That said, I think Noah has more value if the team makes the playoffs. Playoffs are a different animal and you need to match up certain players. Noah has much more value in my book in that situation.

nyknickzingis wrote:Noah can contribute, but if he does, it comes at the cost of Hernangomez/O'Quinn and even Plumlee playing Center. Nevermind that KP plays well in terms of team effectivness at 5. It's a great problem to have - an abundance of good bigs - but we need a more balanced roster as well. Another wing instead of Noah or one of our bigs will really help balance the team up. I hope when Lance Thomas comes back, he is actually healthy. We need more players that can do what Kuz and Holiday do. You can't have enough wings who can defend and stretch the floor these days. Hornachek's offense was ran best last night when we had the Plumlee, KP, Kuz, Holiday and Jennings lineup. The need for a wing who can defend, run the floor and shoot a little is far more than having an additional big man.

That said, I think Noah has more value if the team makes the playoffs. Playoffs are a different animal and you need to match up certain players. Noah has much more value in my book in that situation.

Again, So Towns going 47 and 18, putting up career numbers, in a game that shouldn't be close, doesn't give you pause in making statements like this?..we just eeeked out a win against a team that won 15 games last year, keep that in mind..

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:That Plumlee, KP, Kuz, Holiday and Jennings lineup was a thing of beauty.

Rose was a problem in this game, he seemed to not know what to do on offense in this game. Caused plenty of confusion. Didn't have a positive impact. Was holding the ball too long. Not sure the exact reason.

The play that really stood out to me and the reason Rose was pulled in the 4th: his defense.

The Knicks had an obvious gameplan to leave Rubio wide open and to go under screens. Dude just can't shoot and you live with him making a jumper. During that big Wolves comeback, Rose goes OVER the pick and Dieng gets a wide open dunk down the lane. KOQ probably played the defense wrong too but Rose was the big culprit. Kudos for coach for yanking Rose immediately.

Can't tell about Rose's fouls during the first half, a lot of them seemed ticky-tack and the refs seemed to be one-sided with their calls all game long.

I saw the same thing. Rose played it like he was still in Thibs command and went through the pick. Love the defensive tenacity but you have to have some smarts when defending. Need to know what your opponents strengths and weaknesses are. Rose will get it.

Also..KOQ definitely played that wrong. He was caught in no mans land.

Here's the thing: I'm like 99% sure the team talked about going under the pick specifically with Rubio. Rose f'ed up big time

holfresh wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Noah can contribute, but if he does, it comes at the cost of Hernangomez/O'Quinn and even Plumlee playing Center. Nevermind that KP plays well in terms of team effectivness at 5. It's a great problem to have - an abundance of good bigs - but we need a more balanced roster as well. Another wing instead of Noah or one of our bigs will really help balance the team up. I hope when Lance Thomas comes back, he is actually healthy. We need more players that can do what Kuz and Holiday do. You can't have enough wings who can defend and stretch the floor these days. Hornachek's offense was ran best last night when we had the Plumlee, KP, Kuz, Holiday and Jennings lineup. The need for a wing who can defend, run the floor and shoot a little is far more than having an additional big man.

That said, I think Noah has more value if the team makes the playoffs. Playoffs are a different animal and you need to match up certain players. Noah has much more value in my book in that situation.

Again, So Towns going 47 and 18, putting up career numbers, in a game that shouldn't be close, doesn't give you pause in making statements like this?..we just eeeked out a win against a team that won 15 games last year, keep that in mind..

We were up 17 in the 4th and never trailed in the game.
I've said again and again Noah has value. But not certain he is the best starting 5 option. He encourages 4 on 5 play and feeds the isolation and ball dominant play of Rose and Melo. We want to play in a manner we are not reliant on isolation or too much Rose dribbling. I feel Noah is best served playing with the bench. If he starts we need to limit his minutes with Rose n Melo.

Can't overlook the starters with Noah are one of our worst lineups according to advancedstats.

Sloppy sloppy

martin wrote:You know what I didn't see from the media: One mention about the lousy job Thibs is doing ala their record. All offseason and up until this past week they get their dig in - especially the crap writers from the NY Daily News - about how Phil didn't interview Thibs in a manor of dinging him.

