crzymdups wrote:I see stuff like this and it makes me covet a guy like Josh Jackson or Jonathan Isaac in this draft.

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I think the focus on the PGs might be leading some to underrate some of the non-PG players... for once I am glad Phil won't necessarily be obsessed with grabbing a PG.

At 6th/7th, the only PG I would drop everything for would be De'Aaron Fox. If it came down to Frank Ntilikina/Dennis Smith/Monk or Jonathan Isaac... I might lead toward Isaac at this point.

I feel like I need to see more Dennis Smith tape. I didn't see him in game action all season long... I'm very skeptical of him for whatever reason. He seems like the kind of PG Phil would hate.

As much as I would like Fox of Ntilikina, I don't have the same feeling with them that I had with Porzingis.

I don't think Jackson will be available, but unless we find out something terrible about Isaac, you won't hear me complain a bit if we take him.

Jackson as a defender and distributor on the Knicks would be an intriguing thing to consider, and he can probably play SG or SF.

Biggest worry for me is that we don't get a top 7 pick. I have my favorites, but the first 7 on this list are acceptable.

Smith is D. Rose2.0

Monk is a premium scorer, who will get chewed up on D at either guard position and from what I've seen and read, he is not even a Triangle lead guard, let alone a classic PG.

Have not looked at Bridges enough. Tweener size, but from the things I read he seems to have improved his game over the years...which is always a good thing

1 Markelle Fultz
PG/SG | Washington 6'5" 185 lbs

2 Lonzo Ball
PG | UCLA 6'6" 190 lbs

3 Josh Jackson
SF | Kansas 6'8" 205 lbs

4 Jayson Tatum
SF | Duke 6'8" 205 lbs

7 Jonathan Isaac
SF | Florida State 6'11" 205 lbs

9 Frank Ntilikina
PG | Strasbourg IG 6'5" 175 lbs

10 De'Aaron Fox
PG | Kentucky 6'4" 170 lbs

5 Dennis Smith
PG | NC State 6'2" 180 lbs

6 Malik Monk
SG/PG | Kentucky 6'3" 190 lbs

8 Miles Bridges
SF/PF | Michigan State 6'7" 230 lbs

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I see stuff like this and it makes me covet a guy like Josh Jackson or Jonathan Isaac in this draft.

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I think the focus on the PGs might be leading some to underrate some of the non-PG players... for once I am glad Phil won't necessarily be obsessed with grabbing a PG.

At 6th/7th, the only PG I would drop everything for would be De'Aaron Fox. If it came down to Frank Ntilikina/Dennis Smith/Monk or Jonathan Isaac... I might lead toward Isaac at this point.

I feel like I need to see more Dennis Smith tape. I didn't see him in game action all season long... I'm very skeptical of him for whatever reason. He seems like the kind of PG Phil would hate.

When we had the #4 in 2015, the only player I would have taken over KP is KAT, so I was pretty happy when we got the Latvian.

As much as I would like Fox of Ntilikina, I don't have the same feeling with them that I had with Porzingis.

I don't think Jackson will be available, but unless we find out something terrible about Isaac, you won't hear me complain a bit if we take him.

Jackson as a defender and distributor on the Knicks would be an intriguing thing to consider, and he can probably play SG or SF.

Biggest worry for me is that we don't get a top 7 pick. I have my favorites, but the first 7 on this list are acceptable.

Smith is D. Rose2.0

Monk is a premium scorer, who will get chewed up on D at either guard position and from what I've seen and read, he is not even a Triangle lead guard, let alone a classic PG.

Have not looked at Bridges enough. Tweener size, but from the things I read he seems to have improved his game over the years...which is always a good thing

1 Markelle Fultz
PG/SG | Washington 6'5" 185 lbs

2 Lonzo Ball
PG | UCLA 6'6" 190 lbs

3 Josh Jackson
SF | Kansas 6'8" 205 lbs

4 Jayson Tatum
SF | Duke 6'8" 205 lbs

7 Jonathan Isaac
SF | Florida State 6'11" 205 lbs

9 Frank Ntilikina
PG | Strasbourg IG 6'5" 175 lbs

10 De'Aaron Fox
PG | Kentucky 6'4" 170 lbs

5 Dennis Smith
PG | NC State 6'2" 180 lbs

6 Malik Monk
SG/PG | Kentucky 6'3" 190 lbs

8 Miles Bridges
SF/PF | Michigan State 6'7" 230 lbs

One thing I'll say about Smith is that if he's Rose 2.0 that's pretty special cuz we had the broke down version that stopped passing the ball and defending. Smith would be at full strength and so it would still be a MASSIVE upgrade in talent for this team. They could play Smith with Baker and have Smith play more of the SG role. Not saying they take Smith but just sayin it could work if he was the BPA when we pick.

Also you could use him as a trade asset with a team that really wants him.

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I see stuff like this and it makes me covet a guy like Josh Jackson or Jonathan Isaac in this draft.

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I think the focus on the PGs might be leading some to underrate some of the non-PG players... for once I am glad Phil won't necessarily be obsessed with grabbing a PG.

At 6th/7th, the only PG I would drop everything for would be De'Aaron Fox. If it came down to Frank Ntilikina/Dennis Smith/Monk or Jonathan Isaac... I might lead toward Isaac at this point.

I feel like I need to see more Dennis Smith tape. I didn't see him in game action all season long... I'm very skeptical of him for whatever reason. He seems like the kind of PG Phil would hate.

When we had the #4 in 2015, the only player I would have taken over KP is KAT, so I was pretty happy when we got the Latvian.

As much as I would like Fox of Ntilikina, I don't have the same feeling with them that I had with Porzingis.

