Need training camp to start already.

HofstraBBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:Rose and Lee in the backcourt is FAR from tremendous. If Noah is old Noah which I assume that chances are he won't be then the front court is really solid.

Would say it's a big improvement over Jose and Afflalo? Feel Rose and Lee add another 15 wins for us. Also excited about the new bench and the potential to have a solid young base of players going forward.

15 wins? No freakin way. I think our bench may be our weakest spot.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm very interested in Holiday. He's 6-6 with a 7-1 wingspan and he wants to defend. Imagine him out there with LT Ndour and KP!!! That's a lot of quickness and length defensively. Jennings would be supported defensively.

yup holiday was a brilliant move. Phil is a genius !!!

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:Rose and Lee in the backcourt is FAR from tremendous. If Noah is old Noah which I assume that chances are he won't be then the front court is really solid.

Would say it's a big improvement over Jose and Afflalo? Feel Rose and Lee add another 15 wins for us. Also excited about the new bench and the potential to have a solid young base of players going forward.

15 wins? No freakin way. I think our bench may be our weakest spot.

Who was our bench last year? DWill was the only one who played with small samplings of consistency. Ok, so I have them for 47 wins. You? 20-25?

That's the bottom line for this team.

If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade,
then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.

Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as
long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.

But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous
transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his"
points.

I'm waiting to see that . . .

Malcolm wrote:I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the
Triangle.

That's the bottom line for this team.

Malcolm wrote:If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade,
then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.

Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as
long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.

Learn the seven dimensions of a sound offense
By Phil Jackson and Tex Winter
Seven Principles of the Sound Offense

An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions.
1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.
>snip<
Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

Malcolm wrote:But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous
transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his"
points.

I'm waiting to see that . . .

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Malcolm wrote:I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the
Triangle.

That's the bottom line for this team.

I don't know why this keeps coming up, but Rose played some Triangle under Thibs in Chicago! He most certainly can run Pinch Post Dribble Handoffs as he has many times with Noah. People talk as if these basic concepts are going to be foreign to Rose. Rose doesn't play off the ball a lot but he has done it before.

Malcolm wrote:If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade,
then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.

Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as
long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.

Just so we're clear, The Triangle was ALWAYS a Transition 1st offense. That really isn't a modification.

Learn the seven dimensions of a sound offense
By Phil Jackson and Tex Winter
Seven Principles of the Sound Offense

An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions.
1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.
>snip<
Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

Malcolm wrote:But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous
transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his"
points.

I'm waiting to see that . . .

Melo can score PERIOD. He doesn't need Triangle or anything in particular to score. He proved this in Denver, under MDA and Woodson and on the Olympic Team. He'll be just fine in Hornacek's schemes.

I tell you Nixluva if you weren't here I don't know what this forum would be like. Guys want to be ignorant. Guys want to talk negative just because that's the real reason they follow the team. The negativity is their true passion.

For me all that matters is right now and the future. Can't change the past. This group is much more well thought out in addition to the improvement in talent. There are fewer holes IMO. The top 7 players are all solid IMO. The bench is full of unproven talent but they do have talent.

What caught my attention was Hornacek saying he wasn't going to use a Platoon system. That has always bothered me. I prefer a rotation that tries to make sure you always have some of your starting quality players on the floor. With a solid top 7 players Hornacek should have no trouble being able to do that. When you have less talent then it becomes much harder to set rotations that are effective. I think we have just enough talent to make it work.

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Malcolm wrote:I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the
Triangle.

That's the bottom line for this team.

I don't know why this keeps coming up, but Rose played some Triangle under Thibs in Chicago! He most certainly can run Pinch Post Dribble Handoffs as he has many times with Noah. People talk as if these basic concepts are going to be foreign to Rose. Rose doesn't play off the ball a lot but he has done it before.

Malcolm wrote:If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade,
then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.

Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as
long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.

Just so we're clear, The Triangle was ALWAYS a Transition 1st offense. That really isn't a modification.

Learn the seven dimensions of a sound offense
By Phil Jackson and Tex Winter
Seven Principles of the Sound Offense

An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions.
1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.
>snip<
Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

Malcolm wrote:But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous
transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his"
points.

I'm waiting to see that . . .

Melo can score PERIOD. He doesn't need Triangle or anything in particular to score. He proved this in Denver, under MDA and Woodson and on the Olympic Team. He'll be just fine in Hornacek's schemes.

I tell you Nixluva if you weren't here I don't know what this forum would be like. Guys want to be ignorant. Guys want to talk negative just because that's the real reason they follow the team. The negativity is their true passion.

For me all that matters is right now and the future. Can't change the past. This group is much more well thought out in addition to the improvement in talent. There are fewer holes IMO. The top 7 players are all solid IMO. The bench is full of unproven talent but they do have talent.

What caught my attention was Hornacek saying he wasn't going to use a Platoon system. That has always bothered me. I prefer a rotation that tries to make sure you always have some of your starting quality players on the floor. With a solid top 7 players Hornacek should have no trouble being able to do that. When you have less talent then it becomes much harder to set rotations that are effective. I think we have just enough talent to make it work.

Every year, I am optimistic about this team.....But thats just me being a fan and hoping for the best (glass half full). But this year, there's no need to stretch the true. We actually have a solid 8 this year, if you count at least 1 bench player out side of the 7, will step up. Could be KOQ, Willy or Mindy, who's already putting in volunteer work. With a solid 8, you will always have a solid team on the floor....

1. Melo
2. KP
3. Rose
4. Noah
5. Lee
6. Jennings
7. Thomas
8. K O'Quinn, Mindy, Willy

The bench is not a weakness, when surrounded by 8 solid NBA players, stars and potential super star (KP).