holfresh wrote:The Knicks run the triangle in practice, so that's the defense the players practice against..The other teams in the NBA are mostly running a pick and roll offense...We aren't prepared for that...The Knicks give up 114 points per 100 possessions...League worst..

uhhh the pick and roll is the game's most basic play, genius. these guys have been playing against it their entire basketball lives, just not collectively as knickerbockers. as noah has stated, it's an issue of learning how to communicate on defense, learning each other's defensive tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. calling switches, not calling switches. and of course effort and will and conditioning. if you have ever played on an actual, coached team then you would already know this.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The Knicks run the triangle in practice, so that's the defense the players practice against..The other teams in the NBA are mostly running a pick and roll offense...We aren't prepared for that...The Knicks give up 114 points per 100 possessions...League worst..

uhhh the pick and roll is the game's most basic play, genius. these guys have been playing against it their entire basketball lives, just not collectively as knickerbockers. as noah has stated, it's an issue of learning how to communicate on defense, learning each other's defensive tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. calling switches, not calling switches. and of course effort and will and conditioning. if you have ever played on an actual, coached team then you would already know this.

The stats really don't support your argument..So while the rest of the league practices pick and roll defense at the NBA level, we don't need to, because we learned it in high school or one year of college??..Genius, why didn't I think of that??..And if a team breaks out in a triangle offense, we will be miles ahead of the game...

they rank dead last in defensive efficiency, and also rank dead last in defensive rebounds. that means two things: the point guards are not good at fighting over picks at the point of attack, ie rose and jennings. you do realize how godawful rose is as a defender don't you? the second thing is that opponents are getting a ton of offensive rebounds, leading to extra possessions and extra shots.

all this would be mitigated by a sounder, more cohesive offense. alas, the dad melo of last season is MIA. maybe his ego is getting in the way of ceding his primacy to kp6, now recognized by most as the team's most important/most valuable player (surely not you), and now also probably it's best. thankfully, rose seems to be improving on offense a bit.

lastly, stats don't reflect communication and effort, which was the premise of my point of view.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The Knicks run the triangle in practice, so that's the defense the players practice against..The other teams in the NBA are mostly running a pick and roll offense...We aren't prepared for that...The Knicks give up 114 points per 100 possessions...League worst..

uhhh the pick and roll is the game's most basic play, genius. these guys have been playing against it their entire basketball lives, just not collectively as knickerbockers. as noah has stated, it's an issue of learning how to communicate on defense, learning each other's defensive tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. calling switches, not calling switches. and of course effort and will and conditioning. if you have ever played on an actual, coached team then you would already know this.

The stats really don't support your argument..So while the rest of the league practices pick and roll defense at the NBA level, we don't need to, because we learned it in high school or one year of college??..Genius, why didn't I think of that??..And if a team breaks out in a triangle offense, we will be miles ahead of the game...

they rank dead last in defensive efficiency, and also rank dead last in defensive rebounds. that means two things: the point guards are not good at fighting over picks at the point of attack, ie rose and jennings. you do realize how godawful rose is as a defender don't you? the second thing is that opponents are getting a ton of offensive rebounds, leading to extra possessions and extra shots.

all this would be mitigated by a sounder, more cohesive offense. alas, the dad melo of last season is MIA. maybe his ego is getting in the way of ceding his primacy to kp6, now recognized by most as the team's most important/most valuable player (surely not you), and now also probably it's best. thankfully, rose seems to be improving on offense a bit.

lastly, stats don't reflect communication and effort, which was the premise of my point of view.

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The Knicks run the triangle in practice, so that's the defense the players practice against..The other teams in the NBA are mostly running a pick and roll offense...We aren't prepared for that...The Knicks give up 114 points per 100 possessions...League worst..

uhhh the pick and roll is the game's most basic play, genius. these guys have been playing against it their entire basketball lives, just not collectively as knickerbockers. as noah has stated, it's an issue of learning how to communicate on defense, learning each other's defensive tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. calling switches, not calling switches. and of course effort and will and conditioning. if you have ever played on an actual, coached team then you would already know this.

