fishmike wrote:if you cant getting laid, why arent you cutting your dick off?

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:if you cant getting laid, why arent you cutting your dick off?

sheesh--I just got phantom pains in my Gallo

GSW has the same juvenile celebrations and it's the same message. If you wsnt to shut us up, then beat us. We haven't earned it yet, but this team has only been together 20 games and played w/o our starting pg on a back2back. This team isn't done yet. It just reafirms that we can't be complacent if we want to be an upper echelon team. Oh, and Phil really needs to just STFU already. Every time he opens his mouth it's contravertial.

fishmike wrote:if you cant getting laid, why arent you cutting your dick off?

This is funny and also a very good analogy when it comes to this topic. It's spot on, in fact.

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:if you cant getting laid, why arent you cutting your dick off?

This is funny and also a very good analogy when it comes to this topic. It's spot on, in fact.

I guess "Castration" was too big a word?

Have to look at the big picture- We were coming off a game on Tuesday while Cavs had last played on Monday, and the Heat game was tougher for us than we had hoped it would be. We were also missing a key player on our team, and a guy who can do things on offense when the rest of the team is having problems.

I think yesterday was a game where the Triangle- if run well, might have helped us out on offense. I just don't see a coordinated effort out there at times, and there are too many instances where we stand around.

KP looks tired- my own feeling is that he tries to do too much, especially when he gets too involved in watching the interior and not concentrating on his man. His first instinct is to help out down low and block shots, and this puts him into situations where he has to run out too much to reach his man who is taking a 3. By the same token, on offense he is looking too much like a small forward at times, and I feel he wastes a lot of energy trying to get free (He gets missed a lot by teammates when he is doing this, by the way.). I think you can see the fatigue when you see how flat his J is. He has to learn how to regulate his energy use.

I would not go crazy over one loss like this, just like I would not go crazy over a good win, either. Seems to me that we're a competitive team, despite yesterday. Guys just have to stay healthy, and we should be able to compete with and beat most of the teams in the East.

WaltLongmire wrote:Boy...we were feeling much better around here following that Miami game...

Have to look at the big picture- We were coming off a game on Tuesday while Cavs had last played on Monday, and the Heat game was tougher for us than we had hoped it would be. We were also missing a key player on our team, and a guy who can do things on offense when the rest of the team is having problems.

I think yesterday was a game where the Triangle- if run well, might have helped us out on offense. I just don't see a coordinated effort out there at times, and there are too many instances where we stand around.

KP looks tired- my own feeling is that he tries to do too much, especially when he gets too involved in watching the interior and not concentrating on his man. His first instinct is to help out down low and block shots, and this puts him into situations where he has to run out too much to reach his man who is taking a 3. By the same token, on offense he is looking too much like a small forward at times, and I feel he wastes a lot of energy trying to get free (He gets missed a lot by teammates when he is doing this, by the way.). I think you can see the fatigue when you see how flat his J is. He has to learn how to regulate his energy use.

I would not go crazy over one loss like this, just like I would not go crazy over a good win, either. Seems to me that we're a competitive team, despite yesterday. Guys just have to stay healthy, and we should be able to compete with and beat most of the teams in the East.

IMO you have to have a PG like Rose that can breakdown a defense and force the Cavs to scramble. You need to run a spread offense and make them defend a HUGE amount of space rather than a smaller space as you have in the Triangle. In fact i'd start my Drag Screens WAY above the 3pt line and force their defenders to have to come further out which will create more space and force them to cover much more ground. That to me is how the Knicks should be playing the Cavs.

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Boy...we were feeling much better around here following that Miami game...

Have to look at the big picture- We were coming off a game on Tuesday while Cavs had last played on Monday, and the Heat game was tougher for us than we had hoped it would be. We were also missing a key player on our team, and a guy who can do things on offense when the rest of the team is having problems.

I think yesterday was a game where the Triangle- if run well, might have helped us out on offense. I just don't see a coordinated effort out there at times, and there are too many instances where we stand around.

KP looks tired- my own feeling is that he tries to do too much, especially when he gets too involved in watching the interior and not concentrating on his man. His first instinct is to help out down low and block shots, and this puts him into situations where he has to run out too much to reach his man who is taking a 3. By the same token, on offense he is looking too much like a small forward at times, and I feel he wastes a lot of energy trying to get free (He gets missed a lot by teammates when he is doing this, by the way.). I think you can see the fatigue when you see how flat his J is. He has to learn how to regulate his energy use.

