Rose can still score with the best of them, too, especially against top competition. In the seven games against last year’s Eastern Conference All-Star point guards – Kyle Lowry, John Wall and Isaiah Thomas – he averaged 20 points per game on 50 percent shooting from the field (58-of-116).

He also dropped 29 points on 12-of-22 shooting against Stephen Curry, 28 points and seven assists on 11-of-19 shooting against Kyrie Irving, and 29 points, six assists and five rebounds on 12-of-25 shooting against Russell Westbrook.

As Rose can attest, guards like to show out against New York. But with Rose, the Knicks have an explosive guard who can return the favor.

Another part of the equation is having Brandon Jennings behind Rose.

However, he won’t have to carry the scoring load all on his shoulders. There’s no pressure for him to step in and completely take over because of the assets he has around him. Rose will most likely be a second or third option behind Anthony and, possibly, Porzingis.

With the addition of Brandon Jennings, he’ll have a viable backup that’ll allow him to rest without worry.

Rose ranked 15th in minutes per game among all qualifying point guards. Those minutes won’t increase next season with Jennings in the fold, which means he’ll be rested and fresh for the fourth quarter.

I think the addition of Jennings does help a TON in being able to keep Rose fresh in games and over the course of the season.

I'm very curious about Chasson Randle. He's a very similar PG to both Rose and Jennings but with much better 3pt shooting. If he can make the team and also get into the Rotation, I think this would be the best this team has been at PG in a LONG time.

nixluva wrote:There has been a lot of talk about what DRose can't do. I thought it would be nice to look at what he can bring to the Knicks when they need it most. The Knicks have been literally skewered by opposing PG's. This was a major reason this team lost a lot of close games over the last couple of season if not more. The addition of Rose helps to even that out for this team.

Rose can still score with the best of them, too, especially against top competition. In the seven games against last year’s Eastern Conference All-Star point guards – Kyle Lowry, John Wall and Isaiah Thomas – he averaged 20 points per game on 50 percent shooting from the field (58-of-116).

He also dropped 29 points on 12-of-22 shooting against Stephen Curry, 28 points and seven assists on 11-of-19 shooting against Kyrie Irving, and 29 points, six assists and five rebounds on 12-of-25 shooting against Russell Westbrook.

As Rose can attest, guards like to show out against New York. But with Rose, the Knicks have an explosive guard who can return the favor.

Another part of the equation is having Brandon Jennings behind Rose.

However, he won’t have to carry the scoring load all on his shoulders. There’s no pressure for him to step in and completely take over because of the assets he has around him. Rose will most likely be a second or third option behind Anthony and, possibly, Porzingis.

With the addition of Brandon Jennings, he’ll have a viable backup that’ll allow him to rest without worry.

Rose ranked 15th in minutes per game among all qualifying point guards. Those minutes won’t increase next season with Jennings in the fold, which means he’ll be rested and fresh for the fourth quarter.

http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/22/derrick-rose-will-star-year/

I think the addition of Jennings does help a TON in being able to keep Rose fresh in games and over the course of the season.

I'm very curious about Chasson Randle. He's a very similar PG to both Rose and Jennings but with much better 3pt shooting. If he can make the team and also get into the Rotation, I think this would be the best this team has been at PG in a LONG time.

What were the numbers for top point guards against Rose in the same game?
I do not concern with his offense but more with his defense, passing, and durability.
We have one year with him to find out so not a big deal ether way.

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:There has been a lot of talk about what DRose can't do. I thought it would be nice to look at what he can bring to the Knicks when they need it most. The Knicks have been literally skewered by opposing PG's. This was a major reason this team lost a lot of close games over the last couple of season if not more. The addition of Rose helps to even that out for this team.

Rose can still score with the best of them, too, especially against top competition. In the seven games against last year’s Eastern Conference All-Star point guards – Kyle Lowry, John Wall and Isaiah Thomas – he averaged 20 points per game on 50 percent shooting from the field (58-of-116).

