Too much has been made about Jackson's inability to run the franchise and crashing it into the ground. The way I see it, summer 2017, Knicks have a maximum slot available for a star PG or a star running mate to pair with Porzingis and Melo. The Rose deal has not hurt us at all even if Rose does not play like an all-star as a Knick. He's an expiring contracr and we got Holiday out of the deal as well.

The one move that Phil may ultimately regret big time is the Noah contract. Noah's not been able to make an impact for us defensively or on offense. O'Quinn stepped in for him and the offense looked better with a scoring threat like him. O'Quinn was also very active on defense. O'Quinn makes less than $5 million a year vs Noah's $18 million. I like Noah's competitive spirt but we need to find a better role for him. I know it's only been 13 games but I don't see him a starter next to KP and Melo next 2 years. O'Quinn is younger, plays with more energy. I think Noah should come off the bench.

Starters
O'Quinn
Porzingis
Melo
Lee
Rose

Bench
Hernangomez/Noah
Porzingis/Melo
Thomas/Kuzminskas
Holiday
Jennings

Closing lineup
Porzingis
Melo
Holiday/Lee
Rose
Jennings

nyknickzingis wrote:Phil Jackson's smaller moves have worked out much better than his bigger ones. He defenitely knows how to get talent out of a draft or scouting situation with limited money. This may be his true strength. O'Quinn's play this year has been much better. More importantly it shows that Phil knows talent. He's been extremely limited with resources when it comes to young players. He hasn't had much at his disposal in draft picks. The one draft pick he had he nailed for a homerun in Porzingis. He's gotten very solid pieces in Lance Thomas, O'Quinn, Hernangomez and Holiday for very cheap.

Too much has been made about Jackson's inability to run the franchise and crashing it into the ground. The way I see it, summer 2017, Knicks have a maximum slot available for a star PG or a star running mate to pair with Porzingis and Melo. The Rose deal has not hurt us at all even if Rose does not play like an all-star as a Knick. He's an expiring contracr and we got Holiday out of the deal as well.

The one move that Phil may ultimately regret big time is the Noah contract. Noah's not been able to make an impact for us defensively or on offense. O'Quinn stepped in for him and the offense looked better with a scoring threat like him. O'Quinn was also very active on defense. O'Quinn makes less than $5 million a year vs Noah's $18 million. I like Noah's competitive spirt but we need to find a better role for him. I know it's only been 13 games but I don't see him a starter next to KP and Melo next 2 years. O'Quinn is younger, plays with more energy. I think Noah should come off the bench.

Starters
O'Quinn
Porzingis
Melo
Lee
Rose

Bench
Hernangomez/Noah
Porzingis/Melo
Thomas/Kuzminskas
Holiday
Jennings

Closing lineup
Porzingis
Melo
Holiday/Lee
Rose
Jennings

Cartman718 wrote:lets not go overboard. Although Noah has not lived up to double double expectations, he could still get there. all i know is that we better not have a flu-son chandler'ish winter for him, else i'll be pissed at that 17 mill. i doubt it considering he played in chicago.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Noah probably wasn't a smart move for the money considering Porzingis should play center and O'Quinn and Willy have both been solid when given time. But Noah is still this team's emotional leader and his value will show at different times during the season and during his tenure with the Knicks. He has a role here, regardless of whether he is starting or not. I agree that Phil has been solid with the smaller value signings. And had he not made the mistake he admitted to when turning down Jae Crowder as part of the Dallas deal for Calderon, it would add even more to this argument. He was hired to build a culture that would attract big names. He hasn't done that. We didn't expect his best work as a President would be the draft and diamond in the rough pickups.

I'm trying to assess that in context: available salary cap, record, etc. 2 Years ago Knicks came off of a 17 game win season and got AA, DWill, Rolo, KOQ, Serephin? Last year at 32 wins and CLee, Noah, Jennings, Cuz?

Do big name free agents go to teams under .500?

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Noah probably wasn't a smart move for the money considering Porzingis should play center and O'Quinn and Willy have both been solid when given time. But Noah is still this team's emotional leader and his value will show at different times during the season and during his tenure with the Knicks. He has a role here, regardless of whether he is starting or not. I agree that Phil has been solid with the smaller value signings. And had he not made the mistake he admitted to when turning down Jae Crowder as part of the Dallas deal for Calderon, it would add even more to this argument. He was hired to build a culture that would attract big names. He hasn't done that. We didn't expect his best work as a President would be the draft and diamond in the rough pickups.

I'm trying to assess that in context: available salary cap, record, etc. 2 Years ago Knicks came off of a 17 game win season and got AA, DWill, Rolo, KOQ, Serephin? Last year at 32 wins and CLee, Noah, Jennings, Cuz?

Do big name free agents go to teams under .500?

Not typically. But when Phil arrived, he was supposed to be the exception to the rule. Not saying it was fair. It was his name and money he was paid. But if you take all that out of it, few can argue that he hasn't done a solid job here. He has only added draft pick and has done well in the draft.

We all know Noah isn't the future, but Phil was buying his INTANGIBLES as much as his actual playing ability. At some point winning teams need guys like Noah or David West or aging KG's in order to show the young players how it's done. I think Phil rightly put a high price on that part of the formula for winning. You think Noah would be a good influence for the Sixers?

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:From what I see--this team is better without Noah. You dont have to guard Noah past a few feet--the other guys not so much.

Were they better 2 games ago beating Detroit when Noah had 15 boards, 3 assists and 3 blocks in 25 minutes? Were they better then?

Not to mention the Chicago game.

It should be matchup dependent, but he will be valuable some games.

Ask the Warriors how much they miss Bogut this year (and in games 5, 6 and 7 of the Finals) - even though he played only 20 minutes for the Warriors, he was still very valuable to have some games. I think Noah will be the same.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Noah probably wasn't a smart move for the money considering Porzingis should play center and O'Quinn and Willy have both been solid when given time. But Noah is still this team's emotional leader and his value will show at different times during the season and during his tenure with the Knicks. He has a role here, regardless of whether he is starting or not. I agree that Phil has been solid with the smaller value signings. And had he not made the mistake he admitted to when turning down Jae Crowder as part of the Dallas deal for Calderon, it would add even more to this argument. He was hired to build a culture that would attract big names. He hasn't done that. We didn't expect his best work as a President would be the draft and diamond in the rough pickups.

I'm trying to assess that in context: available salary cap, record, etc. 2 Years ago Knicks came off of a 17 game win season and got AA, DWill, Rolo, KOQ, Serephin? Last year at 32 wins and CLee, Noah, Jennings, Cuz?

Do big name free agents go to teams under .500?

Not typically. But when Phil arrived, he was supposed to be the exception to the rule. Not saying it was fair. It was his name and money he was paid. But if you take all that out of it, few can argue that he hasn't done a solid job here. He has only added draft pick and has done well in the draft.

Not sure why we are grading on a different scale for Phil, for me that's just the media spitting out crap and having it stick.

Agreed. Which is why i think he has done a nice job. Some hiccups, but good overall.