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9/18/2016  6:10 PM
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.
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9/18/2016  6:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/18/2016  6:43 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

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9/18/2016  7:00 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

Either way Rose messed up.
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9/18/2016  7:08 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  7:15 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

Either way Rose messed up.

Oh he was an idiot!!! There are plenty of women out there that are down with his lifestyle. No need to force it upon someone who wasn't really into it. On top of that he could've smoothed things with her by just apologizing and being decent. He was a jerk and now it's coming back on him. Still doesn't mean she was raped. The Police decided her case was weak and I think his lawyers may point this out to the jury. So she's not guaranteed to win this either. If I was his lawyer I would advise to settle cuz it's not worth it. He messed up and should've just paid up. Lesson learned. This could cost him more than if he settled.

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9/18/2016  7:21 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

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9/18/2016  7:37 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

being a empty headed homer is one thing but this is blatantly disgusting. Have you no shame? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

how the fuk do you know what happened or what she deserved or what she knew? Because she was allegedly loose with him, does that mean she had to be forced to sleep with his friends? You know for a fact that she was not raped or gang raped or date raped? Or, even if she was, she had it coming?

Perhaps she wanted to be raped? She knew this was a possibility too, right?

Nobody knows what actually happened so don't say stupid things when you don't have a clue! I assume that you don't have daughters, correct?

This is like you relentlessly talking about Matt Barnes destroying him as if that would make fisher look better. They both were idiots but to you its all black and white.

Rose, from reading all the horrible things in regards this case is a disgusting human being and if she is too, that will not make Rose less disgusting. And, you have no idea if she was raped or not so it may be time to shut it!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  7:47 PM
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dk7th wrote:
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dk7th wrote:i read as much of the texts and whatnot as i could stomach. liable or not-- the whole thing is sordid, sickening, and shameful and i cannot believe rose is bringing this shyte to the knicks. he is a pariah even before playing a single minute for the knicks and has to settle.
I bet that kinda **** is already on the Knicks, we just may not know about it. Did we already forget about Derrick Williams, Cleanthony Early and the case against O'Quinn? Let's not pretend Rose is joining a choir boy squad. This IS the NBA you know. The Knicks are probably no better or worse than any other team in terms of morality.

o'quinn accused of assault and pending, so yes that is apples to apples, although o'quinn's situation lacks the star power, noteriety, and sordidness of rose's situation.

cleanthony was shot at a nightclub he should not have been in, williams gets his jewelry stolen. both were stupid but the key is they were victims. not apples to apples.

In a general sense, it is apples to apples to terms of players living lifestyles that bring controversy to the team whether they're victims or not.

to an extent, but then there's the question of public sympathy. o'quinn does not win any sympathies, the other two kind of do. rose certainly does not.

I agree about Rose and O'Quinn, but you really think there's public sympathy for Williams who after a road game in the middle of back to back games goes partying, picking up a couple of chicks to take back to his home and gets robbed? Or Early getting shot hanging out at strip clubs at 4 a.m.?

And I'm not expressing any personal feelings on this. I was just responding to the statement insinuating that Rose is bringing a certain "element" to the team and making it seem like it doesn't already exist.

so once we have one alleged sexual offender we should be fair and accept all alleged predators?

So at what point did anybody say anything remotely similar to that?
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9/18/2016  7:52 PM
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Welpee wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Welpee wrote:
dk7th wrote:i read as much of the texts and whatnot as i could stomach. liable or not-- the whole thing is sordid, sickening, and shameful and i cannot believe rose is bringing this shyte to the knicks. he is a pariah even before playing a single minute for the knicks and has to settle.
I bet that kinda **** is already on the Knicks, we just may not know about it. Did we already forget about Derrick Williams, Cleanthony Early and the case against O'Quinn? Let's not pretend Rose is joining a choir boy squad. This IS the NBA you know. The Knicks are probably no better or worse than any other team in terms of morality.

o'quinn accused of assault and pending, so yes that is apples to apples, although o'quinn's situation lacks the star power, noteriety, and sordidness of rose's situation.

cleanthony was shot at a nightclub he should not have been in, williams gets his jewelry stolen. both were stupid but the key is they were victims. not apples to apples.