I don't think Jackson will be available, but unless we find out something terrible about Isaac, you won't hear me complain a bit if we take him.

Jackson as a defender and distributor on the Knicks would be an intriguing thing to consider, and he can probably play SG or SF.

Biggest worry for me is that we don't get a top 7 pick. I have my favorites, but the first 7 on this list are acceptable.

Smith is D. Rose2.0

Monk is a premium scorer, who will get chewed up on D at either guard position and from what I've seen and read, he is not even a Triangle lead guard, let alone a classic PG.

Have not looked at Bridges enough. Tweener size, but from the things I read he seems to have improved his game over the years...which is always a good thing

1 Markelle Fultz
PG/SG | Washington 6'5" 185 lbs

2 Lonzo Ball
PG | UCLA 6'6" 190 lbs

3 Josh Jackson
SF | Kansas 6'8" 205 lbs

4 Jayson Tatum
SF | Duke 6'8" 205 lbs

7 Jonathan Isaac
SF | Florida State 6'11" 205 lbs

9 Frank Ntilikina
PG | Strasbourg IG 6'5" 175 lbs

10 De'Aaron Fox
PG | Kentucky 6'4" 170 lbs

5 Dennis Smith
PG | NC State 6'2" 180 lbs

6 Malik Monk
SG/PG | Kentucky 6'3" 190 lbs

8 Miles Bridges
SF/PF | Michigan State 6'7" 230 lbs

One thing I'll say about Smith is that if he's Rose 2.0 that's pretty special cuz we had the broke down version that stopped passing the ball and defending. Smith would be at full strength and so it would still be a MASSIVE upgrade in talent for this team. They could play Smith with Baker and have Smith play more of the SG role. Not saying they take Smith but just sayin it could work if he was the BPA when we pick.

Also you could use him as a trade asset with a team that really wants him.

Size and defensive issues are the killer for me. Might be a fan favorite, but I doubt he would be a Phil favorite.

Does have some f'n hops, though.

To me it is ESSENTIAL that we are in the top 7.

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crzymdups wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:What skillset separates De'Aaron Fox from everything we heard/thought of Mudiay entering the 2015 draft?

Fox actually proved it over a whole season. I'd say he's a better mid-range shooter, he's got that great little floater. I think he's a better passer too.

Honestly, I think you can make a case he's closer to Wall than Mudiay. He was feeding Monk a lot to the tune of Monk leading the SEC in scoring and monk being named player of the year.

I dunno, I think he could bust or maybe only be as good as Elfrid Peyton... But could also be more of a Rondo/Wall type. His outside shot needs work, but has good form to my eyes.

Honestly I think the bust potential of Ntilikina or Monk is higher. And I worry about Smith's game. He seems much smaller than he's listed. Maybe smith is a more explosive Lowry... i see something more like a Marbury or Francis style PG in him that looks for buckets over dimes. Isn't that a problem in the triangle?

Like I said, in some ways I'm more comfortable with Phil drafting a non-PG like Josh Jackson or Isaac both for our positional needs and because I worry any pg in the triangle will be just utterly confused about their role.

Mudiay doesn't really play D from what I have seen...this is not an issue with Fox, who is also quicker.

Have to admit that I'm surprised he didn't take a step up this year. I was critical of him at times, and did not want to draft him, but he showed glimpses last year that he could be a good player, and even hit his jumpers at times.

Do you think that there were parallels between both players entering their respective drafts though? I can't help but feel that it was the case, which is having a negative impact on how I perceive Fox's outlook (even though I do like him).

TPercy wrote:Since when was size in a pg such a big deal? The league has been getting smaller for years in that department.
Smith is not drose. Smith can actually shoot the basketball, rose can't. Smith's issue on defense has been lack of effort. A bad habit in a youngster, but one that can be fixed. When locked in, he has the tenacity and strength to lock down most players.

Jackson seems to like them taller...Grant was a tall PG, Baker, Schved, and even Calderon has good size, Galloway had a SG's wingspan...

Just saying.

TPercy wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

TPercy wrote:Since when was size in a pg such a big deal? The league has been getting smaller for years in that department.
Smith is not drose. Smith can actually shoot the basketball, rose can't. Smith's issue on defense has been lack of effort. A bad habit in a youngster, but one that can be fixed. When locked in, he has the tenacity and strength to lock down most players.

Jackson seems to like them taller...Grant was a tall PG, Baker, Schved, and even Calderon has good size, Galloway had a SG's wingspan...

Just saying.

If we are going off of Jackson's wishes, then Smith's size might be a problem, but he did sign BJ, no?

Phil has preferences but of course there are exceptions. He has also talked about the idea of a very small quick player being a handy change up.

But nbadraft.net updated their top five prospects on 4/5 to be -

1) Josh Jackson
2) Markelle Fultz
3) Lonzo Ball
4) De'Aaron Fox
5) Jonathan Isaac

That's very close to what my own top five would be at this point. Which is a bummer because we're looking at pick 6. Really hope Philly becomes enamored of Malik Monk or Orlando does with Jayson Tatum.

crzymdups wrote:Interesting, I'm not so sure how much the nbadraft.net crew talks to actual scouts and stuff, vs the Draft Express guys, who we know do talk to scouts...

But nbadraft.net updated their top five prospects on 4/5 to be -

1) Josh Jackson
2) Markelle Fultz
3) Lonzo Ball
4) De'Aaron Fox
5) Jonathan Isaac

That's very close to what my own top five would be at this point. Which is a bummer because we're looking at pick 6. Really hope Philly becomes enamored of Malik Monk or Orlando does with Jayson Tatum.

If this is the case I'd be very happy with Frank or Smith.