The stats really don't support your argument..So while the rest of the league practices pick and roll defense at the NBA level, we don't need to, because we learned it in high school or one year of college??..Genius, why didn't I think of that??..And if a team breaks out in a triangle offense, we will be miles ahead of the game...

they rank dead last in defensive efficiency, and also rank dead last in defensive rebounds. that means two things: the point guards are not good at fighting over picks at the point of attack, ie rose and jennings. you do realize how godawful rose is as a defender don't you? the second thing is that opponents are getting a ton of offensive rebounds, leading to extra possessions and extra shots.

all this would be mitigated by a sounder, more cohesive offense. alas, the dad melo of last season is MIA. maybe his ego is getting in the way of ceding his primacy to kp6, now recognized by most as the team's most important/most valuable player (surely not you), and now also probably it's best. thankfully, rose seems to be improving on offense a bit.

lastly, stats don't reflect communication and effort, which was the premise of my point of view.

Your quick to blame rose and jennings for our poor pick n roll defense, yet say nothing of Kp and noah for our lack of defensive rebouding.

they both need to get better at defensive rebounding, no doubt.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The Knicks run the triangle in practice, so that's the defense the players practice against..The other teams in the NBA are mostly running a pick and roll offense...We aren't prepared for that...The Knicks give up 114 points per 100 possessions...League worst..

uhhh the pick and roll is the game's most basic play, genius. these guys have been playing against it their entire basketball lives, just not collectively as knickerbockers. as noah has stated, it's an issue of learning how to communicate on defense, learning each other's defensive tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. calling switches, not calling switches. and of course effort and will and conditioning. if you have ever played on an actual, coached team then you would already know this.

The stats really don't support your argument..So while the rest of the league practices pick and roll defense at the NBA level, we don't need to, because we learned it in high school or one year of college??..Genius, why didn't I think of that??..And if a team breaks out in a triangle offense, we will be miles ahead of the game...

they rank dead last in defensive efficiency, and also rank dead last in defensive rebounds. that means two things: the point guards are not good at fighting over picks at the point of attack, ie rose and jennings. you do realize how godawful rose is as a defender don't you? the second thing is that opponents are getting a ton of offensive rebounds, leading to extra possessions and extra shots.

all this would be mitigated by a sounder, more cohesive offense. alas, the dad melo of last season is MIA. maybe his ego is getting in the way of ceding his primacy to kp6, now recognized by most as the team's most important/most valuable player (surely not you), and now also probably it's best. thankfully, rose seems to be improving on offense a bit.

lastly, stats don't reflect communication and effort, which was the premise of my point of view.

Ha...Well I don't really subscribe to all your claims and conclusions about Rose with no stats or evidence to give your claims any merit...You pull arbitrary numbers out of the blue and assign them to a winning cause with zero evidence to support your claims..Silly exercise it seems but people respond...Yet you couldn't figure out how Woodson navigated a 54 win team..Seems like ages ago, doesn't it...

As far as KP is concerned, he has a ways to go...He has to sure up his defense..It could be a game changer for him..Bigs who shoot the three are really exploiting him this year..I think it may be the additional weight that may be slowing him down..I hope not..But KP excels with the first team and better players around him...He needs other players to draw the attention so he can get wide open looks and mismatches down low...He does nothing with the second team when he should really be starring..That's what main guys do..The star shines in any medium..But honestly he seems to be shaping up to be the off guy, the secondary player and there is no shame in that...When you are team main guy, you can score on you man at will and thus draw double teams...Thus they build a team around you...Look at Embiid in Philly..But he still have plenty of time to work on his low post game and change the trajectory...

But Rose will help him too..Look at the game against Utah, the bigs stay home in the lane to stop Rose's penetration which gave KP wide open looks in the first half...I see poeple saying that's the way we should play but you can't really game plan for the other team not running out to the three or defending that...As long as Melo keeps scoring and Rose keep penetrating, KP will get wide open looks from stationary bigs who likes to stay in the lane...Offensively, this should be a big statistical year for him given those things continuing...So Rose will make him a better player..

I gotta say it was kind of weak, but not surprising to see you and others almost cheering that fact that Rose could be taken down in the rape case..All because you guys think he might take a few shots away from KP..Crazy..

Or that the MIADadMelo is taking 2 shots too many in some games!
We've mutated from barely there, pre-season Melohate, to RabidRoseRapistHate to GiveMeKingKP6PrimacyNow![MeloHate].

Just like every season, a few wins strung together in a row, and Mr. CEO BBIQ will drift off to other things...

And since I get to read 'primacy ceding' in almost every thread now, I'm going to repeat, when has Melo seen this much one on one coverage in his regular season life?