In a general sense, it is apples to apples to terms of players living lifestyles that bring controversy to the team whether they're victims or not.

to an extent, but then there's the question of public sympathy. o'quinn does not win any sympathies, the other two kind of do. rose certainly does not.

I agree about Rose and O'Quinn, but you really think there's public sympathy for Williams who after a road game in the middle of back to back games goes partying, picking up a couple of chicks to take back to his home and gets robbed? Or Early getting shot hanging out at strip clubs at 4 a.m.?

And I'm not expressing any personal feelings on this. I was just responding to the statement insinuating that Rose is bringing a certain "element" to the team and making it seem like it doesn't already exist.

so once we have one alleged sexual offender we should be fair and accept all alleged predators?

So at what point did anybody say anything remotely similar to that?

I was responding to this quote but not really at you personally.

I was just responding to the statement insinuating that Rose is bringing a certain "element" to the team and making it seem like it doesn't already exist.

He is bringing an "element" to the team. He is bringing a high profile and grossly detailed rape case that we will here about daily.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  7:54 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

Either way Rose messed up.

Oh he was an idiot!!! There are plenty of women out there that are down with his lifestyle. No need to force it upon someone who wasn't really into it. On top of that he could've smoothed things with her by just apologizing and being decent. He was a jerk and now it's coming back on him. Still doesn't mean she was raped. The Police decided her case was weak and I think his lawyers may point this out to the jury. So she's not guaranteed to win this either. If I was his lawyer I would advise to settle cuz it's not worth it. He messed up and should've just paid up. Lesson learned. This could cost him more than if he settled.

but that isnt point. Sure he may not be guilty of a criminal charge but that behavior shows that he isnt a good guy. Thankfully he only has 1 year left on his deal
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9/18/2016  7:57 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

being a empty headed homer is one thing but this is blatantly disgusting. Have you no shame? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

how the fuk do you know what happened or what she deserved or what she knew? Because she was allegedly loose with him, does that mean she had to be forced to sleep with his friends? You know for a fact that she was not raped or gang raped or date raped? Or, even if she was, she had it coming?

Perhaps she wanted to be raped? She knew this was a possibility too, right?

Nobody knows what actually happened so don't say stupid things when you don't have a clue! I assume that you don't have daughters, correct?

This is like you relentlessly talking about Matt Barnes destroying him as if that would make fisher look better. They both were idiots but to you its all black and white.

Rose, from reading all the horrible things in regards this case is a disgusting human being and if she is too, that will not make Rose less disgusting. And, you have no idea if she was raped or not so it may be time to shut it!

Not that I'm defending Rose, but you can apply the same logic to Rose's side. If you don't know what happened how can you judge either way? Only the people in the room knows if she consented or was forced or was taken advantage of when she was unconscious.

To think a loose chick deserves whatever happens to her is wrong. But also to assume every rape accusation is legit and all woman are sweet, innocent victims just because they're women is equally wrong.

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9/18/2016  7:58 PM
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

being a empty headed homer is one thing but this is blatantly disgusting. Have you no shame? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

how the fuk do you know what happened or what she deserved or what she knew? Because she was allegedly loose with him, does that mean she had to be forced to sleep with his friends? You know for a fact that she was not raped or gang raped or date raped? Or, even if she was, she had it coming?

Perhaps she wanted to be raped? She knew this was a possibility too, right?

Nobody knows what actually happened so don't say stupid things when you don't have a clue! I assume that you don't have daughters, correct?

This is like you relentlessly talking about Matt Barnes destroying him as if that would make fisher look better. They both were idiots but to you its all black and white.

