ideally, I would've centered this team around KP (pun intended) and phase melo out. what ever we win we win...but one objective would've been to get a franchise PG in next yrs draft.

but its not up to me and phil wants to WIN NOW for melo (shrugs shoulders)

at least the garden should be more exciting this yr.

callmened wrote:when you pay noah 18 mill that ate up space to buy some depth.
I would've preferred to have KP start at the 5 and use that noah money for depth
I would've resigned gallo for cheap
of course this is all easy to say (I would've I would've) but the bottom line is (good) free agents have to WANT to play here. seems like were left with the washed up ones past their prime.

ideally, I would've centered this team around KP (pun intended) and phase melo out. what ever we win we win...but one objective would've been to get a franchise PG in next yrs draft.

but its not up to me and phil wants to WIN NOW for melo (shrugs shoulders)

at least the garden should be more exciting this yr.

I have my reservations on Noah getting a 4 year contract, but one aspect people don't seem to consider is that Noah led to the Lee signing. Listen to Lee in the introductory press conference. I don't think he signs without Noah's recruitment.

I'm optimistic for this year, but it's not an all-or-bust season. We have all of our picks moving forward and a franchise talent entering year 2. If things go south, I think we're still in good shape.

MaTT4281 wrote:

callmened wrote:when you pay noah 18 mill that ate up space to buy some depth.
I would've preferred to have KP start at the 5 and use that noah money for depth
I would've resigned gallo for cheap
of course this is all easy to say (I would've I would've) but the bottom line is (good) free agents have to WANT to play here. seems like were left with the washed up ones past their prime.

ideally, I would've centered this team around KP (pun intended) and phase melo out. what ever we win we win...but one objective would've been to get a franchise PG in next yrs draft.

but its not up to me and phil wants to WIN NOW for melo (shrugs shoulders)

at least the garden should be more exciting this yr.

I have my reservations on Noah getting a 4 year contract, but one aspect people don't seem to consider is that Noah led to the Lee signing. Listen to Lee in the introductory press conference. I don't think he signs without Noah's recruitment.

I'm optimistic for this year, but it's not an all-or-bust season. We have all of our picks moving forward and a franchise talent entering year 2. If things go south, I think we're still in good shape.

Phil's moves have no all been perfect, he's made and admitted mistakes but we are in a good place moving forward. Overall I am very happy with the job Phil has done here

callmened wrote:

fishmike wrote:so they predict about last year's win totals... so they concede Lee is a good signing and helps. So that means what? That losing Lopez negates that? That Rose has no great impact than Jose? Noah negates KP's impact? Did they watch KP at center last year... at all? Essentially they are saying that Rose/Noah/Lee/Jennings doesn't improve the Knicks from last year's Jose/Lopez/AA/Galloway? Kind of hard to get my head around that one but OK. Good work

theyre factoring in injuries or missed time to rose and noah

That injury rationale bothers me tho. First of all you just can't know what will happen in that dept. No team can predict good health. I prefer to lower that factor in making an assessment. The Knicks medical staff has looked at Rose and Noah and if there was something that suggested they were in a really bad condition, they would've see it. Instead the reports i've read suggest they were in relatively good condition. At their ages and injury history there will always be some issues that crop up. None of these guys is going to play a full 82. Still that doesn't mean that we're gonna lose games because these guys are seriously hurt and miss a ton of games.

If anything I think having so much talent in the top of the rotation will make the game easier for everyone. No one should have to force things. Shots should come easier.

I thought the Podcast was a bit too snarky. There were good points but also they seemed to undersell much of the roster improvement which IMO makes no sense. As Fishmike said, how reasonable is it to think that there will be practically no positive impact of adding Rose, Noah, Lee and Jennings into this rotation? This top 7 rotation is SOLID AS HELL. Yet when talking about the Knicks they tend to assess each player in a vacuum. That's not how Basketball works. This is a team sport and it does matter who a player is on the floor with and how the group works together. This roster looks like it makes all kinds of sense together. Most importantly is how they all come together under Hornacek's schemes.

callmened wrote:

fishmike wrote:so they predict about last year's win totals... so they concede Lee is a good signing and helps. So that means what? That losing Lopez negates that? That Rose has no great impact than Jose? Noah negates KP's impact? Did they watch KP at center last year... at all? Essentially they are saying that Rose/Noah/Lee/Jennings doesn't improve the Knicks from last year's Jose/Lopez/AA/Galloway? Kind of hard to get my head around that one but OK. Good work

theyre factoring in injuries or missed time to rose and noah

In any case was Eny said... same smelling poop being flung against the same walls. Time for preseason

fishmike wrote:

callmened wrote:

fishmike wrote:so they predict about last year's win totals... so they concede Lee is a good signing and helps. So that means what? That losing Lopez negates that? That Rose has no great impact than Jose? Noah negates KP's impact? Did they watch KP at center last year... at all? Essentially they are saying that Rose/Noah/Lee/Jennings doesn't improve the Knicks from last year's Jose/Lopez/AA/Galloway? Kind of hard to get my head around that one but OK. Good work

theyre factoring in injuries or missed time to rose and noah

AA/Melo/KP/Jose/Lance... all missed games last year. Its not like we were injury free and added a bunch of damaged goods.

In any case was Eny said... same smelling poop being flung against the same walls. Time for preseason

apologies for the redundancies

Then watch how many of these hacks claim they knew the Knicks would be much improved.

fishmike wrote:so they predict about last year's win totals... so they concede Lee is a good signing and helps. So that means what? That losing Lopez negates that? That Rose has no great impact than Jose? Noah negates KP's impact? Did they watch KP at center last year... at all? Essentially they are saying that Rose/Noah/Lee/Jennings doesn't improve the Knicks from last year's Jose/Lopez/AA/Galloway? Kind of hard to get my head around that one but OK. Good work

yeah im with on this Fish, Thess guy's have said anything thats wasn't discuss on these boards in great depth. When westbrook, KD, Steph curry, had back to back inujury riddle season, why no one wrote them off as injury plagued.

Westbrook has just as much chance of being injured this season as rose, kyrie, walker, bledsoe, or any pg for the matter.

There was no other way to up grade the roster without sacrificing.

Galloway and DWILL have never played on a winning team in the NBA, and although they both have talent, they play losing basketball, neither one is clutch or consistent, so WTF..