[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

2017 NBA Draft Thread
Author Thread
wargames
Posts: 21000
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/27/2015
Member: #6053

4/15/2017  8:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2017  8:58 AM
dacash wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
dacash wrote:why is justin jackson rated so low?
i understand the other players are super but isnt he a damn good player too?

He's a junior I think it is the main reason. So people feel he can't improve as much since he's already close to being physically matured

I agree he's very solid on the floor. I'm sort of hesitant to say it, but he seems like a Phil kind of player.


Tend to agree with you on this...but he is not top 7 worthy, is he?

He would be a major reach at where we now are.

based on his year of play and the other players in the draft i say top 12 to 15 but ive seen him on some mocks going in the 20's just wondered why a nice player who has shown improvement and led his team far would be so lightly thought of
he and the french pg would make two nice hauls IMO

I agree too. He is thought badly of because he is a junior so it's unlikely he has a lot of untapped potential and just began shooting well this year. However his skill set fits the triangle and he plays defense. He reminds me of Shane Battier but a better passer. However, Phil would have to get a late lottery pick to get him.

AUTOADVERT
WaltLongmire
Posts: 26772
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/28/2014
Member: #5843

4/15/2017  9:11 AM
wargames wrote:
dacash wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
dacash wrote:why is justin jackson rated so low?
i understand the other players are super but isnt he a damn good player too?

He's a junior I think it is the main reason. So people feel he can't improve as much since he's already close to being physically matured

I agree he's very solid on the floor. I'm sort of hesitant to say it, but he seems like a Phil kind of player.


Tend to agree with you on this...but he is not top 7 worthy, is he?

He would be a major reach at where we now are.

based on his year of play and the other players in the draft i say top 12 to 15 but ive seen him on some mocks going in the 20's just wondered why a nice player who has shown improvement and led his team far would be so lightly thought of
he and the french pg would make two nice hauls IMO

I agree too. He is thought badly of because he is a junior so it's unlikely he has a lot of untapped potential and just began shooting well this year. However his skill set fits the triangle and he plays defense. He reminds me of Shane Battier but a better passer. However, Phil would have to get a late lottery pick to get him.

Would wonder about his ability as a defender in the NBA from the games I saw him play, but have not seen enough of him.

I'll bet he finds a place on a team in the league, but not as a starter...though who knows.

“I can give you an argument, but I cannot give you an understanding.” – Samuel Johnson
wargames
Posts: 21000
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/27/2015
Member: #6053

4/15/2017  9:36 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
wargames wrote:
dacash wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
dacash wrote:why is justin jackson rated so low?
i understand the other players are super but isnt he a damn good player too?

He's a junior I think it is the main reason. So people feel he can't improve as much since he's already close to being physically matured

I agree he's very solid on the floor. I'm sort of hesitant to say it, but he seems like a Phil kind of player.


Tend to agree with you on this...but he is not top 7 worthy, is he?

He would be a major reach at where we now are.

based on his year of play and the other players in the draft i say top 12 to 15 but ive seen him on some mocks going in the 20's just wondered why a nice player who has shown improvement and led his team far would be so lightly thought of
he and the french pg would make two nice hauls IMO

I agree too. He is thought badly of because he is a junior so it's unlikely he has a lot of untapped potential and just began shooting well this year. However his skill set fits the triangle and he plays defense. He reminds me of Shane Battier but a better passer. However, Phil would have to get a late lottery pick to get him.

Would wonder about his ability as a defender in the NBA from the games I saw him play, but have not seen enough of him.

I'll bet he finds a place on a team in the league, but not as a starter...though who knows.

Yeah I don't see him as a instant starter in the league either. He would have to work his way into it, but he's shown the capacity to add to his game.