Rose, from reading all the horrible things in regards this case is a disgusting human being and if she is too, that will not make Rose less disgusting. And, you have no idea if she was raped or not so it may be time to shut it!

Not that I'm defending Rose, but you can apply the same logic to Rose's side. If you don't know what happened how can you judge either way? Only the people in the room knows if she consented or was forced or was taken advantage of when she was unconscious.

To think a loose chick deserves whatever happens to her is wrong. But also to assume every rape accusation is legit and all woman are sweet, innocent victims just because they're women is equally wrong.

I have no clue if she was raped and would never dare say that she was. And, slandering her will not make Rose look any better. Rose looks like a pig even if he did not rape her.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  8:01 PM
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

being a empty headed homer is one thing but this is blatantly disgusting. Have you no shame? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

how the fuk do you know what happened or what she deserved or what she knew? Because she was allegedly loose with him, does that mean she had to be forced to sleep with his friends? You know for a fact that she was not raped or gang raped or date raped? Or, even if she was, she had it coming?

Perhaps she wanted to be raped? She knew this was a possibility too, right?

Nobody knows what actually happened so don't say stupid things when you don't have a clue! I assume that you don't have daughters, correct?

This is like you relentlessly talking about Matt Barnes destroying him as if that would make fisher look better. They both were idiots but to you its all black and white.

Rose, from reading all the horrible things in regards this case is a disgusting human being and if she is too, that will not make Rose less disgusting. And, you have no idea if she was raped or not so it may be time to shut it!

Not that I'm defending Rose, but you can apply the same logic to Rose's side. If you don't know what happened how can you judge either way? Only the people in the room knows if she consented or was forced or was taken advantage of when she was unconscious.

To think a loose chick deserves whatever happens to her is wrong. But also to assume every rape accusation is legit and all woman are sweet, innocent victims just because they're women is equally wrong.

I have no clue if she was raped and would never dare say that she was. And, slandering her will not make Rose look any better. Rose looks like a pig even if he did not rape her.

No one needs to slander her. What has been introduced into court is available for you to see. Neither party looks good here.
http://thewhitebronco.com/2016/09/the-derrick-rose-sexual-assault-trial-primer/
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9/18/2016  8:05 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

Either way Rose messed up.

Oh he was an idiot!!! There are plenty of women out there that are down with his lifestyle. No need to force it upon someone who wasn't really into it. On top of that he could've smoothed things with her by just apologizing and being decent. He was a jerk and now it's coming back on him. Still doesn't mean she was raped. The Police decided her case was weak and I think his lawyers may point this out to the jury. So she's not guaranteed to win this either. If I was his lawyer I would advise to settle cuz it's not worth it. He messed up and should've just paid up. Lesson learned. This could cost him more than if he settled.

but that isnt point. Sure he may not be guilty of a criminal charge but that behavior shows that he isnt a good guy. Thankfully he only has 1 year left on his deal
Where do you draw the "good guy" line? Are you not a good guy if you hit the strip clubs? Cheat on your wife or girlfriend? Like having orgies? Like having sex on webcams? Date multiple women at the same time? Like taking pics of your privates with your cell phone? If being a "good guy" is defined by your bedroom behavior I bet you'd be surprised how many guys are also not "good guys," they just haven't been caught.

So if he didn't rape her but is into orgies, that makes him not a "good guy?"

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9/18/2016  8:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/18/2016  8:14 PM
Welpee wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

Either way Rose messed up.

