“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”

This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left

Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.

I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.

Joakim Noah's Offseason Knee Surgery More Serious Than Expected
NOV 30, 2014 2:29 AM

Joakim Noah posted 15 points, 14 rebounds, six assists and six blocks in the Chicago Bulls' win over the Boston Celtics on Friday.

Noah is still regaining 100 percent form physically and is confident he will reach that point this season.

"There is no question in my mind — 100 percent — that I can get to where I want to be physically this season," Noah said. "I have to be positive. I know how far I've come just in the last month."

Noah acknowledged the seriousness of the May 2014 knee surgery, which the Bulls originally termed minor and needing an eight- to 12-week rehabilitation period. Both Noah and the Bulls acknowledged on the eve of training camp that a longer recovery period prohibited Noah from playing full court all offseason.

And Noah has remained on minutes restrictions all season.

"It was more than a scope," Noah said. "That's what it was supposed to be. So it definitely took longer than we expected. But it's nothing that I can't recover from and be back 100 percent and be right."

The Knicks doctors no doubt got a look at his medical and did an MRI on the guy. The thing is that Noah has maintained his passing, pick setting and Rebounding prowess, which is pretty much all we need from him.

Per 36 Minutes 
Season
▼	Age	Tm  Pos	G   GS	MP    FG  FGA	FG%  2P	  2PA	2P%   FT   FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2015-16	30	CHI C	29  2	635   2.9 7.5	.383 2.9  7.5	.386  1.2  2.6	.489	4.9	9.5	14.5	6.2	1.0	1.6	2.9	4.4	7.0
2014-15	29	CHI C	67  67	2049  3.3 7.5	.445 3.3  7.5	.447  1.8  3.1	.603	3.8	7.5	11.3	5.5	0.8	1.3	2.2	3.6	8.5
2013-14	28	CHI C	80  80	2820  4.9 10.2	.475 4.9  10.2	.476  3.2  4.3	.737	3.6	7.9	11.5	5.5	1.3	1.5	2.5	3.1	12.9
2012-13	27	CHI C	66  64	2426  4.5 9.3	.481 4.5  9.3	.485  2.6  3.5	.751	3.9	7.0	10.9	3.9	1.2	2.1	2.6	2.7	11.6
Career			572 465	16848 4.3 8.8	.490 4.3  8.8	.492  2.7  3.8	.711	4.1	7.4	11.5	3.6	1.0	1.7	2.2	3.5	11.4

knicks1248 wrote:

“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”

This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left

Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.

I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.

Rondo-Dwade-Butler is a lot of talent. Their Yoots will determine the future.

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”

This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left

Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.

I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.

I'm not a fan of those signings but there's much less risk with a 2 year contract than a 4 year one.

Feel like that they are at worst on par with each other. Wade will be 35 and Noah 32 mid-season; Wade seems to base more of his talents on athleticism playing a position that demands it more. Also, at the tail end of Noah's contract there is no doubt in my mind that his role with the team would be diminished by the presence of KP playing same position.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”

This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left

Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.

I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.

I'm not a fan of those signings but there's much less risk with a 2 year contract than a 4 year one.

Feel like that they are at worst on par with each other. Wade will be 35 and Noah 32 mid-season; Wade seems to base more of his talents on athleticism playing a position that demands it more. Also, at the tail end of Noah's contract there is no doubt in my mind that his role with the team would be diminished by the presence of KP playing same position.

I'm saying the risk (worst possible outcome) is worse in our case. The possible reward is also higher if Noah stays healthy and productive all 4 years.

EnySpree wrote:Anybody care what Dolan has to say about basketball?

obviously not ... are they the same?

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”

This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left

Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.

I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.

Of all the risks Noah is the biggest in that regard, however there is a big difference and that is the role we are asking Noah to play here. Amare/McDyess were brought in to be alpha players and cornerstones. They were supposed to be the leaders on the court. Even with his large salary Noah is 100% a role player. He's the 5th scoring option in the starting lineup. He will certainly be relied on to defend the post and facilitate on offense. Ideally Noah is healthy and a big contributor for most of the year. If he isn't and we get half a season from him it would be great if he's healthy for a playoff run, but even if that doesn't happy losing Noah doesn't immediately mean the season is over. Losing McDyess mean the season was over in October.

I 100% understand why the Bulls would want to move away from Rose/Noah... plateau, get a different look, didn't want to financially commit, etc... but those are also very talented players and talent in the NBA is not easy to get. Knick fans certainly know that. Will Rondo/Wade/Lopez upgrade them from Rose/Noah/Gasol? Time will tell.

You make a good point about Noah's role on the Knicks vs the Bulls. Been posting what a big fan of Noah's Ive been since joining, but again it goes back to the length of the deal, while factoring in how that may or may not affect the quality of the team around KP down the road.

We've had many coaches in succession who threw caution to the wind when it came to keeping vets relatively healthy. I really hope Hornacek keeps the minutes of players with chronic injuries in check until a possible playoff run. Its what did in the 54 win season, dont want to see a repeat of that.

I believe Rondo respects Wade enough not to throw a wrench in the works if he doesn't get his way. Wade has more rings, more cred. Im guessing that if Wade has another strong season the Bulls will do well. Would be fun to meet them in the playoffs.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”

This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left

Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.

I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.

Of all the risks Noah is the biggest in that regard, however there is a big difference and that is the role we are asking Noah to play here. Amare/McDyess were brought in to be alpha players and cornerstones. They were supposed to be the leaders on the court. Even with his large salary Noah is 100% a role player. He's the 5th scoring option in the starting lineup. He will certainly be relied on to defend the post and facilitate on offense. Ideally Noah is healthy and a big contributor for most of the year. If he isn't and we get half a season from him it would be great if he's healthy for a playoff run, but even if that doesn't happy losing Noah doesn't immediately mean the season is over. Losing McDyess mean the season was over in October.

I 100% understand why the Bulls would want to move away from Rose/Noah... plateau, get a different look, didn't want to financially commit, etc... but those are also very talented players and talent in the NBA is not easy to get. Knick fans certainly know that. Will Rondo/Wade/Lopez upgrade them from Rose/Noah/Gasol? Time will tell.

You make a good point about Noah's role on the Knicks vs the Bulls. Been posting what a big fan of Noah's Ive been since joining, but again it goes back to the length of the deal, while factoring in how that may or may not affect the quality of the team around KP down the road.

We've had many coaches in succession who threw caution to the wind when it came to keeping vets relatively healthy. I really hope Hornacek keeps the minutes of players with chronic injuries in check until a possible playoff run. Its what did in the 54 win season, dont want to see a repeat of that.

I believe Rondo respects Wade enough not to throw a wrench in the works if he doesn't get his way. Wade has more rings, more cred. Im guessing that if Wade has another strong season the Bulls will do well. Would be fun to meet them in the playoffs.

The Knicks Medical and Training Staff actually did a good job last year in terms of keeping players relatively healthy.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA/status/721121153750851584

There are your Knicks, solidly in the bottom half of the league in man-games lost to injury.

But if I may apply causation to correlation here, I reckon New York's new-ish training staff had something to do with that chart up there. Phil Jackson shifted and added some personnel (junior, not the doctors) before the 2015-2016 season, and the organization's habits seemed to change in step. We saw way fewer vague post-game injury reports, way more sudden rest days and players annoyed with the trainers. Annoying players is a good thing! Constant appraisal of "healthy" players' statuses isn't new, but the doctors' level of influence -- a coaching staff basically beholden to their recommendations -- felt unprecedented for the Knicks. And -- again, thanks in part to luck -- it paid off: