knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think it's such a mix of things with this team. They don't do enough screens to help slow down the defense and open up easy shots. If you watch Boston they screen ALL DAY which is why they get so many good shots. Isaiah is using screens to drive and shoot and our top guys tend to go SOLO for points as opposed to using screens for Catch and Shoot looks or to penetrate and kick.

Another thing I feel is KP has to stop passing up open shots he can make! KP should be getting more screens so he can take more open catch n shoot looks. Watching today you would think we don't really have shooters. Melo had too many tough shots when a simple screen could get him clean looks.

He's 7-3, he doesn't need a screen against guys a foot shorter than him. You really need to stop making excuses, almost winning don't add up to anything. This is another team the Knicks don't match up well with.

Melo should be using screens more as well. Both are such good shooters that you don't want to ignore the Catch and Shoot offense. One way to create more Catch and Shoot opportunities is to have them work off screens. It doesn't have to be a drastic move. Simple screens are often enough to give a shooter that extra time he needs.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think it's such a mix of things with this team. They don't do enough screens to help slow down the defense and open up easy shots. If you watch Boston they screen ALL DAY which is why they get so many good shots. Isaiah is using screens to drive and shoot and our top guys tend to go SOLO for points as opposed to using screens for Catch and Shoot looks or to penetrate and kick.

Another thing I feel is KP has to stop passing up open shots he can make! KP should be getting more screens so he can take more open catch n shoot looks. Watching today you would think we don't really have shooters. Melo had too many tough shots when a simple screen could get him clean looks.

He's 7-3, he doesn't need a screen against guys a foot shorter than him. You really need to stop making excuses, almost winning don't add up to anything. This is another team the Knicks don't match up well with.

I disagree about not needing a screen. When you have a weapon like KP then it makes sense to find all the best ways possible to get him more great looks. KP reminds me of an Elephant that doesn't like Mice around it's feet. Boston players take away space and that tactic bothered KP who is so tall that if you're at his base like that he's not comfortable taking the shot. That's why you want to get KP as many CLEAN looks as possible and the best way to do that is with a down screen. There are times when KP should just shoot over a smaller player but this isn't only about smaller guys.

Melo should be using screens more as well. Both are such good shooters that you don't want to ignore the Catch and Shoot offense. One way to create more Catch and Shoot opportunities is to have them work off screens. It doesn't have to be a drastic move. Simple screens are often enough to give a shooter that extra time he needs.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think it's such a mix of things with this team. They don't do enough screens to help slow down the defense and open up easy shots. If you watch Boston they screen ALL DAY which is why they get so many good shots. Isaiah is using screens to drive and shoot and our top guys tend to go SOLO for points as opposed to using screens for Catch and Shoot looks or to penetrate and kick.

Another thing I feel is KP has to stop passing up open shots he can make! KP should be getting more screens so he can take more open catch n shoot looks. Watching today you would think we don't really have shooters. Melo had too many tough shots when a simple screen could get him clean looks.

He's 7-3, he doesn't need a screen against guys a foot shorter than him. You really need to stop making excuses, almost winning don't add up to anything. This is another team the Knicks don't match up well with.

I disagree about not needing a screen. When you have a weapon like KP then it makes sense to find all the best ways possible to get him more great looks. KP reminds me of an Elephant that doesn't like Mice around it's feet. Boston players take away space and that tactic bothered KP who is so tall that if you're at his base like that he's not comfortable taking the shot. That's why you want to get KP as many CLEAN looks as possible and the best way to do that is with a down screen. There are times when KP should just shoot over a smaller player but this isn't only about smaller guys.

Melo should be using screens more as well. Both are such good shooters that you don't want to ignore the Catch and Shoot offense. One way to create more Catch and Shoot opportunities is to have them work off screens. It doesn't have to be a drastic move. Simple screens are often enough to give a shooter that extra time he needs.

Overall, the team needs to play better defense. The offense will take care of itself when players realize they have major advantages. Porzingis is 7-3, sorry, he needs no screens. Just shoot, he was open the entire afternoon. Screens are needed to get clean looks. Porzingis will always have clean looks especially against a team that usually don't play their 7 footers much.

Just watch Boston and in their offense they're setting constant screens. It's just one screen after another! That gives them more open shots and the ability to drive and kick with ease. The style i'm looking for is where we get more movement and disruption of the defense as they have to chase our players thru screens rather than just having to PLAY THE PASSING LANES! That's what teams do to us and Boston is very quick and physical. The won't let you just pass the ball to stationary players! So Player movement with screens is a great way to make them work harder on D.

Vmart wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:This team doesn't have a calling card. They don't do anything well and that is the problem. If you want to be good in the NBA you have to be good at one thing either its defense or offense. You can't be in between. If a team plays good defense they can get away with average offense. If they play offense exceptionally well then they can get away with average defense. You can't do one average and the other average to bad.

Anyways they aren't playing to win championships so it really doesn't matter. Put it mildly the Knicks aren't going to stumble into a championship. It was ridiculous how many layups the Knicks were giving up. They don't have a defensive clue. KP should be a monster defensively but he is a small 7'3 that dunk by Horford that needed to be a hard foul. Team is soft, they lack pride. Another thing they ar afraid of the moment once Bosto. And Knicks were tied at 112 the Knicks needed to close the deal but they folded like a cheap tent.

This entire post is WAY over the top! Can you at least give the team a chance to continue developing into what they're going to be???
Boston was already a playoff team and they added an All Star talent to that mix. They haven't just been put together like the Knicks who have 10 new players and a new Coach!!!

So yeah the Knicks are not there yet, but they are a LOT closer than predicted. The problems with this team are actually about execution more than anything and that is fixable with work and time.

