GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:She never gives interviews--she has no policies. Its come to the point that her game plan is to bash Trump--thats it. Trump is right--exactly what has a democratic President done for African American or Hispanic sin the last 20 years---nothing. If African American blindly vote for Clinton because they are following others they are simply following the same path. If the same path dont complain about the outcome. I think Trump is such a narcissist that he wants to be known as someone who did a good job. This is the time AA and Hispanic leaders should go talk with Trump--because I think the guy will cut deals with minorities to help them and expand the job base. Despite some stupid rhetoric--I think he wanst to do a good job for everyone and its up to some of our minorities over the next 2 months to really think--do I want more of the same or WORSE--or maybe should we try a guy who will sincerely try to help us? Educated wealthy whites dont like Trump--they like status quo--wealthy educated whites who control the media and many jobs--those are the people who right now hold the election in their hands UNLESS minorities stop and think. If African Americans and His panics change their thought process and they have time--I think this guy will do much better for them. And we want to see improvement in the uS--not just for wealthy whites.

Briggs, Trump has openly courted white nationalists, they are making robocalls for him. Trump's deals almost always work great for Trump and lousy for everyone else. Trump vs. Clinton should be called "Election 2016, Pick your Poison."

Real talk: If you ask me to choose between the candidate that mainstream black leaders are rallying behind, or the candidate that fringe white nationalists are rallying behind... come on, son. What you think I'm gonna do?

Now I won't call Trump a racist but he plays footsie with racists, he plays footsie with birthers. A true believer maybe not, but any American his age who pretends he doesn't know what David Duke is about is either an idiot or a liar. Charleston was a year ago... it's a disgrace. He's in our corner?

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

I disagree that Trump is more dangerous than Hillary. Most of the problems this country faces began or were accelerated during the Clinton presidency. Policies which Secretary Clinton fully supported at the time. Someone who took a very visible role in her husband's administration. No traditional first lady was she (yoda)

Even though she has reversed herself on the TPP, the head of her campaign and her pick for VP are ardent supporters for this trade pack. If it passes the Supreme Court will take a back seat to 3 corporate lawyers who will decide any lawsuit brought by a corporation against the US, and the US govt will not have any recourse. Its effectively ceding control of our govt to multi-national corporations. Trump is against the trade pack, Clinton I guarantee will support it again when elected. They both present horrific problems for this country if elected.

Nalod wrote:Nate
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-as-the-race-tightens-dont-assume-the-electoral-college-will-save-clinton/
CT for Trump??

Pshaw to your advanced stats! BRIGGS is using the lawn sign test. It's the eye test of politics.

GustavBahler wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:She never gives interviews--she has no policies. Its come to the point that her game plan is to bash Trump--thats it. Trump is right--exactly what has a democratic President done for African American or Hispanic sin the last 20 years---nothing. If African American blindly vote for Clinton because they are following others they are simply following the same path. If the same path dont complain about the outcome. I think Trump is such a narcissist that he wants to be known as someone who did a good job. This is the time AA and Hispanic leaders should go talk with Trump--because I think the guy will cut deals with minorities to help them and expand the job base. Despite some stupid rhetoric--I think he wanst to do a good job for everyone and its up to some of our minorities over the next 2 months to really think--do I want more of the same or WORSE--or maybe should we try a guy who will sincerely try to help us? Educated wealthy whites dont like Trump--they like status quo--wealthy educated whites who control the media and many jobs--those are the people who right now hold the election in their hands UNLESS minorities stop and think. If African Americans and His panics change their thought process and they have time--I think this guy will do much better for them. And we want to see improvement in the uS--not just for wealthy whites.

Briggs, Trump has openly courted white nationalists, they are making robocalls for him. Trump's deals almost always work great for Trump and lousy for everyone else. Trump vs. Clinton should be called "Election 2016, Pick your Poison."

Real talk: If you ask me to choose between the candidate that mainstream black leaders are rallying behind, or the candidate that fringe white nationalists are rallying behind... come on, son. What you think I'm gonna do?

Now I won't call Trump a racist but he plays footsie with racists, he plays footsie with birthers. A true believer maybe not, but any American his age who pretends he doesn't know what David Duke is about is either an idiot or a liar. Charleston was a year ago... it's a disgrace. He's in our corner?

I dont blame you under the circumstances. I do reject the notion that Hillary is a safer bet for this country. Different set of problems.

In regards to "what do minorities have to lose" — free trade geopolitics isn't as scary to me as a Trump administration with Sheriff Joe and Giuliani in the cabinet, or white Christian nationalism on the ascendant in our politics.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

"No, Thank you" might be a cop out. Particularly, since I know that a Plurality is good enough to win. So, maybe I vote Johnson (a little better than "meatball") as he has real ideas, but no chance to win. As far as I am concerned, he just deserves a spot in the debates. Not likely to happen as they change the measure by which he gets included.

You can say "vote for democracy", but don't those words ring hollow given what we saw regarding the establishment forcing our hands in the DNC? Bernie never had a chance.

Neither does Johnson.

Do we?

I'm 100% convinced that it's better to have Hillary in there than Trump. Just imagine the Supreme Court justices and lower court justices that Trump and the Republicans would put in there. If you vote for Johnson you are risking a Trump Supreme Court and a shift way to the RIGHT! Don't do it.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

"No, Thank you" might be a cop out. Particularly, since I know that a Plurality is good enough to win. So, maybe I vote Johnson (a little better than "meatball") as he has real ideas, but no chance to win. As far as I am concerned, he just deserves a spot in the debates. Not likely to happen as they change the measure by which he gets included.

