team which I don't see Ball doing as much. I'm praying Fox falls to the Knicks.

He could be Jason Kidd 2.0. He could be Michael Carter Williams 2.0 w a psycho "support" system

Will be one of the more intriguing players. Teams selecting in his range will have to sweat that out

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Lonzo Ball is highly overrated

I can't remember the many "superstar" player who had this many questions regarding their game entering the draft. I think he can be good. But I don't ever see being a top 20 talent in the NBA. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm glad we're not going to be in position to have decide to pick him. My concerns aren't even take the potential off the court disasters into consideration.

He'll be very good. Could be a game changer.

Go to Draft Express and watch the Lonzo Ball Weaknesses - Creating Offense video and come back...tell us you have no concerns with his athleticism, handle, offensive creativity.

To cherry pick some tidbits from that video.....

In 1/2 court offense only 3% (8 of 238) of Balls shots came inside the 3 point line

- highlighting his inability to beat people off the dribbe
- inability to get in the paint and to the rim
- his complete lack of a mid-range game

The video shows numerous situations where Ball gets the ball picked/knocked away in one-one situations === showing a sloppy handle and lack of burst to beat even 1 on 1 situations.

I believe Ball is has elite b-ball IQ, elite vision, elite passing, is an outstanding help defender and has elite feel for the game.

Outside of those major plus's I think he is a mediocre (at best) NBA athlete, his handle is sloppy (particularly in slow down / under duress situations). He has ZERO mid-range game, he has very poor shot selection (constantly settling for contested 3 point shots because he can't take people off the dribble). He is a horrible one/one defender.

I think he may be one of the more over-rated prospects in last 10 years.

Just imagine Kawhi Leonard playing the level of defense he's playing against Harden against Ball? Ball would be killed as he is right now. His great passing skills would be totally negated. I know there aren't many Leonard's in the NBA, but even a decent NBA defensive player will take advantage of his shortcomings. Can Ball improve? Sure. But I can't say he'll be a superstar. De'Angelo Russell was more complete coming into the league IMHO. Russell has shown promise, but I don't think anyone sees him as a future superstar. Ball is going to travel a similar path.