As for defense he was a key part defensively in stopping the run of that Fox , Monk led Kentucky team.

smackeddog
Posts: 32053
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
4/16/2017  11:13 AM
Realistically, if we don't move into the top 3, the only players I see us taking are: Isaac, Fox or Ntilikina.
BRIGGS
Posts: 48713
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
4/16/2017  12:06 PM
smackeddog wrote:Realistically, if we don't move into the top 3, the only players I see us taking are: Isaac, Fox or Ntilikina.

Agree but they need to bring in Dennis Smith as well because he seems like he might be available-- I'd say 1 of those 4

smackeddog
Posts: 32053
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
4/16/2017  12:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Realistically, if we don't move into the top 3, the only players I see us taking are: Isaac, Fox or Ntilikina.

Agree but they need to bring in Dennis Smith as well because he seems like he might be available-- I'd say 1 of those 4

Smith looks so athletic I worry if his body can sustain it- could easily see him tearing an ACL again. He does look amazing though, but I don't see Phil taking him, unfortunately

NardDogNation
Posts: 26205
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555

4/16/2017  1:34 PM
wargames wrote:
dacash wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
dacash wrote:why is justin jackson rated so low?
i understand the other players are super but isnt he a damn good player too?

He's a junior I think it is the main reason. So people feel he can't improve as much since he's already close to being physically matured

I agree he's very solid on the floor. I'm sort of hesitant to say it, but he seems like a Phil kind of player.


Tend to agree with you on this...but he is not top 7 worthy, is he?

He would be a major reach at where we now are.

based on his year of play and the other players in the draft i say top 12 to 15 but ive seen him on some mocks going in the 20's just wondered why a nice player who has shown improvement and led his team far would be so lightly thought of
he and the french pg would make two nice hauls IMO

I agree too. He is thought badly of because he is a junior so it's unlikely he has a lot of untapped potential and just began shooting well this year. However his skill set fits the triangle and he plays defense. He reminds me of Shane Battier but a better passer. However, Phil would have to get a late lottery pick to get him.

Reminds me more of Otto Potter because of his ability to pass as well.

BigDaddyG
Posts: 24629
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049

4/16/2017  1:52 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
wargames wrote:
dacash wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
dacash wrote:why is justin jackson rated so low?
i understand the other players are super but isnt he a damn good player too?

He's a junior I think it is the main reason. So people feel he can't improve as much since he's already close to being physically matured

I agree he's very solid on the floor. I'm sort of hesitant to say it, but he seems like a Phil kind of player.


Tend to agree with you on this...but he is not top 7 worthy, is he?

He would be a major reach at where we now are.

based on his year of play and the other players in the draft i say top 12 to 15 but ive seen him on some mocks going in the 20's just wondered why a nice player who has shown improvement and led his team far would be so lightly thought of
he and the french pg would make two nice hauls IMO

I agree too. He is thought badly of because he is a junior so it's unlikely he has a lot of untapped potential and just began shooting well this year. However his skill set fits the triangle and he plays defense. He reminds me of Shane Battier but a better passer. However, Phil would have to get a late lottery pick to get him.

Reminds me more of Otto Potter because of his ability to pass as well.

I like the Porter comparison better. Battier was a little tougher physically and less athletic. Porter needed time to develop and I think Justin will also. Just from a physical standpoint, Porter might have had a bit of a headstart.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
wargames
Posts: 21000
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/27/2015
Member: #6053

4/16/2017  3:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/16/2017  3:05 PM

Ntilkina is in NY working out

nixluva
Posts: 53427
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
4/16/2017  6:01 PM
wargames wrote:

Ntilkina is in NY working out

Interesting. I see he still doesn't quite have that Ball on a String tight handles but good to see him working. He looks a little bigger.

