crzymdups wrote:Melo and Jennings and CLee didn't have much tonight. Rose going down was too much too overcome. Bench made a nice run but they were totally out of gas with about 3min left and then the starters came back and continued to have nothing.

Knicks should've run a much better play with 15 seconds left in regulation - they had the ball, tie game, last shot and Jennigns took way too long to set it up and KP had to rush a wing shot from 16ft. Terrible play - they gave away their best chance to win the game.

But, also, can't help but feel the Knicks were due to lose a close one. They had been 6-0 in those games.

Lee had a strong game first half..But he need flow to get his looks..Jennings is a decent passer but he doesn't provide flow..He dribbles too much then the next pass is a shot...

He's basically a jumpshooter, and I get that, but for the player who is supposed to be the #1 option, you just can't win at a high rate if he's having so many bad shooting nights. I get what Phil was saying about Melo being a good isolation player, but there just isn't a comparison to Kobe or Jordan. It happens too often. Melo with an off night.How many guys who lead their teams to a strong record or contention have as many bad shooting games as Melo does? Yes he has many great ones, but way too many bad ones in my book. We even practically won this game without him in the 4th, only for some silly mistakes by Baker and Jennings late.

Nice effort in the 4th, O'Quinn was a beast. Porzingis continues to be a marvel. Just can't see us becoming a 3rd seed or higher in the East if Melo continues his inconsistent shooting through a regular season. We need a top option that is more consistent. Unfortunately Melo would make a great #2 or 3. KP isn't ready to be a #1. Rose isn't ever going to be healthy to be a #1.

Perhaps I'm just reacting to a tough loss, but I really dislike how many occurances of poor shooting we get from him.

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:They have to upgrade N'Dour an Baker positions...I still don't get why folks like Jennings..Two critical consecutive possession he gave KOQ the ball at the elbow...KOQ had to make a difficult pass to Melo twice..Jennings has to get that to Melo where he needs it...

That's the Triangle offense, isn't it? KOQ is in the pinch post and he orchestrates a lot of the plays from there.

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo and Jennings and CLee didn't have much tonight. Rose going down was too much too overcome. Bench made a nice run but they were totally out of gas with about 3min left and then the starters came back and continued to have nothing.

Knicks should've run a much better play with 15 seconds left in regulation - they had the ball, tie game, last shot and Jennigns took way too long to set it up and KP had to rush a wing shot from 16ft. Terrible play - they gave away their best chance to win the game.

But, also, can't help but feel the Knicks were due to lose a close one. They had been 6-0 in those games.

Lee had a strong game first half..But he need flow to get his looks..Jennings is a decent passer but he doesn't provide flow..He dribbles too much then the next pass is a shot...

Yeah, I've said before I think CLee is a bellwether player for this offense. His not getting open looks means bad ball movement. If Phil had made his Melo comments after tonight's game, no one could argue.

Only other thing I'll add is that Kuz was +9 in 4min. Wish he'd gotten some fourth quarter run when everyone else was exhausted.

They had to play Baker and get him acclimated to playing meaningful minutes cuz Rose is gonna need time to heal his back. We can't have only BJ at the PG spot.

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nyknickzingis wrote:Melo's inconsistency just drives me bonkers.

He's basically a jumpshooter, and I get that, but for the player who is supposed to be the #1 option, you just can't win at a high rate if he's having so many bad shooting nights. I get what Phil was saying about Melo being a good isolation player, but there just isn't a comparison to Kobe or Jordan. It happens too often. Melo with an off night.How many guys who lead their teams to a strong record or contention have as many bad shooting games as Melo does? Yes he has many great ones, but way too many bad ones in my book. We even practically won this game without him in the 4th, only for some silly mistakes by Baker and Jennings late.

Nice effort in the 4th, O'Quinn was a beast. Porzingis continues to be a marvel. Just can't see us becoming a 3rd seed or higher in the East if Melo continues his inconsistent shooting through a regular season. We need a top option that is more consistent. Unfortunately Melo would make a great #2 or 3. KP isn't ready to be a #1. Rose isn't ever going to be healthy to be a #1.

Perhaps I'm just reacting to a tough loss, but I really dislike how many occurances of poor shooting we get from him.

The problem is KP doesn't know how to use his size in the post to get his shot. He gets muscled off his spot too often, so he's not a great one on one player. Most of his shots come off good ball movement from Melo and Jennings. It's on Melo to be a better ball mover when he's shooting so bad. We've seen him long enough to know he never gets calls inside. So he needs to move the ball. He did that well against the Lakers but not tonight.

Also that bench unit showed that sometimes a run can come from great D. Something we rarely see from the starters. We need to play better offense if it's the starters. The bench showed what Good D can look like - I would say that was the first prolonged defensive run all year they made in the 4th. Just ran out of gas.

Surprised that Jennings was so ineffective as a scorer, though he did have the 5 assists. Losing Rose was a killer in this game.

We also had 5 more FTs with the same number made as the Suns...Noah only 2/6.

With all the poor play we still should have won.

So it goes.

Knixkik wrote:KOQ changes the whole game. He's really that good.

His midrange shot has really improved...great off-season for him, and it shows.

nyknickzingis wrote:

Jennings running the offense in Cleveland with Rose out...In the Cleveland we ran the offense thru Jennings not Melo...Watch that game again..

I meant to say that our offense as a team tends to stall much more than contenders because in my opinion we don't have a superstar player who can get us through those situations. Lebron can do it, Curry or Durant. Harden is doing it in Houston. Melo does it sometimes, but not on a consistent enough basis to be stalling the offense to cater to his needs. We should run a more point guard friendly offense and more off the ball plays. We do that already, but still as a team tend to quickly get caught in the trap of playing stalled slower Melo friendly offense. If we want to make a run for the 3rd seed or something really high like that, we need to erase that. Melo should be getting the most shots, but within the creation of the offense or point guards finding him. Not through the offense stalling.

The offense we ran in Cleveland was thru Jennings and it was a point guard offense..Melo took 9 shot and was 5-9..Posters thought Melo was protesting Phil's comments but I thought it was Jennings offense..