He also dropped 29 points on 12-of-22 shooting against Stephen Curry, 28 points and seven assists on 11-of-19 shooting against Kyrie Irving, and 29 points, six assists and five rebounds on 12-of-25 shooting against Russell Westbrook.

As Rose can attest, guards like to show out against New York. But with Rose, the Knicks have an explosive guard who can return the favor.

Another part of the equation is having Brandon Jennings behind Rose.

However, he won’t have to carry the scoring load all on his shoulders. There’s no pressure for him to step in and completely take over because of the assets he has around him. Rose will most likely be a second or third option behind Anthony and, possibly, Porzingis.

With the addition of Brandon Jennings, he’ll have a viable backup that’ll allow him to rest without worry.

Rose ranked 15th in minutes per game among all qualifying point guards. Those minutes won’t increase next season with Jennings in the fold, which means he’ll be rested and fresh for the fourth quarter.

http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/22/derrick-rose-will-star-year/

I think the addition of Jennings does help a TON in being able to keep Rose fresh in games and over the course of the season.

I'm very curious about Chasson Randle. He's a very similar PG to both Rose and Jennings but with much better 3pt shooting. If he can make the team and also get into the Rotation, I think this would be the best this team has been at PG in a LONG time.

What were the numbers for top point guards against Rose in the same game?
I do not concern with his offense but more with his defense, passing, and durability.
We have one year with him to find out so not a big deal ether way.

You can say you don't care about Rose's offense but that it the very reason we got him. We didn't bring him in for his defense!!! If he is going to be as productive as that against top PG's that is going to help this team win. We haven't have a PG that could play at that level.

ahh now i really get it: your philosophy is profoundly flawed. the sort of production you are asking for or expecting from rose is the road to ruin for the knicks.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:There has been a lot of talk about what DRose can't do. I thought it would be nice to look at what he can bring to the Knicks when they need it most. The Knicks have been literally skewered by opposing PG's. This was a major reason this team lost a lot of close games over the last couple of season if not more. The addition of Rose helps to even that out for this team.

Rose can still score with the best of them, too, especially against top competition. In the seven games against last year’s Eastern Conference All-Star point guards – Kyle Lowry, John Wall and Isaiah Thomas – he averaged 20 points per game on 50 percent shooting from the field (58-of-116).

He also dropped 29 points on 12-of-22 shooting against Stephen Curry, 28 points and seven assists on 11-of-19 shooting against Kyrie Irving, and 29 points, six assists and five rebounds on 12-of-25 shooting against Russell Westbrook.

As Rose can attest, guards like to show out against New York. But with Rose, the Knicks have an explosive guard who can return the favor.

Another part of the equation is having Brandon Jennings behind Rose.

However, he won’t have to carry the scoring load all on his shoulders. There’s no pressure for him to step in and completely take over because of the assets he has around him. Rose will most likely be a second or third option behind Anthony and, possibly, Porzingis.

With the addition of Brandon Jennings, he’ll have a viable backup that’ll allow him to rest without worry.

Rose ranked 15th in minutes per game among all qualifying point guards. Those minutes won’t increase next season with Jennings in the fold, which means he’ll be rested and fresh for the fourth quarter.

http://dailyknicks.com/2016/07/22/derrick-rose-will-star-year/

I think the addition of Jennings does help a TON in being able to keep Rose fresh in games and over the course of the season.

I'm very curious about Chasson Randle. He's a very similar PG to both Rose and Jennings but with much better 3pt shooting. If he can make the team and also get into the Rotation, I think this would be the best this team has been at PG in a LONG time.

What were the numbers for top point guards against Rose in the same game?
I do not concern with his offense but more with his defense, passing, and durability.
We have one year with him to find out so not a big deal ether way.

