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WaltLongmire
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12/9/2016  11:40 PM
djsunyc wrote:the democrats need to stop being pu$$ies and make this a major issue.

You can make a case that Obama should have stepped up in September and called McConnell's bluff that he was going to cry partisan politics...I think Obama could have won that battle...but we will never know.

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12/10/2016  3:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2016  3:38 AM
reub wrote:You guys have to stop acting like such whining babies. You lost the election fair and square so just give the guy a chance.

Why do you think the election was some sort of sports game? It's not a game. Why would I give a lying, corrupt, tax dodging, sex-assaulting, bullying, mysogonost, racist and homophobe a chance?

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12/10/2016  8:44 AM
reub wrote:You guys have to stop acting like such whining babies. You lost the election fair and square so just give the guy a chance.

This kind of post is just as unproductive as the ones EMS got warned for IMO. How are you expecting to start a serious, respectful discussion with a post like this? This is a discussion forum.
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12/10/2016  9:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2016  9:22 AM
trump was right - this election was rigged...in his favor. russia and gop colluding to get trump elected. comey letter bomb a week before the elections while he was in on the meetings about russia. and the trump folks just don't care. why?

this is a sports forum, right? think of it this way, hillary is the cavs, trump is the 76ers...and the ref is tim donaghy.

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12/10/2016  9:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2016  9:42 AM
i guess russia owns the GOP now too lol...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.

In the months before the election, it was largely documents from Democratic Party systems that were leaked to the public. Intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russians gave the Democrats’ documents to WikiLeaks.

Republicans have a different explanation for why no documents from their networks were ever released. Over the past several months, officials from the Republican committee have consistently said that their networks were not compromised, asserting that only the accounts of individual Republicans were attacked. On Friday, a senior committee official said he had no comment.

Mr. Trump’s transition office issued a statement Friday evening reflecting the deep divisions that emerged between his campaign and the intelligence agencies over Russian meddling in the election. “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” the statement said. “The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again.’”

One senior government official, who had been briefed on an F.B.I. investigation into the matter, said that while there were attempts to penetrate the Republican committee’s systems, they were not successful.

But the intelligence agencies’ conclusions that the hacking efforts were successful, which have been presented to President Obama and other senior officials, add a complex wrinkle to the question of what the Kremlin’s evolving objectives were in intervening in the American presidential election.

“We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents” from the Republican organization, one senior administration official said, referring to the Russians.

It is unclear how many files were stolen from the Republican committee; in some cases, investigators never get a clear picture. It is also far from clear that Russia’s original intent was to support Mr. Trump, and many intelligence officials — and former officials in Mrs. Clinton’s campaign — believe that the primary motive of the Russians was to simply disrupt the campaign and undercut confidence in the integrity of the vote.

The Russians were as surprised as everyone else at Mr. Trump’s victory, intelligence officials said. Had Mrs. Clinton won, they believe, emails stolen from the Democratic committee and from senior members of her campaign could have been used to undercut her legitimacy. The intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia tried to help Mr. Trump was first reported by The Washington Post.

In briefings to the White House and Congress, intelligence officials, including those from the C.I.A. and the National Security Agency, have identified individual Russian officials they believe were responsible. But none have been publicly penalized.

It is possible that in hacking into the Republican committee, Russian agents were simply hedging their bets. The attack took place in the spring, the senior officials said, about the same time that a group of hackers believed to be linked to the G.R.U., Russia’s military intelligence agency, stole the emails of senior officials of the Democratic National Committee. Intelligence agencies believe that the Republican committee hack was carried out by the same Russians who penetrated the Democratic committee and other Democratic groups.

The finding about the Republican committee is expected to be included in a detailed report of “lessons learned” that Mr. Obama has ordered intelligence agencies to assemble before he leaves office on Jan. 20. That report is intended, in part, to create a comprehensive history of the Russian effort to influence the election, and to solidify the intelligence findings before Mr. Trump is sworn in.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly cast doubt about any intelligence suggesting a Russian effort to influence the election. “I don’t believe they interfered,” he told Time magazine in an interview published this week. He suggested that hackers could come from China, or that “it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

Intelligence officials and private cybersecurity companies believe that the Democratic National Committee was hacked by two different Russian cyberunits. One, called “Cozy Bear” or “A.P.T. 29” by some Western security experts, is believed to have spent months inside the D.N.C. computer network, as well as other government and political institutions, but never made public any of the documents it took. (A.P.T. stands for “Advanced Persistent Threat,” which usually describes a sophisticated state-sponsored cyberintruder.)

The other, the G.R.U.-controlled unit known as “Fancy Bear,” or “A.P.T. 28,” is believed to have created two outlets on the internet, Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks, to make Democratic documents public. Many of the documents were also provided to WikiLeaks, which released them over many weeks before the Nov. 8 election.

Representative Michael McCaul, the Texas Republican who is the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said on CNN in September that the R.N.C. had been hacked by Russia, but then quickly withdrew the claim.

Mr. McCaul, who was considered by Mr. Trump for secretary of Homeland Security, initially told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “It’s important to note, Wolf, that they have not only hacked into the D.N.C. but also into the R.N.C.” He added that “the Russians have basically hacked into both parties at the national level, and that gives us all concern about what their motivations are.”

Minutes later, the R.N.C. issued a statement denying that it had been hacked. Mr. McCaul subsequently said that he had misspoken, but that it was true that “Republican political operatives” had been the target of Russian hacking. So were establishment Republicans with no ties to the campaign, including former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell.

Mr. McCaul may have had in mind a collection of more than 200 emails of Republican officials and activists that appeared this year on the website DCLeaks.com. That website got far more attention for the many Democratic Party documents it posted.

The messages stolen from Republicans have drawn little attention because most are routine business emails from local Republican Party officials in several states, congressional staff members and party activists.

Among those whose emails were posted was Peter W. Smith, who runs a venture capital firm in Chicago and has long been active in “opposition research” for the Republican Party. He said he was unaware that his emails had been hacked until he was called by a reporter on Thursday.

He said he believes that his material came from a hack of the Illinois Republican Party.

“I’m not upset at all,” he said. “I try in my communications, quite frankly, not to say anything that would be embarrassing if made public.”

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12/10/2016  9:52 AM
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reub wrote:You guys have to stop acting like such whining babies. You lost the election fair and square so just give the guy a chance.

Why do you think the election was some sort of sports game? It's not a game. Why would I give a lying, corrupt, tax dodging, sex-assaulting, bullying, mysogonost, racist and homophobe a chance?

You're out of your mind. Honestly bonkers.

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12/10/2016  9:54 AM
briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?
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12/10/2016  10:01 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
reub wrote:You guys have to stop acting like such whining babies. You lost the election fair and square so just give the guy a chance.

Why do you think the election was some sort of sports game? It's not a game. Why would I give a lying, corrupt, tax dodging, sex-assaulting, bullying, mysogonost, racist and homophobe a chance?

You're out of your mind. Honestly bonkers.

I don't get your point! All of those things are TRUE about Trump! He's not a good person and he's a Prolific liar!!! Do you just have some kind of mental block that doesn't allow you to perceive lies???

Explain how Trump gets away with outsourcing, using undocumented labor and bringing in foreign workers so he can pay them LESS! Trump has stiffed small businesses. How is it you can just ignore all of this???

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12/10/2016  11:29 AM
trump and his team are taking russia's side over us government agencies. his transition team's statement trying to discredit the cia is indefensible. hoodwinked lol.
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12/10/2016  11:33 AM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
reub wrote:You guys have to stop acting like such whining babies. You lost the election fair and square so just give the guy a chance.

Why do you think the election was some sort of sports game? It's not a game. Why would I give a lying, corrupt, tax dodging, sex-assaulting, bullying, mysogonost, racist and homophobe a chance?

You're out of your mind. Honestly bonkers.

I don't get your point! All of those things are TRUE about Trump! He's not a good person and he's a Prolific liar!!! Do you just have some kind of mental block that doesn't allow you to perceive lies???

Explain how Trump gets away with outsourcing, using undocumented labor and bringing in foreign workers so he can pay them LESS! Trump has stiffed small businesses. How is it you can just ignore all of this???

briggs won't answer any direct questions. he is going with his gut and will respond in generalities. "he's a builder". "he's fix infrastructure." "he'll create jobs". buzz words and catchphrases.

it's a shame b/c he's highly educated and would like to hear a educated detailed response from him since he voted for trump. i would like to hear him explain why he voted for him in the same way he analytically is able to invest his own money.

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12/10/2016  12:06 PM
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier

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12/10/2016  12:39 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier


Soros?

You are one of the 75%+ who believes the fake news that Soros was paying off protesters?

Both candidates had wealthy supporters, Briggs, but only one talked about the other being in bed with Wall Street, demonized Goldman Sachs, and talked about "draining the swamp," and that person has now added 3 members of Goldman Sachs to his administration and chosen other economic elitists whose donated big time to Trump or Trump related PACs.

Where is the Blue Collar Billionaire Populist, Briggs? Why do you think Wall Street is so happy now?

The hypocrisy is deafening.

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12/10/2016  12:50 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier


Obama should re-sign?! And you thought someone else was bonkers?!
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12/10/2016  3:01 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier


Soros?

You are one of the 75%+ who believes the fake news that Soros was paying off protesters?

Both candidates had wealthy supporters, Briggs, but only one talked about the other being in bed with Wall Street, demonized Goldman Sachs, and talked about "draining the swamp," and that person has now added 3 members of Goldman Sachs to his administration and chosen other economic elitists whose donated big time to Trump or Trump related PACs.

Where is the Blue Collar Billionaire Populist, Briggs? Why do you think Wall Street is so happy now?

