Clean wrote:One of the things I love about Plumlee is he does everything at 100%. When Jenning got that and 1 and was on the floor Plumlee did a full on sprint to go pick him up.

After watching Hornacek on the post game, two things: (1) Plumlee's already a LOCK to make the club (can't say I disagree. Coach saying stuff like "he'll be right up there with BJ for crowd favorite" and "he can help us, even if he only got 8 mins one night." Those are "keeper" comments) and (2) he respects Jennings but you can tell he doesn't really care for all the immaturity we might see from him from time to time. Jeff just wasn't that type of player..You could tell during the game when Brandon was taken out either shortly after the Ware dust up or after making the 3 with the foul, Jeff kinda gave him an "ok, relax with that ****" look as he walked past him. Interested to see how Jeff handles that if it continues.

Finestrg wrote:

Clean wrote:One of the things I love about Plumlee is he does everything at 100%. When Jenning got that and 1 and was on the floor Plumlee did a full on sprint to go pick him up.

After watching Hornacek on the post game, two things: (1) Plumlee's already a LOCK to make the club (can't say I disagree. Coach saying stuff like "he'll be right up there with BJ for crowd favorite" and "he can help us, even if he only got 8 mins one night." Those are "keeper" comments) and (2) he respects Jennings but you can tell he doesn't really care for all the immaturity we might see from him from time to time. Jeff just wasn't that type of player..You could tell during the game when Brandon was taken out either shortly after the Ware dust up or after making the 3 with the foul, Jeff kinda gave him an "ok, relax with that ****" look as he walked past him. Interested to see how Jeff handles that if it continues.

Alan Hahn also said something in postgame about how for all the histrionics from BJ that dude Ware is a 5'9" rookie.

It wasn't a great look in my opinion. I love the passion but BJ needs to pick his spots a little better.

Porzingis has been relatively low key but is leading the team in points at 16.3 in just 24 minutes a game. If he gets around 30 a night in minutes, he should be able to give this team close to 18-19 points a night. Shooting 55% so far. Not bad at all. Wanted to see him improve in 3 key areas over the summer - his fitness to handle the long season, his shooting percentage and his defensive movement/recognition. I've seen a difference in the first two aspects.

nyknickzingis wrote:One thing we are seeing is that even without the two major additions from Off-season in Noah and Rose the Knicks look like a competitive .500 level team. Still not certain what that makes them when we have a full strength team and a month or two of practice and playing together.

Porzingis has been relatively low key but is leading the team in points at 16.3 in just 24 minutes a game. If he gets around 30 a night in minutes, he should be able to give this team close to 18-19 points a night. Shooting 55% so far. Not bad at all. Wanted to see him improve in 3 key areas over the summer - his fitness to handle the long season, his shooting percentage and his defensive movement/recognition. I've seen a difference in the first two aspects.

I want to see more rebounding at least 8-9 rebounds a game, offensive rebounds may be harder for him because he spends time outside the 3pt line, but he needs to grab defensive boards. He is supposed to have worked on his core and lower body, it should help him box out a bit more.

Finestrg wrote:Gotta give them credit on Plumlee. They saw a lot of potential no one else did and that potential's already yielding dividends. I wonder if he can ever really develop his shooting like he showed in this draft workout video. I mean imagine? WOW!

Don't say no one else did. I was high on what he could be in the future from when I saw his workout tapes and in the summer league game threads. I never thought he would be a starter but I saw him developing into a really good big off the bench. The reason he is ahead of schedule is because he gives 100% all of the time. His mid range shot that he showed in summer league and workouts have not made an appearance yet but it will come with more experience.

Edit: I found one of my posts from the summer league game thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=54828

Clean wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Plummlee looks like he wasted his time playing on Duke. He has alot of physical tools but not a polished player. He dies look like he can be but he has to put in the work. He needs counter moves

I agree, I think he can be a Cole Aldrich type role player with a decent mid range shot. It will take time like it did with Cole but he will help a team in the future.

NYKBocker wrote:

Clean wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Gotta give them credit on Plumlee. They saw a lot of potential no one else did and that potential's already yielding dividends. I wonder if he can ever really develop his shooting like he showed in this draft workout video. I mean imagine? WOW!

Don't say no one else did. I was high on what he could be in the future from when I saw his workout tapes and in the summer league game threads. I never thought he would be a starter but I saw him developing into a really good big off the bench. The reason he is ahead of schedule is because he gives 100% all of the time. His mid range shot that he showed in summer league and workouts have not made an appearance yet but it will come with more experience.

Edit: I found one of my posts from the summer league game thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=54828

Clean wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Plummlee looks like he wasted his time playing on Duke. He has alot of physical tools but not a polished player. He dies look like he can be but he has to put in the work. He needs counter moves

I agree, I think he can be a Cole Aldrich type role player with a decent mid range shot. It will take time like it did with Cole but he will help a team in the future.

He reminds me of Chris Dudley.

That's just a mean thing to say without a sarcastic smiley. Or is it just that all us white guys look the same?

WaltLongmire wrote:

Sambakick wrote:Baker had a couple highlights but generally had trouble finishing at the rim. Also he made the rookie mistake of not running the shot clock down at the end of the game and instead trying to score on a fast break reverse layup. I think he is viewed as D-league material that needs a while to mature.

Baker Tokoto and Amundson would be my cuts.

I've been talking up Baker since SL...so perhaps I'm biased. The shot clock play was pure pre-season rookie, but if you watch him without the ball, he does not play like a rookie. Knows how to set up and be available for a good shot, and also cuts well without the ball. I would probably let Randle and Baker get games in the DL.

Not sure what they see them each do in practice, but from what I've seen so far, I would keep him over Holiday, who does not look like a 27 year old veteran on the offensive end.

I had my doubts in SL because Baker's specialty was 3 point shooting in college, and he wasn't doing much of it. I agree that in spite of his rookie mistakes, Baker sees the floor well, and is a good decision maker. Has to look for his shot a little more. Not a flashy player, but he looks like he can help the team with more seasoning, here or in the D-league.