You can say "vote for democracy", but don't those words ring hollow given what we saw regarding the establishment forcing our hands in the DNC? Bernie never had a chance.

Neither does Johnson.

Do we?

DrAlphaeus wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:She never gives interviews--she has no policies. Its come to the point that her game plan is to bash Trump--thats it. Trump is right--exactly what has a democratic President done for African American or Hispanic sin the last 20 years---nothing. If African American blindly vote for Clinton because they are following others they are simply following the same path. If the same path dont complain about the outcome. I think Trump is such a narcissist that he wants to be known as someone who did a good job. This is the time AA and Hispanic leaders should go talk with Trump--because I think the guy will cut deals with minorities to help them and expand the job base. Despite some stupid rhetoric--I think he wanst to do a good job for everyone and its up to some of our minorities over the next 2 months to really think--do I want more of the same or WORSE--or maybe should we try a guy who will sincerely try to help us? Educated wealthy whites dont like Trump--they like status quo--wealthy educated whites who control the media and many jobs--those are the people who right now hold the election in their hands UNLESS minorities stop and think. If African Americans and His panics change their thought process and they have time--I think this guy will do much better for them. And we want to see improvement in the uS--not just for wealthy whites.

Briggs, Trump has openly courted white nationalists, they are making robocalls for him. Trump's deals almost always work great for Trump and lousy for everyone else. Trump vs. Clinton should be called "Election 2016, Pick your Poison."

Real talk: If you ask me to choose between the candidate that mainstream black leaders are rallying behind, or the candidate that fringe white nationalists are rallying behind... come on, son. What you think I'm gonna do?

Now I won't call Trump a racist but he plays footsie with racists, he plays footsie with birthers. A true believer maybe not, but any American his age who pretends he doesn't know what David Duke is about is either an idiot or a liar. Charleston was a year ago... it's a disgrace. He's in our corner?

I dont blame you under the circumstances. I do reject the notion that Hillary is a safer bet for this country. Different set of problems.

In regards to "what do minorities have to lose" — free trade geopolitics isn't as scary to me as a Trump administration with Sheriff Joe and Giuliani in the cabinet, or white Christian nationalism on the ascendant in our politics.

Yup, its why I said it was understandable. Minority groups in this country have more immediate concerns with Trump. Make no mistake however, these trade pacts will hit minorities first, and hit them hardest. Its why I dont like the outcome either way.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

"No, Thank you" might be a cop out. Particularly, since I know that a Plurality is good enough to win. So, maybe I vote Johnson (a little better than "meatball") as he has real ideas, but no chance to win. As far as I am concerned, he just deserves a spot in the debates. Not likely to happen as they change the measure by which he gets included.

You can say "vote for democracy", but don't those words ring hollow given what we saw regarding the establishment forcing our hands in the DNC? Bernie never had a chance.

Neither does Johnson.

Do we?

Yeah that's true and it stinks. If the establishment had been pushing for Bernie as hard as they did for Hillary, he would be the nominee right now. I wish Joe Biden had run. He'd probably be up by 15 points in the polls over Trump.

I'm far from a Clinton supporter...This is an important election given the Sumpreme Court..So Hilary over Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday..Bernie lost me because none of his proposals were possible..He never said how he would pay for them...So if he was peddling 4 mega spending projects without any possible way of paying for it, then what was he really going to do as President??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-the-republican-creation-of-the-north-carolina-voting-bill-dubbed-the-monster-law/2016/09/01/79162398-6adf-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html?tid=sm_tw

It's laws like these that help answer the question "what do we have to lose." I could never vote republican.
The NC voter id law was overturned and rejected for Supreme court hearing.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

I disagree that Trump is more dangerous than Hillary. Most of the problems this country faces began or were accelerated during the Clinton presidency. Policies which Secretary Clinton fully supported at the time. Someone who took a very visible role in her husband's administration. No traditional first lady was she (yoda)

Even though she has reversed herself on the TPP, the head of her campaign and her pick for VP are ardent supporters for this trade pack. If it passes the Supreme Court will take a back seat to 3 corporate lawyers who will decide any lawsuit brought by a corporation against the US, and the US govt will not have any recourse. Its effectively ceding control of our govt to multi-national corporations. Trump is against the trade pack, Clinton I guarantee will support it again when elected. They both present horrific problems for this country if elected.

Not even getting into the specifics of which candidate is against what.

You do understand trade agreements are not passed without congressional approval, correct?

JesseDark wrote:Republican party has to make a legitimate effort to gain the black vote not try to suppress it as the did in North Carolina.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-the-republican-creation-of-the-north-carolina-voting-bill-dubbed-the-monster-law/2016/09/01/79162398-6adf-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html?tid=sm_tw

It's laws like these that help answer the question "what do we have to lose." I could never vote republican.
The NC voter id law was overturned and rejected for Supreme court hearing.

I have middle of the road Republicans that are voting for Hillary to preserve the democracy from turning too far!!! This shyt in N.C. is over the top. If Scalia was still alive he likey votes with uphold the bill.
That our standing president gets blocked by republican majority ANY NOMINEE for the supreme court in the manner to which they are is insane.