Oh he was an idiot!!! There are plenty of women out there that are down with his lifestyle. No need to force it upon someone who wasn't really into it. On top of that he could've smoothed things with her by just apologizing and being decent. He was a jerk and now it's coming back on him. Still doesn't mean she was raped. The Police decided her case was weak and I think his lawyers may point this out to the jury. So she's not guaranteed to win this either. If I was his lawyer I would advise to settle cuz it's not worth it. He messed up and should've just paid up. Lesson learned. This could cost him more than if he settled.

but that isnt point. Sure he may not be guilty of a criminal charge but that behavior shows that he isnt a good guy. Thankfully he only has 1 year left on his deal
Where do you draw the "good guy" line? Are you not a good guy if you hit the strip clubs? Cheat on your wife or girlfriend? Like having orgies? Like having sex on webcams? Date multiple women at the same time? Like taking pics of your privates with your cell phone? If being a "good guy" is defined by your bedroom behavior I bet you'd be surprised how many guys are also not "good guys," they just haven't been caught.

So if he didn't rape her but is into orgies, that makes him not a "good guy?"

so im guessing you are his side? Never said he raped her but it Seems like he pressured her which isnt right
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9/18/2016  8:14 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

being a empty headed homer is one thing but this is blatantly disgusting. Have you no shame? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

how the fuk do you know what happened or what she deserved or what she knew? Because she was allegedly loose with him, does that mean she had to be forced to sleep with his friends? You know for a fact that she was not raped or gang raped or date raped? Or, even if she was, she had it coming?

Perhaps she wanted to be raped? She knew this was a possibility too, right?

Nobody knows what actually happened so don't say stupid things when you don't have a clue! I assume that you don't have daughters, correct?

This is like you relentlessly talking about Matt Barnes destroying him as if that would make fisher look better. They both were idiots but to you its all black and white.

Rose, from reading all the horrible things in regards this case is a disgusting human being and if she is too, that will not make Rose less disgusting. And, you have no idea if she was raped or not so it may be time to shut it!

Not that I'm defending Rose, but you can apply the same logic to Rose's side. If you don't know what happened how can you judge either way? Only the people in the room knows if she consented or was forced or was taken advantage of when she was unconscious.

To think a loose chick deserves whatever happens to her is wrong. But also to assume every rape accusation is legit and all woman are sweet, innocent victims just because they're women is equally wrong.

I have no clue if she was raped and would never dare say that she was. And, slandering her will not make Rose look any better. Rose looks like a pig even if he did not rape her.

No one needs to slander her. What has been introduced into court is available for you to see. Neither party looks good here.
http://thewhitebronco.com/2016/09/the-derrick-rose-sexual-assault-trial-primer/

right, and she does not play for the knicks so who are we left with? A very sleazy Rose.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  8:14 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

being a empty headed homer is one thing but this is blatantly disgusting. Have you no shame? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

how the fuk do you know what happened or what she deserved or what she knew? Because she was allegedly loose with him, does that mean she had to be forced to sleep with his friends? You know for a fact that she was not raped or gang raped or date raped? Or, even if she was, she had it coming?

Perhaps she wanted to be raped? She knew this was a possibility too, right?

Nobody knows what actually happened so don't say stupid things when you don't have a clue! I assume that you don't have daughters, correct?

This is like you relentlessly talking about Matt Barnes destroying him as if that would make fisher look better. They both were idiots but to you its all black and white.

Rose, from reading all the horrible things in regards this case is a disgusting human being and if she is too, that will not make Rose less disgusting. And, you have no idea if she was raped or not so it may be time to shut it!


The attempts to shame the accuser has been a tactic for years all parties do such. Now while I do think Rose sexual preference is of the perverted nature, she definitely did know about it, as she is noted as refusing to partake in such. Rose has admitted this. The only question to be answered is whether Rose and his friends are liable this one particular time...consent to have such intercourse and trespass into her apartment to do so. One little piece of info is kind damning in which there are repeated calls to her phone unanswered just before they arrived to her place, which gives the impression that at the least she was sleep and at most passed out. It also makes no sense for her roommate to casually walk past dudes in her home, one trying to smash with her and all she does is go in her bedroom, lock the door and turn on a fan when a normal person would call the police. But perhaps she knew these guys and have seen them there before. Either way, it would be best for Rose to settle. Doesn't mean he's guilty to do so, just wanting to end the situation.
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9/18/2016  8:17 PM
knickscity wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

being a empty headed homer is one thing but this is blatantly disgusting. Have you no shame? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

how the fuk do you know what happened or what she deserved or what she knew? Because she was allegedly loose with him, does that mean she had to be forced to sleep with his friends? You know for a fact that she was not raped or gang raped or date raped? Or, even if she was, she had it coming?