I would not go crazy over one loss like this, just like I would not go crazy over a good win, either. Seems to me that we're a competitive team, despite yesterday. Guys just have to stay healthy, and we should be able to compete with and beat most of the teams in the East.

I agree with you about the big picture. This is just one game and it was kind of setup for the Cavs to ambush the Knicks. I disagree a bit about the use of more Triangle. I think that against the defense of the Cavs that you only make things easier for them if you run 3 PASS sets as you would in the Triangle. The Cavs simply pressure and disrupt the passing angles and you spend too much time trying to make entry passes only to get them tipped and stolen. That's playing right into their hands.

IMO you have to have a PG like Rose that can breakdown a defense and force the Cavs to scramble. You need to run a spread offense and make them defend a HUGE amount of space rather than a smaller space as you have in the Triangle. In fact i'd start my Drag Screens WAY above the 3pt line and force their defenders to have to come further out which will create more space and force them to cover much more ground. That to me is how the Knicks should be playing the Cavs.

All that and maybe get the refs out of LeQ's posse... we get no calls, absolutely none.

A nixluva post nixing the Triangle. Just shows how far we've come as a fan board.

KP4Life wrote:Is it really that much better to have a winning culture? I don't think Melo even wants to create a winning culture for years and years until we win a championship. He doesn't even have enough time.

Sorry, think you are looking for the Philadelphia 76ers board. How is that working for them?

HofstraBBall wrote:

KP4Life wrote:Is it really that much better to have a winning culture? I don't think Melo even wants to create a winning culture for years and years until we win a championship. He doesn't even have enough time.

Sorry, think you are looking for the Philadelphia 76ers board. How is that working for them?

I loved following this team in the 90s- it was a rollercoaster and a heart breaker, but it never felt like a waste of time even though we didn't get a championship

jrodmc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Boy...we were feeling much better around here following that Miami game...

Have to look at the big picture- We were coming off a game on Tuesday while Cavs had last played on Monday, and the Heat game was tougher for us than we had hoped it would be. We were also missing a key player on our team, and a guy who can do things on offense when the rest of the team is having problems.

I think yesterday was a game where the Triangle- if run well, might have helped us out on offense. I just don't see a coordinated effort out there at times, and there are too many instances where we stand around.

KP looks tired- my own feeling is that he tries to do too much, especially when he gets too involved in watching the interior and not concentrating on his man. His first instinct is to help out down low and block shots, and this puts him into situations where he has to run out too much to reach his man who is taking a 3. By the same token, on offense he is looking too much like a small forward at times, and I feel he wastes a lot of energy trying to get free (He gets missed a lot by teammates when he is doing this, by the way.). I think you can see the fatigue when you see how flat his J is. He has to learn how to regulate his energy use.

I would not go crazy over one loss like this, just like I would not go crazy over a good win, either. Seems to me that we're a competitive team, despite yesterday. Guys just have to stay healthy, and we should be able to compete with and beat most of the teams in the East.

I agree with you about the big picture. This is just one game and it was kind of setup for the Cavs to ambush the Knicks. I disagree a bit about the use of more Triangle. I think that against the defense of the Cavs that you only make things easier for them if you run 3 PASS sets as you would in the Triangle. The Cavs simply pressure and disrupt the passing angles and you spend too much time trying to make entry passes only to get them tipped and stolen. That's playing right into their hands.

IMO you have to have a PG like Rose that can breakdown a defense and force the Cavs to scramble. You need to run a spread offense and make them defend a HUGE amount of space rather than a smaller space as you have in the Triangle. In fact i'd start my Drag Screens WAY above the 3pt line and force their defenders to have to come further out which will create more space and force them to cover much more ground. That to me is how the Knicks should be playing the Cavs.

All that and maybe get the refs out of LeQ's posse... we get no calls, absolutely none.

A nixluva post nixing the Triangle. Just shows how far we've come as a fan board.

They can keep some aspects of the Triangle which is perfectly fine, but I think they've given up on some things that were working. Like Down Screens for KP so he can get more open Catch and Shoot looks. Jeff has made some adjustments in favor of how Rose plays best. I don't think they've perfected those adjustments yet. There should be more of a use of the 2 man game with Rose and KP. IMO let Melo roam and be more of a catch and shoot guy. I understand why they use more Triangle with the Starters, but I think they should feature some different aspects of it rather than the same basic and predictable things.

I don't see why they can't mix in some 1-4 UCLA Cut stuff that Jeff used in the past.

Or plays like this: