VCoug wrote:

meloanyk wrote:http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021

What's your point? Obama signed a bill that required visitors from those countries to go through the Visa process. Trump is outright banning people from those countries from visiting, immigrating, or applying for refugee status even if they're green card holders/permanent legal residents. How is this in any way the same thing?

This happens everyday in every airport in America to permanent residents. If they are permanent residents or u.s. citizens they are released after being vetted. The laws have been in place. They are just being enforced now. Unfortunately, there is no easy answer to protecting your country from terrorism. Especially when it is homegrown and carried not only by immigrants but by the citizens born here. In my hometown. Of course the media and the left are doing what they do best by spreading the false narrative that they are banning and deporting legal residents and citizens. All in hopes of getting a democrat elected in four years.

gunsnewing wrote:

VCoug wrote:

meloanyk wrote:http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021

What's your point? Obama signed a bill that required visitors from those countries to go through the Visa process. Trump is outright banning people from those countries from visiting, immigrating, or applying for refugee status even if they're green card holders/permanent legal residents. How is this in any way the same thing?

This happens everyday in every airport in America to permanent residents. If they are permanent residents or u.s. citizens they are released after being vetted. The laws have been in place. They are just being enforced now. Unfortunately, there is no easy answer to protecting your country from terrorism. Especially when it is homegrown and carried not only by immigrants but by the citizens born here. In my hometown. Of course the media and the left are doing what they do best by spreading the false narrative that they are banning and deporting legal residents and citizens. All in hopes of getting a democrat elected in four years.

First of all, the visa process is the vetting process. Second of all, the Exec Order isn't about vetting; it's a blanket ban for anyone, dual-citizens, greencard holders, and refugees, from entering the US if they're from or have visited any of the listed countries.

newyorknewyork wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ex-kgb-spy-cited-in-the-trump-blackmail-dossier-just_us_588e3f0de4b0cd25e4904a24

Russian intel agent who helped leak the Trump "golden shower" scandal found dead in the back of his car.

I remember reading a while back that the guy who released the dossier abandoned his home in London after the release..

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I swore I wouldn't look at this topic . . . busman's holiday, sanity, and all but . . . I read a few pages and this didn't make me as depressed as the last time I looked. Maybe it's that things are so ****ed up and bull**** that mild crazy looks okay or maybe my expectations have dropped. I see a lot more sense here than I did during the election. I have faith that at least a few people here are realizing that, no, the election was no joke. And, I _think_ I see a few people paying attention and maybe, just maybe, changing their minds.

I'm hoping that some people who said that they were concerned about terrorism are realizing that this weekend's travel ban is a gift to ISIS. That a president who puts guys who _want_ a war with Islam on the National Security Council is maybe not a wise man. That a Secretary of the Treasury from Goldman Sachs is maybe not what you had in mind when Trump attacked Clinton for speaking at Goldman Sachs. That the GOP plan for health care is basically less health care for more money. It's maybe the same discussion as during the election but, whew, the specifics have changed a lot.

I work in a odd little nook of politics, a largely non-partisan job but one that comes with absorbing large amounts of political news and thinking and when I go home at night . . . I like basketball, among other things. Sadly, every day, I wrestle with "This is not a joke!!!" So, because it's no joke--perhaps less of joke than any other time in my life--once in a while, a New Year's pledge basically, I'm going to mix politics with bball. Steve Kerr and Pops do it :)

arkrud wrote:

NumberTwoPencil wrote:No, not a joke.

I swore I wouldn't look at this topic . . . busman's holiday, sanity, and all but . . . I read a few pages and this didn't make me as depressed as the last time I looked. Maybe it's that things are so ****ed up and bull**** that mild crazy looks okay or maybe my expectations have dropped. I see a lot more sense here than I did during the election. I have faith that at least a few people here are realizing that, no, the election was no joke. And, I _think_ I see a few people paying attention and maybe, just maybe, changing their minds.

I'm hoping that some people who said that they were concerned about terrorism are realizing that this weekend's travel ban is a gift to ISIS. That a president who puts guys who _want_ a war with Islam on the National Security Council is maybe not a wise man. That a Secretary of the Treasury from Goldman Sachs is maybe not what you had in mind when Trump attacked Clinton for speaking at Goldman Sachs. That the GOP plan for health care is basically less health care for more money. It's maybe the same discussion as during the election but, whew, the specifics have changed a lot.

I work in a odd little nook of politics, a largely non-partisan job but one that comes with absorbing large amounts of political news and thinking and when I go home at night . . . I like basketball, among other things. Sadly, every day, I wrestle with "This is not a joke!!!" So, because it's no joke--perhaps less of joke than any other time in my life--once in a while, a New Year's pledge basically, I'm going to mix politics with bball. Steve Kerr and Pops do it :)

Trump making a good job of waking out America.
No matter right or wrong he will took country out of the rabbit hole of denial.
The world turmoil is real and America cannot escape it of buy its way out.
American people will have to take sites and make decisions and leave with consequences.
I know this is uncomfortable, disturbing, and hard but not avoidable anymore.

Trump and his supporters are short sighted yet shockingly *cocksure in the ignorance they wish to project on others...It's not enough that you bear this ugly hatred in your hearts but you want it shared and adapted by the world. Well the majority chose what was opposite to Trump's beliefs and you see it in various protest. The fact that he is in the White House doesn't mean he has the endorsement of the entire country but fact is, the minority. He can run off and start wars like other ideologues but he will be isolated and sidelined with his supporters. The quicker people on the sidelines are awakened the better. So Trump's behavior does have it's benefits that could pay dividends in the long run...So while you look for support in your fractious agenda, I hope this is the awakening all of America, if not the World, needs...