Perhaps she wanted to be raped? She knew this was a possibility too, right?

Nobody knows what actually happened so don't say stupid things when you don't have a clue! I assume that you don't have daughters, correct?

This is like you relentlessly talking about Matt Barnes destroying him as if that would make fisher look better. They both were idiots but to you its all black and white.

Rose, from reading all the horrible things in regards this case is a disgusting human being and if she is too, that will not make Rose less disgusting. And, you have no idea if she was raped or not so it may be time to shut it!


The attempts to shame the accuser has been a tactic for years all parties do such. Now while I do think Rose sexual preference is of the perverted nature, she definitely did know about it, as she is noted as refusing to partake in such. Rose has admitted this. The only question to be answered is whether Rose and his friends are liable this one particular time...consent to have such intercourse and trespass into her apartment to do so. One little piece of info is kind damning in which there are repeated calls to her phone unanswered just before they arrived to her place, which gives the impression that at the least she was sleep and at most passed out. It also makes no sense for her roommate to casually walk past dudes in her home, one trying to smash with her and all she does is go in her bedroom, lock the door and turn on a fan when a normal person would call the police. But perhaps she knew these guys and have seen them there before. Either way, it would be best for Rose to settle. Doesn't mean he's guilty to do so, just wanting to end the situation.
its important to remember many women who are victims of these acts are afraid to come forward at first because they are embarrassed/ashamed especially if the other people are well known
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9/18/2016  8:20 PM
knickscity wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

yeah she made a bad judgement cause she should have known that Rose was sleaze ... I guess she had it comin ... nice, I mean sick!

She DID know he was like that and yet she still dealt with him. Not in a normal everyday relationship but a purely sexual relationship! They weren't doing laundry together and hittin up flew markets on the weekends!!! They weren't taking each other to meet the family and planning for a future together! She knew exactly what he wanted and she was fine with it. There was nothing normal about it.

being a empty headed homer is one thing but this is blatantly disgusting. Have you no shame? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

how the fuk do you know what happened or what she deserved or what she knew? Because she was allegedly loose with him, does that mean she had to be forced to sleep with his friends? You know for a fact that she was not raped or gang raped or date raped? Or, even if she was, she had it coming?

Perhaps she wanted to be raped? She knew this was a possibility too, right?

Nobody knows what actually happened so don't say stupid things when you don't have a clue! I assume that you don't have daughters, correct?

This is like you relentlessly talking about Matt Barnes destroying him as if that would make fisher look better. They both were idiots but to you its all black and white.

Rose, from reading all the horrible things in regards this case is a disgusting human being and if she is too, that will not make Rose less disgusting. And, you have no idea if she was raped or not so it may be time to shut it!


The attempts to shame the accuser has been a tactic for years all parties do such. Now while I do think Rose sexual preference is of the perverted nature, she definitely did know about it, as she is noted as refusing to partake in such. Rose has admitted this. The only question to be answered is whether Rose and his friends are liable this one particular time...consent to have such intercourse and trespass into her apartment to do so. One little piece of info is kind damning in which there are repeated calls to her phone unanswered just before they arrived to her place, which gives the impression that at the least she was sleep and at most passed out. It also makes no sense for her roommate to casually walk past dudes in her home, one trying to smash with her and all she does is go in her bedroom, lock the door and turn on a fan when a normal person would call the police. But perhaps she knew these guys and have seen them there before. Either way, it would be best for Rose to settle. Doesn't mean he's guilty to do so, just wanting to end the situation.