Develop we been developing for 17-18 years now. If you can't come to play vs your division opponent at home on Christmas. Development process is over it is what it is at this point. This team is reaching mid point of season now and they are still doing a porous defensive job. That was a shut show offense we saw one in one play ground type basketball. While Boston was shredding them with execution style offense with extra passes these guys were play ground heroes.

Defense isn't about developing it's about effort. Defense has nothing to do with developing its 100% effort.

No it's not really JUST about effort. When you play against well coached teams they will keep you working until you have a breakdown which is not always about effort but sometimes about execution and proper rotations. It can be about anticipation of offensive habits of your opponent. It's not all effort as some want you to think.

The Celtics were already a playoff team and they added an All Star level player. NY just put this team together and the few months they've been together doesn't equal the years that Boston has had to be together and develop into a cohesive and instinctive unit on both ends. There is no comparison in that regard. NY is still working to put this together so let's keep things in perspective when it comes to comparing.

Even Jeff hasn't totally figured out how best to use his roster!!! This notion that just cuz we're 30 games in that we should have it all figured out is not being fair. 10 new players, some of which are young or new to the NBA and a new Coach all coming together to slow the process of getting it right. You're being overly hard on this team and it's silly to talk bout 17-18 years when talking about this current roster, most of which just got here!!!

The Knicks are 6-1 when they dish out at least 25 assists and 15-5 when they have at least 20 assists. That means New York is 1-9 when they fail to reach 20 assists, which is as easy a statistic as any to interpret.

The Knicks have a win percentage of .750 when they accumulate at least 20 assists and .100 when they fail to reach that attainable number.

For as clear as it is that the Knicks—and teams in general—win when they move the ball, they won’t stop going ISO. New York run isolation plays with the third-highest frequency of any team in the NBA and rank No. 21 in field goal percentage in said scenarios.

When the Knicks commit to moving the ball, they win. When they refuse to move the ball, they lose.

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

The Knicks are 6-1 when they dish out at least 25 assists and 15-5 when they have at least 20 assists. That means New York is 1-9 when they fail to reach 20 assists, which is as easy a statistic as any to interpret.

The Knicks have a win percentage of .750 when they accumulate at least 20 assists and .100 when they fail to reach that attainable number.

For as clear as it is that the Knicks—and teams in general—win when they move the ball, they won’t stop going ISO. New York run isolation plays with the third-highest frequency of any team in the NBA and rank No. 21 in field goal percentage in said scenarios.

When the Knicks commit to moving the ball, they win. When they refuse to move the ball, they lose.

http://dailyknicks.com/2016/12/26/new-york-knicks-statistics-struggles/5/

That is an amazing stat. Thank you for your research. I'm starting to think if the Knicks can add a passing sg that number will happen on most nights.

Can Jason Kidd come off the Coaching bench and suit up again??? That kind of passing SG would fit nicely. The calls for a player like that this summer made sense when you see the scoring we have but really we don't NEED to change but simply make sure that they maintain ball n player movement.

I disagree that KP needs screens. He should be setting screens. He needs to learn to use his body to create space. He should be instant points when guarded by a smurf. Post and re-post if needed for a little baby hook. Boston is smart to use m.smart on him and it's been effective. Smart gets in his space but KP is faced up w no place to move or get rhythm. KP needs to stick his ass in. Him cath the ball and turn in rhythm or roll to the rim for alley oops which again should be automatic. We need to adapt. Fwiw I think celtics unorthodox defense on KP works in season but if we see them in playoffs we'll sort that out.

I hate Isaiah but have to admit he's good at getting to the rim and creating space. If I were coach I'd have team sag more and pack the paint more. Boston in general is a bad 3 point shooting team. Second quarter was an aberration (we beat them every other quarter fwiw). Regardless, whether you sag or not, the way to play Isaiah is to punish the celts on the other end. It's not illegal to post guards though it seems to be a lost art. If Mark jackson were playing he'd know exactly what to do

Vmart wrote:

Chandler wrote:A fair number of good critiques above. I totally agree melo could benefit from screens. His ISO play is killing us in more ways than one. Players need to touch the ball to stay engaged. When they see melo burn the clock dribble into a double team and then settle for a fall away jumper that's just melo telling his teammates f you. And what the hell was he thinking facing up and dribbling on Bradley-- a very solid defender? Get the ball out of his hands. Pass it to him in catch and shoot and cuts and we'll all be happier.

I disagree that KP needs screens. He should be setting screens. He needs to learn to use his body to create space. He should be instant points when guarded by a smurf. Post and re-post if needed for a little baby hook. Boston is smart to use m.smart on him and it's been effective. Smart gets in his space but KP is faced up w no place to move or get rhythm. KP needs to stick his ass in. Him cath the ball and turn in rhythm or roll to the rim for alley oops which again should be automatic. We need to adapt. Fwiw I think celtics unorthodox defense on KP works in season but if we see them in playoffs we'll sort that out.

I hate Isaiah but have to admit he's good at getting to the rim and creating space. If I were coach I'd have team sag more and pack the paint more. Boston in general is a bad 3 point shooting team. Second quarter was an aberration (we beat them every other quarter fwiw). Regardless, whether you sag or not, the way to play Isaiah is to punish the celts on the other end. It's not illegal to post guards though it seems to be a lost art. If Mark jackson were playing he'd know exactly what to do

Catch and shoot Melo would do really well, cutting we are lucky to see that once a game or never. Melo is seriously averse to cutting to the basket give and go just isn't his game.

might be true; i just don't want the ball in his hands making decisions. that's absolutely the weakest part of his game.