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NumberTwoPencil wrote:No, not a joke.

I swore I wouldn't look at this topic . . . busman's holiday, sanity, and all but . . . I read a few pages and this didn't make me as depressed as the last time I looked. Maybe it's that things are so ****ed up and bull**** that mild crazy looks okay or maybe my expectations have dropped. I see a lot more sense here than I did during the election. I have faith that at least a few people here are realizing that, no, the election was no joke. And, I _think_ I see a few people paying attention and maybe, just maybe, changing their minds.

I'm hoping that some people who said that they were concerned about terrorism are realizing that this weekend's travel ban is a gift to ISIS. That a president who puts guys who _want_ a war with Islam on the National Security Council is maybe not a wise man. That a Secretary of the Treasury from Goldman Sachs is maybe not what you had in mind when Trump attacked Clinton for speaking at Goldman Sachs. That the GOP plan for health care is basically less health care for more money. It's maybe the same discussion as during the election but, whew, the specifics have changed a lot.

I work in a odd little nook of politics, a largely non-partisan job but one that comes with absorbing large amounts of political news and thinking and when I go home at night . . . I like basketball, among other things. Sadly, every day, I wrestle with "This is not a joke!!!" So, because it's no joke--perhaps less of joke than any other time in my life--once in a while, a New Year's pledge basically, I'm going to mix politics with bball. Steve Kerr and Pops do it :)

Trump making a good job of waking out America.
No matter right or wrong he will took country out of the rabbit hole of denial.
The world turmoil is real and America cannot escape it of buy its way out.
American people will have to take sites and make decisions and leave with consequences.
I know this is uncomfortable, disturbing, and hard but not avoidable anymore.

Trump and his supporters are short sighted yet shockingly *cocksure in the ignorance they wish to project on others...It's not enough that you bear this ugly hatred in your hearts but you want it shared and adapted by the world. Well the majority chose what was opposite to Trump's beliefs and you see it in various protest. The fact that he is in the White House doesn't mean he has the endorsement of the entire country but fact is, the minority. He can run off and start wars like other ideologues but he will be isolated and sidelined with his supporters. The quicker people on the sidelines are awakened the better. So Trump's behavior does have it's benefits that could pay dividends in the long run...So while you look for support in your fractious agenda, I hope this is the awakening all of America, if not the World, needs...

I am glad that we agree on this.
This is the test of the strength of American Republican system of governance.
And this a test how far the American society evolved to prevent emergence of totalitarian state which can come from both left and right.
Can we as a nation swing back to center and common sense?
This will define our future and ultimately the future of the whole world.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NumberTwoPencil wrote:No, not a joke.

I swore I wouldn't look at this topic . . . busman's holiday, sanity, and all but . . . I read a few pages and this didn't make me as depressed as the last time I looked. Maybe it's that things are so ****ed up and bull**** that mild crazy looks okay or maybe my expectations have dropped. I see a lot more sense here than I did during the election. I have faith that at least a few people here are realizing that, no, the election was no joke. And, I _think_ I see a few people paying attention and maybe, just maybe, changing their minds.

I'm hoping that some people who said that they were concerned about terrorism are realizing that this weekend's travel ban is a gift to ISIS. That a president who puts guys who _want_ a war with Islam on the National Security Council is maybe not a wise man. That a Secretary of the Treasury from Goldman Sachs is maybe not what you had in mind when Trump attacked Clinton for speaking at Goldman Sachs. That the GOP plan for health care is basically less health care for more money. It's maybe the same discussion as during the election but, whew, the specifics have changed a lot.

I work in a odd little nook of politics, a largely non-partisan job but one that comes with absorbing large amounts of political news and thinking and when I go home at night . . . I like basketball, among other things. Sadly, every day, I wrestle with "This is not a joke!!!" So, because it's no joke--perhaps less of joke than any other time in my life--once in a while, a New Year's pledge basically, I'm going to mix politics with bball. Steve Kerr and Pops do it :)

Trump making a good job of waking out America.
No matter right or wrong he will took country out of the rabbit hole of denial.
The world turmoil is real and America cannot escape it of buy its way out.
American people will have to take sites and make decisions and leave with consequences.
I know this is uncomfortable, disturbing, and hard but not avoidable anymore.

Trump and his supporters are short sighted yet shockingly *cocksure in the ignorance they wish to project on others...It's not enough that you bear this ugly hatred in your hearts but you want it shared and adapted by the world. Well the majority chose what was opposite to Trump's beliefs and you see it in various protest. The fact that he is in the White House doesn't mean he has the endorsement of the entire country but fact is, the minority. He can run off and start wars like other ideologues but he will be isolated and sidelined with his supporters. The quicker people on the sidelines are awakened the better. So Trump's behavior does have it's benefits that could pay dividends in the long run...So while you look for support in your fractious agenda, I hope this is the awakening all of America, if not the World, needs...

I am glad that we agree on this.
This is the test of the strength of American Republican system of governance.
And this a test how far the American society evolved to prevent emergence of totalitarian state which can come from both left and right.
Can we as a nation swing back to center and common sense?
This will define our future and ultimately the future of the whole world.

Agree... but its a test MANY countries face at the moment! Its way to short sighted to make this an unique American problem even though of course the US has a strong weight in international affairs... but can you imagine Trump facing Putin facing an EU led by LePen, Orban, Petry (German AFD right-head party leader), May and other nationalist leaders?! Thats chaos for the world!