Yeah ... lets say they are both sleazy, it does not make rape ok and we have no idea what the heck happened that night as you said but it certainly does not look pretty. Shaming her will not make him smell any better. At best, he was pressuring her to let him have sex with her together with his buddies (YAY) and at worst, he had her gang raped. Exactly what this team needed.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  8:21 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:I don't know whether there was consent or not.
I don't know what happened that night...that's up to a jury to decide

But to me rose's actions or thought process are disgusting whether there was consent or not

From what I understand, the girl begged to be his girlfriend. Rose broke up with her cuz she wouldn't let his friends have sex with her. Rose basically said if you don't let my friends have sex with you then we won't be a couple. THAT'S CRAZY!!! Now the rest is up to a jury. Sounds like they all got drunk and something went down...was it consented or not. I don't know.

I just think having a girl and wanting your friends to also sleep with her is CRAZY!!!!!!

From what I've read it doesn't seem like Rose EVER considered her anything more than a sex partner. Nothing I've read sounds like a normal committed relationship based on love and respect. She willingly dealt with him knowing what he was like. I'm not going to moralize about the behavior just because I don't agree with it. That's you're own personal choice. It seems clear she chose to deal with Rose knowing what kind of man he was and what his friends were like. They didn't hide their desires from her and her friend knew it too.

Now as for what happened that night the 2nd time they got together, she doesn't even know exactly what happened and she wasn't forced to get drunk or to text Rose to come over. She was lucid enough to text Rose after she got home and tell him she wanted him to come to her. The whole thing is a mess and it's not cut and dry the way some are trying to make it seem.

Whether you love Rose or not he made a bad judgment in this situation. It doesn't matter if he wears a knick uniform. Hell if Porzingis did a similar thing I would criticize him too and he is my favorite knick.

Every weekend there are men and women going to bars and clubs looking to have fun and possibly hook up. When they drink their inhibitions are relaxed and men are sleeping with women under those impaired conditions all the time. It's a risky lifestyle and adults engage in this knowingly. Rape is rape but under those circumstances it makes it harder to prove just what was said and done.

Women in this situation are in a tough spot. Jane Doe should've known better. She clearly knew Rose was that kind of guy cuz he had shown it the entire relationship. This could be a problem for her with the jury.

Either way Rose messed up.

Oh he was an idiot!!! There are plenty of women out there that are down with his lifestyle. No need to force it upon someone who wasn't really into it. On top of that he could've smoothed things with her by just apologizing and being decent. He was a jerk and now it's coming back on him. Still doesn't mean she was raped. The Police decided her case was weak and I think his lawyers may point this out to the jury. So she's not guaranteed to win this either. If I was his lawyer I would advise to settle cuz it's not worth it. He messed up and should've just paid up. Lesson learned. This could cost him more than if he settled.

but that isnt point. Sure he may not be guilty of a criminal charge but that behavior shows that he isnt a good guy. Thankfully he only has 1 year left on his deal
Where do you draw the "good guy" line? Are you not a good guy if you hit the strip clubs? Cheat on your wife or girlfriend? Like having orgies? Like having sex on webcams? Date multiple women at the same time? Like taking pics of your privates with your cell phone? If being a "good guy" is defined by your bedroom behavior I bet you'd be surprised how many guys are also not "good guys," they just haven't been caught.

So if he didn't rape her but is into orgies, that makes him not a "good guy?"

so im guessing you are his side? Never said he raped her but it Seems like he pressured her which isnt right
I'm not on anybody's side. I'm not siding with Rose because he's a Knick. I'm not siding with the woman just because she's a female. Like I said, nobody really knows what happened. I will admit I find her version of the story hard to believe.

The reality is the truth is probably somewhere in the middle and they're both lying to a certain extent.

To those Knicks fans dismissing Rose's rape case...

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