BRIGGS
Posts: 48713
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
4/17/2017  1:48 AM
Slight change in top 12

1. Lonzo Ball
2 Josh Jackson
3 Daaron Fox
4 Markelle Fultz
5 Jason Tatum
5 Jarrett Allen
6 Frank Ntilikina
7 Jonathon Issac
8 John Collins
9 Dennis Smith
10 Zach Collins
11 Justin Patton
12 T J Leaf

smackeddog
Posts: 32053
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
4/17/2017  3:08 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Slight change in top 12

1. Lonzo Ball
2 Josh Jackson
3 Daaron Fox
4 Markelle Fultz
5 Jason Tatum
5 Jarrett Allen
6 Frank Ntilikina
7 Jonathon Issac
8 John Collins
9 Dennis Smith
10 Zach Collins
11 Justin Patton
12 T J Leaf

What do you have against Fultz? You've never really explained it, other than referring to a non-existant knee issue.

90sKnicks
Posts: 20076
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 2/23/2017
Member: #6452

4/17/2017  10:57 PM
Isn't the coin tomorrow to determine who gets the #6 pick if neither us nor the Wolves land in the top 3? Anyone have any info on this? When? Where?

I'm just bracing myself for the inevitable loss of the coin toss.

reub
Posts: 20647
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/13/2016
Member: #6227

4/18/2017  9:37 AM
The crucial coin flip is at 3 PM today to determine whether we get Frank or if we get Ntilikina.
Knixkik
Posts: 28088
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
4/18/2017  9:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/18/2017  9:59 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Slight change in top 12

1. Lonzo Ball
2 Josh Jackson
3 Daaron Fox
4 Markelle Fultz
5 Jason Tatum
5 Jarrett Allen
6 Frank Ntilikina
7 Jonathon Issac
8 John Collins
9 Dennis Smith
10 Zach Collins
11 Justin Patton
12 T J Leaf


Why do you suddenly like Ntilikina so much? He wasn't on your list before. I think he's a great prospect, but just wondering why your change. You said you can't draft a guy as skinny as him when you talked about needing big body players.
Swishfm3
Posts: 22499
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/28/2003
Member: #392
4/18/2017  2:27 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Slight change in top 12

1. Lonzo Ball
2 Josh Jackson
3 Daaron Fox
4 Markelle Fultz
5 Jason Tatum
5 Jarrett Allen
6 Frank Ntilikina
7 Jonathon Issac
8 John Collins
9 Dennis Smith
10 Zach Collins
11 Justin Patton
12 T J Leaf

This goes to total trash after 5.

A player, I hope, the Knicks keep an eye on Xavier Rathan-Mayes from Florida St. Everyone is raving about J.Isaac, as they should, but XRM is a big time sleeper. Reminded me a lot of K.Irving.

wargames
Posts: 21000
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/27/2015
Member: #6053

4/18/2017  3:01 PM
Check out Wesley Iwundu for our second round pick. He's a top 5 in the mocked second round in assists, good size for a SG, decent defender, and a senior. All the stuff Phil likes when taking a flyer on the second round. Another good sign he struggled to shoot as a underclass man but improved it as he got older which means he's a "learner".

Draftexpress have him mocked one pick ahead of ours on Draftexpress..... I think he fits the Phil's "ideal roleplayers" better than anyone else mocked in the second round.

Paris907
Posts: 20509
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/4/2015
Member: #6099
USA
4/18/2017  3:20 PM
Sheeeeeeettttt.... there goes FOX
Knixkik
Posts: 28088
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
4/18/2017  3:33 PM
1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Fox
5. Tatum
6. Monk
7. Ntilikina
8. Smith
9. Isaac

As long as we are top 9, we are getting a really good player at a position of need.

nixluva
Posts: 53427
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
4/18/2017  11:21 PM
Knixkik wrote:1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Fox
5. Tatum
6. Monk
7. Ntilikina
8. Smith
9. Isaac

As long as we are top 9, we are getting a really good player at a position of need.

YUP! IMO this is a good draft for quality players. It's going to be impossible to know for sure which players will exceed expectations but I many of these players should be good NBA Players.

2017 NBA Draft Thread

©2001-2012 ultimateknicks.com All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.