yellowboy90 wrote:I'll wait until the 3rd game to make any serious judgement

Papabear Says

Me to. I do not post a lot now but I do like to read what others are saying.

Willy looks great. He looks like a nice young big NBA player with a skill set that is going to earn him rotation minutes right away. Hard to see him NOT beating out KOQ in the rotation.

Other than that preseason slop. Stay healthy and figure things out.

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I'll wait until the 3rd game to make any serious judgement

I wait until a month into the regular season before making a judgement, but we live in an age of instant gratification which is why some people were deciding after 8mins of the first preseason game!

ah we have talent--well win games but I saw major flaws out there. Its so easy to say 1st game were not organized new players---so why did Houston look so good--same issues??? We had serious issues getting back--no different than last year. We couldve lost that game by 50 easily. We had no idea how to defend the 3 point line and our interior defense was dreadful. Were going to have to get big minutes from Noah but I dont see him being able to produce. After that wheres the D--not KOQ not Willy and kp seems to get placed on guys who can go around him. The guards could not stop dribble penetration Carmelo is simply aging(just normal part of life?) So much 1-1 play terrible team play. Not only is there personnel flaw but there is chemistry and team issues that wont be fixed soon. We need to find a big with some length who can help on unit 2(ah we couldve had Christian Wood atleast in the top 15 for 1mm). Also I GUARANTEE that we look back and say we shouldve purchased Seth Curry for 6th man rather than Jennings--watch that 1. Length athleticism inside and a floor spreading PG outside for 6th man. Wood couldve given us what Capella gives the Rockets off the bench. We do0nt have it.

BRIGGS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I'll wait until the 3rd game to make any serious judgement

I wait until a month into the regular season before making a judgement, but we live in an age of instant gratification which is why some people were deciding after 8mins of the first preseason game!

ah we have talent--well win games but I saw major flaws out there. Its so easy to say 1st game were not organized new players---so why did Houston look so good--same issues??? We had serious issues getting back--no different than last year. We couldve lost that game by 50 easily. We had no idea how to defend the 3 point line and our interior defense was dreadful. Were going to have to get big minutes from Noah but I dont see him being able to produce. After that wheres the D--not KOQ not Willy and kp seems to get placed on guys who can go around him. The guards could not stop dribble penetration Carmelo is simply aging(just normal part of life?) So much 1-1 play terrible team play. Not only is there personnel flaw but there is chemistry and team issues that wont be fixed soon. We need to find a big with some length who can help on unit 2(ah we couldve had Christian Wood atleast in the top 15 for 1mm). Also I GUARANTEE that we look back and say we shouldve purchased Seth Curry for 6th man rather than Jennings--watch that 1. Length athleticism inside and a floor spreading PG outside for 6th man. Wood couldve given us what Capella gives the Rockets off the bench. We do0nt have it.

Man BRIGGS. Ship be sinking already?

I try to be fair---KP had some good moments on offense--our guards got inside--but after that--especially on D--you can see we just dont have the personnel Do we have anyone other than Noah who can help deter a shot? The big problem is when you have BOTH a lack of perimeter D and interior D. It ws lay up dunk 3 lay up dunk alley oop 3. They were doing simple plays to get wide open 3's and we had no clue how to stop it. Thats how the NBA plays now

Luckily we play maybe the worst team in the NBA Saturday.

Yes at the end of the day it doesnt count we will certainly play better than that--but where is the interior D going to come from? Also Rose looks flat footed on D and hes the head of the defense.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Lebron and Melo are the same age basically. I don't think we anything serious to worry about Melo. He'll always be able to shoot. How about that KP tho??? If he can be aggressive and work off Rose n Jennings etc... that's gonna be fun to watch.

People age diffently. Lebron is a once in a generation athlete. And he's not dealing with knee scopes and shoulder surgeries the way Melo is. Also, isn't Lebron a year younger since he came directly out of high school and Melo played a year in the NCAAs?

They're basically the same age. Melo isn't reliant on being athletic so really what's to lose??? He'll be able to hit jumpers into his 50's. He's just one of those guys that I believe can hang around forever if he wants to. He's not going to be a high energy guy at this point IMO. He's headed towards Paul Pierce/David West/Joe Johnson territory.