You can say you don't care about Rose's offense but that it the very reason we got him. We didn't bring him in for his defense!!! If he is going to be as productive as that against top PG's that is going to help this team win. We haven't have a PG that could play at that level.

ahh now i really get it: your philosophy is profoundly flawed. the sort of production you are asking for or expecting from rose is the road to ruin for the knicks.

We had scoring PG in Marbs. And he was pretty durable player.
Not to mush defender and distributor and of course had issues. He never was cut in 4-some in his track however.
Hopefully Rose will be a better scoring PG experience for us...

hhhhmmm thats alarming.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:does this mean that he was even more disgustingly abysmal against non top 7 PG's?

hhhhmmm thats alarming.

Yeah that's right keep pretending that Rose didn't have a poor start due to his Orbital Surgery. You are really something. Keep pretending Rose didn't show improvement as the season moved along. What we're all hoping for is Rose being in the best shape in years and with his best skill level in years.

Yeah ... I'm hoping for that too, I am just not betting on it. You can't force me to, can you? No need to throat stuff.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:does this mean that he was even more disgustingly abysmal against non top 7 PG's?

hhhhmmm thats alarming.

Yeah that's right keep pretending that Rose didn't have a poor start due to his Orbital Surgery. You are really something. Keep pretending Rose didn't show improvement as the season moved along. What we're all hoping for is Rose being in the best shape in years and with his best skill level in years.

Yeah ... I'm hoping for that too, I am just not betting on it. You can't force me to, can you? No need to throat stuff.

No one is asking you to bet on it but it's more likely than not Rose comes into his contract year highly motivated and in the best shape. Let's all pray Rose stays healthy and gives us his best. Basically the same wish for the entire team.

He will definitely be highly motivated and in the best shape possible. That was never my question. I just don't think that he will stay healthy and/or be a good player.

I would love to be wrong obviously.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:does this mean that he was even more disgustingly abysmal against non top 7 PG's?

hhhhmmm thats alarming.

Yeah that's right keep pretending that Rose didn't have a poor start due to his Orbital Surgery. You are really something. Keep pretending Rose didn't show improvement as the season moved along. What we're all hoping for is Rose being in the best shape in years and with his best skill level in years.

Yeah ... I'm hoping for that too, I am just not betting on it. You can't force me to, can you? No need to throat stuff.

No one is asking you to bet on it but it's more likely than not Rose comes into his contract year highly motivated and in the best shape. Let's all pray Rose stays healthy and gives us his best. Basically the same wish for the entire team.

He will definitely be highly motivated and in the best shape possible. That was never my question. I just don't think that he will stay healthy and/or be a good player.

I would love to be wrong obviously.

so when you say Rose is not a good player how do you quantify that? There are 350(ish) NBA players... would you say Rose is in the bottom 50? Bottom 100? Just curious where you put him among his peers... I know it was very tough for you to admit Rose *might* be better than Jose, although I am pretty sure you refused to agree the Knicks upgraded PG. I could be wrong though... but I am reading more of the same from you here.

Rose is of course an upgrade as he is top 100 player and Jose is bottom 100.
But bbal is a team game so PG grade is more of a team grade.
Rose success or failure will be heavily influences with how new coach and new team will come together and execute.
Either way he is not a break or make piece for this Knicks team. Interesting but mostly irrelevant for Knicks future.

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:does this mean that he was even more disgustingly abysmal against non top 7 PG's?

hhhhmmm thats alarming.

Yeah that's right keep pretending that Rose didn't have a poor start due to his Orbital Surgery. You are really something. Keep pretending Rose didn't show improvement as the season moved along. What we're all hoping for is Rose being in the best shape in years and with his best skill level in years.

Yeah ... I'm hoping for that too, I am just not betting on it. You can't force me to, can you? No need to throat stuff.

No one is asking you to bet on it but it's more likely than not Rose comes into his contract year highly motivated and in the best shape. Let's all pray Rose stays healthy and gives us his best. Basically the same wish for the entire team.