The hypocrisy is deafening.

exxon guy in bed with russia.
trump in bed with russia.

but clinton giving speeches is probably way worse.

as for soros - like walt said - every candidate gets money from less than "ideal upright citizens". but who cares about that. we are talking about foreign government interaction with compliance from the gop. this is f cked up.

and if trump folks don't care about that...then care about the fact his appointments are filled with grade a selfish a-holes that have historically tried to keep people from moving forward. the labor guy doesn't want to increase minimum wage. WTF? this is some twisted ****.

i'll say one thing - at least they're not trying to hide the lies and corruption - but then again, i guess they don't have to.

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12/10/2016  3:20 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier


Soros?

You are one of the 75%+ who believes the fake news that Soros was paying off protesters?

Both candidates had wealthy supporters, Briggs, but only one talked about the other being in bed with Wall Street, demonized Goldman Sachs, and talked about "draining the swamp," and that person has now added 3 members of Goldman Sachs to his administration and chosen other economic elitists whose donated big time to Trump or Trump related PACs.

Where is the Blue Collar Billionaire Populist, Briggs? Why do you think Wall Street is so happy now?

The hypocrisy is deafening.

I don't really care about protestors Walt. If you know who George Soros is then I'd doubt you'd really want to associate with him. Whatever you think negatively about Trump I would wager a lot of money Hillary is way worse.

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12/10/2016  4:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier


Soros?

You are one of the 75%+ who believes the fake news that Soros was paying off protesters?

Both candidates had wealthy supporters, Briggs, but only one talked about the other being in bed with Wall Street, demonized Goldman Sachs, and talked about "draining the swamp," and that person has now added 3 members of Goldman Sachs to his administration and chosen other economic elitists whose donated big time to Trump or Trump related PACs.

Where is the Blue Collar Billionaire Populist, Briggs? Why do you think Wall Street is so happy now?

The hypocrisy is deafening.

I don't really care about protestors Walt. If you know who George Soros is then I'd doubt you'd really want to associate with him. Whatever you think negatively about Trump I would wager a lot of money Hillary is way worse.


You may be TRULY LOST!!! I don't have the patience to go thru the entire litany of Republican backers with seriously sinister backgrounds, but all you can do is mention Soros as if he even comes CLOSE to all the people backing Trump and the Republicans. Yes the Republicans! Remember them? This is not just about Trump, who you've fixated on.

You haven't accepted it yet, tho I believe you already know that you got PLAYED by Trump!!! This entire thing is F'd all the way to the top. Some of us have tried to warn you and Trump Voters that this thing was crooked and you guys laughed off the Russian influence as if it was nothing, so long as they were attacking Hillary and the Dems. That was shortsighted and cynical. For the Republicans it was a dangerous decision and they should be ashamed of themselves for putting the country at risk for political expedience.

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nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier


Soros?

You are one of the 75%+ who believes the fake news that Soros was paying off protesters?

Both candidates had wealthy supporters, Briggs, but only one talked about the other being in bed with Wall Street, demonized Goldman Sachs, and talked about "draining the swamp," and that person has now added 3 members of Goldman Sachs to his administration and chosen other economic elitists whose donated big time to Trump or Trump related PACs.

Where is the Blue Collar Billionaire Populist, Briggs? Why do you think Wall Street is so happy now?

The hypocrisy is deafening.

I don't really care about protestors Walt. If you know who George Soros is then I'd doubt you'd really want to associate with him. Whatever you think negatively about Trump I would wager a lot of money Hillary is way worse.


You may be TRULY LOST!!! I don't have the patience to go thru the entire litany of Republican backers with seriously sinister backgrounds, but all you can do is mention Soros as if he even comes CLOSE to all the people backing Trump and the Republicans. Yes the Republicans! Remember them? This is not just about Trump, who you've fixated on.

You haven't accepted it yet, tho I believe you already know that you got PLAYED by Trump!!! This entire thing is F'd all the way to the top. Some of us have tried to warn you and Trump Voters that this thing was crooked and you guys laughed off the Russian influence as if it was nothing, so long as they were attacking Hillary and the Dems. That was shortsighted and cynical. For the Republicans it was a dangerous decision and they should be ashamed of themselves for putting the country at risk for political expedience.

You need some Ativan my man.

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Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier


Obama should re-sign?! And you thought someone else was bonkers?!

If someone believes that the Russians hacked into our voting machines than the President of the U S should resign. That would mean our CIC failed to keep America safe. I personally don't think it happened but if it can be proven without doubt-- the top man has to take the fall

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BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:briggs - what is your opinion about russia's involvement in the election?

I hope Russia did not have involvement. If they did that doesn't speak highly of our current national cyber security. If true a lot of people should be fired and Obama should've stepped down.

What can you tell me about George Soros? That was Hillary's main financier


Obama should re-sign?! And you thought someone else was bonkers?!

If someone believes that the Russians hacked into our voting machines than the President of the U S should resign. That would mean our CIC failed to keep America safe. I personally don't think it happened but if it can be proven without doubt-- the top man has to take the fall

You think all the ties to Russia from Trump and his people isn't enough??? You're only concerned if they can prove Election Machine Hacking??? You need to get your priorities straight! It's ALREADY bad enough that the Russians have been actively working to help elect Trump! Ask yourself WHY???

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