Sloppy sloppy

Yup Yup

nyknickzingis wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Noah can contribute, but if he does, it comes at the cost of Hernangomez/O'Quinn and even Plumlee playing Center. Nevermind that KP plays well in terms of team effectivness at 5. It's a great problem to have - an abundance of good bigs - but we need a more balanced roster as well. Another wing instead of Noah or one of our bigs will really help balance the team up. I hope when Lance Thomas comes back, he is actually healthy. We need more players that can do what Kuz and Holiday do. You can't have enough wings who can defend and stretch the floor these days. Hornachek's offense was ran best last night when we had the Plumlee, KP, Kuz, Holiday and Jennings lineup. The need for a wing who can defend, run the floor and shoot a little is far more than having an additional big man.

That said, I think Noah has more value if the team makes the playoffs. Playoffs are a different animal and you need to match up certain players. Noah has much more value in my book in that situation.

Again, So Towns going 47 and 18, putting up career numbers, in a game that shouldn't be close, doesn't give you pause in making statements like this?..we just eeeked out a win against a team that won 15 games last year, keep that in mind..

We were up 17 in the 4th and never trailed in the game.
I've said again and again Noah has value. But not certain he is the best starting 5 option. He encourages 4 on 5 play and feeds the isolation and ball dominant play of Rose and Melo. We want to play in a manner we are not reliant on isolation or too much Rose dribbling. I feel Noah is best served playing with the bench. If he starts we need to limit his minutes with Rose n Melo.

Can't overlook the starters with Noah are one of our worst lineups according to advancedstats.

But you can certainly ignore our front line getting destroyed on TV without Noah...Did you miss the OKC game??

martin wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:That Plumlee, KP, Kuz, Holiday and Jennings lineup was a thing of beauty.

Rose was a problem in this game, he seemed to not know what to do on offense in this game. Caused plenty of confusion. Didn't have a positive impact. Was holding the ball too long. Not sure the exact reason.

The play that really stood out to me and the reason Rose was pulled in the 4th: his defense.

The Knicks had an obvious gameplan to leave Rubio wide open and to go under screens. Dude just can't shoot and you live with him making a jumper. During that big Wolves comeback, Rose goes OVER the pick and Dieng gets a wide open dunk down the lane. KOQ probably played the defense wrong too but Rose was the big culprit. Kudos for coach for yanking Rose immediately.

Can't tell about Rose's fouls during the first half, a lot of them seemed ticky-tack and the refs seemed to be one-sided with their calls all game long.

Good point but fwiw I prefer those errors. Last year our errors were going under on hot shooters or switching. We will rectify this w time.

Our pg mistakes this year are better than our normal pg play last year

fishmike wrote:Great game. Easy to focus on losing the big lead, but that doesn't diminish the good things they did to get that lead. Fantastic job by the role players to come in and bring energy. This was easily won by our bench who brought fresh legs, high BB IQ, aggressive play made sure you had to play a 5 on 5 game.

Strong finish for Melo following another lemon of a game. He wants to win and knows he's struggling. Hopefully this loosens things some for him. One other thing on MElo, I would challenge him to facilitate and limit his minutes. The more winded he gets the dumber he plays. When he's bouncy he's still one of the best. A cool 30 mpg. Does anyone have a problem with Kuz taking 18 minutes a game behind Melo? He's still an impact player. He wants to be here. I think you just keep his minutes down to 30 to maximize his impact.

Such a fun show watching KP and KAT. KAT is so much more powerful than KP. KP has the length and height. I would say at this point KAT is the higher impact player despite his team's poor record but who cares. They are both amazing and we are lucky to have one of these guys.

This game showed more to me than if they had held onto the lead. There was real pressure here and we came up really big late on both sides of the ball. That was a very Paul Pierce type of game for Melo. I always felts like when we played those Bos teams he would have crappy games shooting... he's be like 5-17 with 15 points and it felt like we would have him check, then he would get a big steal, a big strip, hit a couple clutch shots and Knicks lose. Am I imagining this? We really just needed a road win. Nice gut check IMO

Easy with the Kuz, fish. I'd like the kid to be able to do something other than hit threes before Melo benches himself. They mentioned a few times when Cheese came in the game that he looked out of his league going to the basket or trying to do anything on a break. I want Kuz to be more than Novakaine II.

I hate any Paul Pierce memories, but no, it's not your imagination. Every time we played against that azzhole, it seemed he'd be towel waving or peeing in Spike's beer at the end of every game. And you notice something different about Melo? He makes the shot, he jams the inbounds and ends the game, and he's not dancing around jerking himself off in front of the crowd. He's just talking to Wiggins. Interesting difference.

PP was a an aptly named d-ck.