Melo's FG% has been trending downwards for three straight years. He got blocked a lot more often last year than he ever had and got fewer free throws, too. Pierce's FG% trended upwards at Melo's age. I think it's somewhat of a fallacy to compare the two.

Also, it makes no sense to compare him to Lebron - they have almost nothing in common stylistically and are different ages and play wildly different games.

I'm rooting for Melo to have a good year, but statistically and by the eye test, Melo has been in decline for the past 2-3 years. He relies a lot more on his quickness and bully ball down low than you see to give him credit for. His free throw attempts have been trending downward for four years since the 54 win season in 2012-3.

he played 25 games last season that were just fantastic, and frankly pierce-like in terms of playmaking. the trouble last night other than rust is that the two point guards were all over the place. i get it. it's the first preseason game. they need to settle down and settle in. i think melo and oquinn and thomas and well i guess everyone else will get better when the point guard play gets more focussed.

NYKBocker wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I'll wait until the 3rd game to make any serious judgement

I wait until a month into the regular season before making a judgement, but we live in an age of instant gratification which is why some people were deciding after 8mins of the first preseason game!

ah we have talent--well win games but I saw major flaws out there. Its so easy to say 1st game were not organized new players---so why did Houston look so good--same issues??? We had serious issues getting back--no different than last year. We couldve lost that game by 50 easily. We had no idea how to defend the 3 point line and our interior defense was dreadful. Were going to have to get big minutes from Noah but I dont see him being able to produce. After that wheres the D--not KOQ not Willy and kp seems to get placed on guys who can go around him. The guards could not stop dribble penetration Carmelo is simply aging(just normal part of life?) So much 1-1 play terrible team play. Not only is there personnel flaw but there is chemistry and team issues that wont be fixed soon. We need to find a big with some length who can help on unit 2(ah we couldve had Christian Wood atleast in the top 15 for 1mm). Also I GUARANTEE that we look back and say we shouldve purchased Seth Curry for 6th man rather than Jennings--watch that 1. Length athleticism inside and a floor spreading PG outside for 6th man. Wood couldve given us what Capella gives the Rockets off the bench. We do0nt have it.

Man BRIGGS. Ship be sinking already?

He wants Christian Wood so bad.... bowchikawahwah

EnySpree wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I'll wait until the 3rd game to make any serious judgement

I wait until a month into the regular season before making a judgement, but we live in an age of instant gratification which is why some people were deciding after 8mins of the first preseason game!

ah we have talent--well win games but I saw major flaws out there. Its so easy to say 1st game were not organized new players---so why did Houston look so good--same issues??? We had serious issues getting back--no different than last year. We couldve lost that game by 50 easily. We had no idea how to defend the 3 point line and our interior defense was dreadful. Were going to have to get big minutes from Noah but I dont see him being able to produce. After that wheres the D--not KOQ not Willy and kp seems to get placed on guys who can go around him. The guards could not stop dribble penetration Carmelo is simply aging(just normal part of life?) So much 1-1 play terrible team play. Not only is there personnel flaw but there is chemistry and team issues that wont be fixed soon. We need to find a big with some length who can help on unit 2(ah we couldve had Christian Wood atleast in the top 15 for 1mm). Also I GUARANTEE that we look back and say we shouldve purchased Seth Curry for 6th man rather than Jennings--watch that 1. Length athleticism inside and a floor spreading PG outside for 6th man. Wood couldve given us what Capella gives the Rockets off the bench. We do0nt have it.

Man BRIGGS. Ship be sinking already?

He wants Christian Wood so bad.... bowchikawahwah

I look back and just believed we needed a PG who can play the style of play the NBA plays now in Seth Curry--no need to start- Rose is fine as a starter--hell be fine-but he wouldve brought WAY more than B Jennings who will be inefficient in his role and the role is VITALLY important.. How desperately could we use a 6-11 lengthy PF/C on unit 2 to help out--we need that--we couldve used that even for 10-12 minutes and it ws there for almost nothing. We spent 5mm $ on that foreign player when we already have Lance Thomas? We couldve spent much less on the lengthy inside player????who can alos play in/out??? He could play with KP or Willy or KOQ that gives us length in there

next game, after extensive film sessions, i expect to see more coherence. last night was hard to watch.