He will definitely be highly motivated and in the best shape possible. That was never my question. I just don't think that he will stay healthy and/or be a good player.

I would love to be wrong obviously.

so when you say Rose is not a good player how do you quantify that? There are 350(ish) NBA players... would you say Rose is in the bottom 50? Bottom 100? Just curious where you put him among his peers... I know it was very tough for you to admit Rose *might* be better than Jose, although I am pretty sure you refused to agree the Knicks upgraded PG. I could be wrong though... but I am reading more of the same from you here.

Rose is of course an upgrade as he is top 100 player and Jose is bottom 100.
But bbal is a team game so PG grade is more of a team grade.
Rose success or failure will be heavily influences with how new coach and new team will come together and execute.
Either way he is not a break or make piece for this Knicks team. Interesting but mostly irrelevant for Knicks future.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:does this mean that he was even more disgustingly abysmal against non top 7 PG's?

hhhhmmm thats alarming.

Yeah that's right keep pretending that Rose didn't have a poor start due to his Orbital Surgery. You are really something. Keep pretending Rose didn't show improvement as the season moved along. What we're all hoping for is Rose being in the best shape in years and with his best skill level in years.

Yeah ... I'm hoping for that too, I am just not betting on it. You can't force me to, can you? No need to throat stuff.

No one is asking you to bet on it but it's more likely than not Rose comes into his contract year highly motivated and in the best shape. Let's all pray Rose stays healthy and gives us his best. Basically the same wish for the entire team.

He will definitely be highly motivated and in the best shape possible. That was never my question. I just don't think that he will stay healthy and/or be a good player.

I would love to be wrong obviously.

so when you say Rose is not a good player how do you quantify that? There are 350(ish) NBA players... would you say Rose is in the bottom 50? Bottom 100? Just curious where you put him among his peers... I know it was very tough for you to admit Rose *might* be better than Jose, although I am pretty sure you refused to agree the Knicks upgraded PG. I could be wrong though... but I am reading more of the same from you here.

here is what the experts felt about how much we improved:

http://www.sportsline.com/insiders/25625086/how-much-better-are-the-knicks-with-rose-and-noah/

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:does this mean that he was even more disgustingly abysmal against non top 7 PG's?

hhhhmmm thats alarming.

Yeah that's right keep pretending that Rose didn't have a poor start due to his Orbital Surgery. You are really something. Keep pretending Rose didn't show improvement as the season moved along. What we're all hoping for is Rose being in the best shape in years and with his best skill level in years.

Yeah ... I'm hoping for that too, I am just not betting on it. You can't force me to, can you? No need to throat stuff.

No one is asking you to bet on it but it's more likely than not Rose comes into his contract year highly motivated and in the best shape. Let's all pray Rose stays healthy and gives us his best. Basically the same wish for the entire team.

He will definitely be highly motivated and in the best shape possible. That was never my question. I just don't think that he will stay healthy and/or be a good player.

I would love to be wrong obviously.

so when you say Rose is not a good player how do you quantify that? There are 350(ish) NBA players... would you say Rose is in the bottom 50? Bottom 100? Just curious where you put him among his peers... I know it was very tough for you to admit Rose *might* be better than Jose, although I am pretty sure you refused to agree the Knicks upgraded PG. I could be wrong though... but I am reading more of the same from you here.

Rose is of course an upgrade as he is top 100 player and Jose is bottom 100.
But bbal is a team game so PG grade is more of a team grade.
Rose success or failure will be heavily influences with how new coach and new team will come together and execute.
Either way he is not a break or make piece for this Knicks team. Interesting but mostly irrelevant for Knicks future.

What In the world are you talking about, how can the biggest part of the offense that requires cutting and penetrating, be irrelevant. we have a coach that elevated 3 pg's game on the same team at the same time, and you some how don't think acquiring rose was not a must.

There's a hand full of players in the NBA that play more the 70 games on a average, and less then that when it comes to Pg's. So what sense are you really making